swamy,

Thank you for giving the link. Yes. I am aware about the thread indicated, since I was also a participant. That thread, did not discuss on Goloka to be supreme to Vaikuntam. It mention that Goloka is at north of Vaikuntam and at the same height from satya loka.

For Ramanuja devotees, Parama Padham is Achutha Divya Dhama Achutha is Supreme BhagavAn Sri Krishna, Dhama means the residence Divya is holy, So the Achutha Divya Dhama means “the place where Sri Krishna BhagavAn Happily resides”. That is none other than Swami NamAlwar.From ElayaAlwar

But there is no mention of Goloka in the above response.

Since, I got a verse which indicate Goloka to be above Vaikuntam and supreme, I have started this thread.

Brahma Samhita and Brahma Vaivart Puran are the main texts quoted in this regard. ISKCON says that Krishna is supreme and has a separate abode – Goloka, which is protected by Vasudevan whose adobe is vaikuntam. They state that even Maha Lakshmi wants to serve at Goloka. They say that Krishna alone is “aadhi purushan” and others (including Narayanan, Vasudevan, Maha Vishnu and others) are created by Krishna and serves Krishna. I think, neither Ramanujar not Shankarar gave any commentary on these two texts, whether these texts were not available to them or they did not consider?.

There are some reports in the internet that Brahma Samhita was edited, but not sure about the authenticity.

Though, it is Vaishnava sampradayam, gives a different look than Ramanujar’s sampradayan on Him and His adobe, different from the supremacy of vaikuntam as indicated in vaikunta gadiyam.

I would like to indicate that it is not only the sampradayam which gives varied detail but also the scriptures itself, giving various information on various beliefs leading to different sampradayms. That was the reason for initiating the thread

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/aid-to-understand-spiritual-philosophy-correctly/

on structuring of these texts, topic wise and providing the detail to avoid paving way for debate on Creator itself. Scriptures giving unique details about the supremacy is required. Based on one’s inclination and interest, one can decide the route.

Though crossing the viraja river is important, one should also have a clear detail through the texts about the Supreme, since it will help in deciding one, where and whom to serve beyond viraja.

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

Thanks for the explanations swamy.
Yes it is tough to understand the details of spiritual world from being here..the differences in scriptures could be due to many possibilities..
1.difference in the perspective..
2. May be different scriptures refer to the same place with different names
3.may be different places but actually they cannot be compared materially

I think we have discussed earlier as well that differences in scriptures are due to different natures of infinite number of souls..so one size does not fit all.
So we will perhaps never have a black and white single standard script..closest universal ones are Bhagavat Geeta and Thirukkural..

And also regarding in which planet to serve.. I think since we are the property of the Lord, He will perhaps decide which is most suitable place for us.?.so I am not sure if our desire plays a role in that..not sure swami.

Adiyen

It is the efforts and devotional worshipping of the respective deity plays a role. This is clearly stated in Gita, whoever worships which ever be it – Brahmam / demi god / deity / pitrus, he will reach him / Him.  Hence, when one have clear information, he can select that path and proceed to reach him / Him, of his choice / desire.

Srimate Raamanujaye namaha,

Swamy, the section of Geeta referred actually talks about one spiritual abode and the rest other options discussed are within material world.
But the topic you have raised is about different parts of spiritual world.
So i think they are not exactly the same.

Adiyen

swamy,

I understand that Vaikuntam has different portions with abodes for Rama etc., But do not how many such places are there. Their devotees serve them at such abodes. I posted the above, keeping this in mind.

You have had samasrayanam and taken Sri Ramanuja sambandham. Once you have chosen this, kindly follow the teachings of your acharya, which is a unified text. There are no two opinions given by Swamy Ramanuja. Bhagwan has always done His duty and that is why we have had pancha samskaram. Now, it is our duty is – just follow our Acharya. Pls also read what Koorathazhwan’s father advised him – mentioned in Tirumalai vyakhyanam song 7

Resp sri. U.Ve. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy,

Thank you for the reply. I am moved by this.

My reading and posting on other sampradayam is nothing to do with my determination on following the sampradayam which I have taken up, willingly. That is based on occasional reading and only for information. I am following my regular duties. 

Thank you for your comment on unified text. I have no doubt about the siddhanta of Ramanujar. I am given the opportunity to read / listen several texts of Vaishnava sampradayam in a very short duration, by Him, which I missed in my earlier part of my life.

I could not get the details on “Koorathazhwan’s father advise – mentioned in Tirumalai vyakhyanam song 7”, in internet, I will attempt again. Thank you for your valuable suggestion.

adiyen

Swamy,

I would like to explain, to clear the doubt, why thought on unified text arose in me.

The spiritual interest was kindled in me in my late 20’s and was performing puja, but not as per Vaishnava sampradaym, though I had some exposure on ithihasas and Geetha. Kindled by the deep interest with emotion and from my depth of heart, I prayed Him (without name), to the Supreme to guide for the supreme spiritual goal. I should say, with divine guidance (through an incident), I took up Raja yoga. Besides the peaceful and undisturbed mind, had experiences, body /  mental / financial sufferings and could not continue further. Presently, understood that the method leads to kaivalyam. Now, I took up Ramanujar sampradayam.  

The idea on unified text arose in me because :  I left the guidance to supreme spiritual goal to Him. I was guided towards kaivalyam, rather than Ramanujar sampradayam at the very first instance. Is that because of practical difficulties associated in following during (work) service? Or any other thing. From my experience, arose this point of unified text “for other spiritual seekers” who read the scriptures and follow. It is nothing to do with my following the sampradayam.

Swamy, a smartha or other are filled with various beliefs and hence still has to explore and believe to know that an unified text exists in this sampradayam. One’s belief will be strengthened, if it is available in the general scripture itself. Hence, at the first instance itself one can know, decide and follow as per his interest. This is my point of (impractical) view.

I am not contradicting or arguing, but explaining why such a thought arose in me.

He is the best Judge. I decided to leave this exploration with this. I once again request you not to consider this as argument.

Request to excuse if there is any mistake in my views.

adiyen