Does the Bane (shapam) really work the way it’s intended?

Updated on August 29, 2024 in General
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Adiyen simply cannot understand one thing.

Boon is a bonus
Bane is not a blessing

That should have been the concept.

1. The Dwara Palaka got Shapam from Sanaka Sanath Kumara Maharishis. While Hiranyakshan and Hiranyakashipu lived a life of king all the way long. Enjoyed every bit of their life but created suffering for all others except themselves.

Just like cinema police comes in last scene of a movie Vishnu comes at the end takes their life.

Question is bane is to technically create suffering for the wrong doers but here suffering is for people and not the wrong doer?

2. According to Scriptures aif one gives Shapam his Tapas should come down. While for Durvasa Maharishi it’s exactly the opposite. The more he gives Shapam the more tapas power he gets? Isn’t this anti-vedic / exceptional condition?

A person who meditates for positivity engages in negativity to achieve positive effect?

Krishna says in BhAgavath Gita to Arjuna “Hey Arjun people do mistakes but comes to me only for good result ”

Does Shapam really work the way it’s intended or is it one more act of the grand play of Vishnu which is indescribable?

Dasanudasan

 
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah:

Let adiyen explain about the case of Durvasa Muni. The case of Durvasa Muni is indeed unique and intriguing within the scriptural traditions, especially when considering the general principle that when a sage or ascetic grants a boon or issues a curse (śāpa), the power of their tapas (austerity) usually diminishes. However, in the case of Durvasa Muni, the opposite seems to occur—his strength and power appear to increase after he curses someone. This apparent anomaly can be understood in several ways based on scriptural interpretations and insights into Durvasa Muni’s nature:

1. **Nature of Durvasa Muni’s Tapas:**
– Durvasa Muni is known for his intense tapas (austerity) and his highly irascible nature. His anger is almost instantaneous and fierce, which is a direct manifestation of the energy accumulated through his tapas. The more he taps into this energy through acts like cursing, the more it seems to replenish or even increase. This can be compared to a reservoir that overflows the more it is drawn from, due to the sheer volume of stored energy.

2. **Divine Sanction and Role:**
– Durvasa Muni is regarded as an incarnation of Lord Shiva or a partial manifestation (amsha) of His anger. This divine origin could mean that his curses are not just personal outbursts but are divinely sanctioned by Sriman Narayana, with a purpose in the cosmic order. Therefore, the curses he issues may be part of a larger divine plan, and instead of diminishing his tapas, they could align him more closely with his divine role, thereby increasing his spiritual potency.

3. **Durvasa’s Unique Nature:**
– Scriptures often portray Durvasa as a unique rishi whose temperament and behavior do not conform to the usual expectations of ascetics. His quick temper is not merely a flaw but a significant aspect of his personality, designed to teach important lessons to others. His tapas is thus of a different quality, where his anger and the resulting curses are integral to his spiritual practice and not a drain on his energy.

4. **The Principle of Divine Will:**
– Another perspective is that Durvasa Muni’s actions are directly influenced by the divine will of Sriman Narayana. In cases where his curses serve a higher purpose or are part of the divine will, his power might not decrease but rather increase, as he is acting in accordance with a divine mandate of Sriman Narayana. This aligns with the belief that the strength of one’s tapas is not just about personal accumulation but also about one’s alignment with divine principles.

Now reg. the question of Jaya/Vijaya’s material enjoyment, it is important to differentiate Kārya Vaikuntha from Nitya Vaikuntha. Nitya Vaikuntha is the eternal, changeless realm, where the Lord eternally resides, and where there is no influence of time, space, or material elements. Kārya Vaikuntha, on the other hand, is a functional, temporary projection for specific divine purposes. Kārya Vaikuntha illustrates the Lord’s compassionate nature in creating a space that connects the divine with the material, allowing His divine will to manifest and interact within the material world.

Jaya and Vijaya, the gatekeepers of Karya Vaikuntha, were cursed by the Four Kumaras to be born on Earth as demons, which led to their incarnations as Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu, Ravana and Kumbhakarna, and Shishupala and Dantavakra. Despite their demonic roles, they experienced significant material power and enjoyment during their earthly lives. This apparent paradox can be understood as follows.

Jaya and Vijaya were not ordinary souls but servants of Sriman Narayana. Their incarnations as demons were part of a divine plan to fulfill the Lord’s lila (divine play). The material enjoyments and power they experienced were essential for the roles they were meant to play in challenging and ultimately showcasing the supremacy of the Lord. Their eventual liberation by Sriman Narayana was predetermined, and their lives were orchestrated to serve His divine purpose.

Now in the case of Jaya / Vijaya, the actual punishment for offending devotees like sanat kumaras is make them to be distanced from Sriman Narayana. The material enjoyments they got is like feeding a diabetics patients with more sweets. The more the material enjoyment the more they are distanced from the Lord. Finally as per the divine will of Sriman Narayana, when it was time, He came and ended their suffering and took back near Him. 

In essence, while Jaya and Vijaya experienced material enjoyments, these were part of the divine play and served a higher purpose. Their real suffering lay in being away from the Supreme Being and serving Him in Vaikuntha.

adiyen,
Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan.

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1 on August 23, 2024

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Dhanyosmi for response but Adiyen not convinced yet Swamy

1.”His anger is almost instantaneous and fierce, which is a direct manifestation of the energy accumulated through his tapas.”
– An intense Tapasvi who can reach SamAdhi sthithi in a short span succumbing to Anger? This is a paradox indeed.

2. Divine will causing suffering?

Now in the case of Jaya / Vijaya, the actual punishment for offending devotees like sanat kumaras is make them to be distanced from Sriman Narayana. ”

~ Then above justification can be given to any popular rowdies here.

That being the case everything is divine will as there is nothing beyond Narayana which makes Sriman Narayana himself as the cause of suffering. It goes against the Vedic principles.

Well, may be some kind of exception scenarios.

Adiyen also away from Sriman Narayana so all my dirty acts is because I got separated from Sriman Narayana.

I may be a special soul too…

Dasanudasan

Then above justification can be given to any popular rowdies here. = The answer is Yes Swami and this was clearly showcased by using Mother Sita for her offense to Lakshmana. 

“That being the case everything is divine will as there is nothing beyond Narayana”  =

The relationship between divine will and free will is a profound and nuanced topic.

1. Divine Will and Supreme Control:

•Sriman Narayana, as the Supreme Being, is the ultimate controller of everything in the universe. His will governs the macrocosm, including the creation, sustenance, and dissolution of the universe. This includes the grand, overarching plan of cosmic events and the destiny of souls.

•Everything that occurs is indeed in alignment with His divine will, which ensures the cosmic order and the ultimate welfare of all souls.

2. Free Will and Individual Responsibility:

•Within the framework of Sriman Narayana’s supreme control, individuals are endowed with free will (iccha śakti) by the Lord Himself. This free will allows souls (jīvātmas) to make choices and decisions within their lives.

•The purpose of free will is to allow the soul to engage in spiritual practice (sādhana) and to choose a path that leads to liberation (moksha) or continued material existence. Free will is essential for the soul to demonstrate its devotion (bhakti) and surrender (śaraṇāgati) to the Lord, which cannot be compelled but must be freely offered.

3. Interplay Between Divine Will and Free Will:

•Sriman Narayana’s divine will operates in such a way that it accommodates the free will of the individual souls. The Lord desires that souls turn towards Him out of love and free choice, rather than through compulsion.

•The exercise of free will by a soul determines its journey—whether it chooses actions (karma) that align with dharma and devotion to the Lord or actions driven by ego and desire that lead to further entanglement in the material world.

4. The Role of Grace (Kripa):

•While free will allows for choice, it is ultimately the grace (kripa) of Sriman Narayana (in our Sampradayam read it as Acharya’s Grace) that leads a soul towards liberation. The Lord’s grace can guide and inspire the soul to make choices that lead to its spiritual upliftment.

•Even though the soul has free will, the Lord’s grace is always present to support and protect those who sincerely seek Him. This grace is often seen as the true mover behind the soul’s progress, even while the soul exercises its free will.

5. Purpose of Free Will:

•The purpose of free will is to enable the soul to grow spiritually, to develop a relationship with Sriman Narayana, and to ultimately choose to reach Him. It is through the exercise of free will that a soul can realize its dependence on the Lord and surrender to Him completely.

•Free will also serves as a test of the soul’s devotion and commitment. The soul’s choices, made with free will, reflect its spiritual maturity and readiness for liberation.

Conclusion:

Free will exists within the framework of Sriman Narayana’s divine will. It serves the purpose of allowing souls to make choices that lead to spiritual growth and ultimately to liberation. While everything happens according to the Lord’s will, free will is the means by which the soul participates in its own spiritual journey, culminating in the soul’s recognition of its dependence on and relationship with the Supreme Being.

Hope this helps Swami.

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