Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Adiyen. Listened to today’s Pitru kadan upanyasam. Swamy was mentioning Pitru are seperate creation and human moves towards it based on punya and do “bhOgam” after reaching there.
How bhOgam (enjoyment) in Pitru lokam different from swargam?
Dasanudasan
Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha, ,
Nanbaney yenadhu uyir nanbaney,
Adiyens understanding from Swami’s Pravachanams,
Swargam is like 30 day resort package after paying lumpsum money upfront. Then they only do “Paanakam (drinks), Kelikkai (entertaintment) and Bhojanam (food).
At the last day, if one didnot checkout resort, they will be kicked off by bayilwaans. If not, they can pay again for extension.
Payment is “punya karma” earned for that period. Once punya karmas are exhausted in swarga, then the Athma will be thrown/dumped back to clouds and will wander around till gets a human body in bhoomi. This is the 1st “Aahootthi”.
Adiyen haven’t heard yet about pitru loka bhogam. So adiyen don’t know.
Overall, adiyen know from Swami’s upanyasam is that “All bhogams” in this leela vibhoothi in any lokams swargam or pitru lokam or naaga lokam or sathya lokam etc… is like:
“தன்னையும் மறந்து, பகவானையும் மறந்து,
பகவான் கைங்கர்யத்தயும் மறந்து,
மறந்தோம் என்கிற கவலையும் துறந்து,
இந்த ஸம்ஸாரம் என்கிற பெரும் கடலிலே நோவு படுகின்றோம்”.
Yendha logatthila, yaar yeppadi bhogam anubhavikkaraanga yenbhandhai therindhu, namma yenna panna pogiroam. Avargalukkum Acharya Ramanuja Sambhandham kidaitthu “Piravi” kadalil irundhu “SriVaikuntam” adaya vaendum yendru Swami Thiruvadiyil Prartthippoam.
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Dhanyosmi Swamy.
“Yendha logatthila, yaar yeppadi bhogam anubhavikkaraanga yenbhandhai therindhu, namma yenna panna pogiroam. ”
adhAn kelviye , dharma sandehathukku Kelvi venduma illaiyA? adhAn kaeten. Seri jokes apart, Swami mentioned “devAs are seperate creations” so are “pitrus seperate creations”. Humans go to that level based on punyA.
Just like Nithya Sooris are seperate creations. We go and get sAmyApathi anubhavam though equally. We don’t become Nithya Sooris but we are elevated to that level.
Adiyen wanted to know “when does one go to swargam” “when does one go to Pitru lokam” ?
What difference in puNyam makes difference in lokams? What does bhOgam mean in those lokAs (esp. Pitru)?
We are not worried as we are prappanna jana koodasthar. Swamy also sadhichar upanyasam for normal karma people only.
We may need to resolve Pitru kadan to an extent even as prapannas without having Pattru esp. in puNyam and refrain from papam as Swamy says.
Just wanted to know why my pitrus did not do SharanAgathi even after knowing PerumAl in their respective janma (including adiyen)? Apdi enna avaalukku Pitru lOkathula vela?
Ennai edharkku pirakkumpodhey kadan kaaranA Akkanum? 🙂
Dasanudasan
Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,
Dear BhagavAta,
we were also pitru in some janma and finally got human body and now Acgarya Krupai. Same way other jeevas will get such Acharya Krupai.
Swami has said beautifully on “Vaartha Maalai” upanyasam about 11 stages of realization as “Soru thedubhavargal”. Adiyen will list down in seperate thread in detail from Swami’s pravachanams.
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrisharpanam Asthu
