ஸ்ரீமதே ரங்கராமானுஜ மஹாதேசிகாய நம:
ஸ்ரீமதே ஸ்ரீவராஹ மஹாதேசிகாய நம:
ஸ்ரீ வேளுக்குடி கிருஷ்ணன் ஸ்வாமி திருவடிகளே சரணம்
ஸ்வாமி,
தப்பு செய்யாதவன பாத்து “நீ தப்பு செஞ்சுட்ட” னு சொன்னா அவனை தப்பு செய்ய தூண்டுமா தூண்டாதா?
அதான் பழி வந்துடுத்தே இனிமே தப்பு செஞ்சா என்ன?
அதுக்கு அப்புறம் வருந்துவது வேற விஷயம். தவறு நடக்காமல் பார்த்து கொள்வது எப்படி?
அடியேனுக்கு அடியேன்
Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve namaha,
Dear BhagavAta,
How to decide “தப்பு செய்யாதவன பாத்து (one who didn’t do any mistake/crime)?.
If any such person exists, then further question is valid. There are no such persons in the whole Samsaram who is not doing a mistake.
So far from upanyasam adiyen has understood that each of us commit daily sins using three things:
1. By MIND (thinking/cursing others by mind) : மனம்
2. By SPEECH (verbal abuse) : வாக்கு
3. By BODILY ACTIONS (physical abuse) : காயை
Like Swami has said mistakes/crimes needs to be sub-divided into two:
1. Done KNOWINGLY,
2. Done UNKNOWINGLY.
By “Speech” and “Bodily Actions”, one may be very polite or acting, but how to judge by “Mind” also the person is polite. That’s why BhagavAn (Supreme GOD) is sitting inside our geartvtsking note of our every actions and giving us the Phalam (result) as Paapa karma is Punya karma, which we have to relinguish.
Another example is, we say we do ThiruAradhanai to Perumal with Bhakhi and Acharam and Anushtanam. Is this literally true. It is not True because, by MIND we know BRAHMAM (BhagavAn) is everywhere. So are we not standing by keeping our foot on floor (BRAHMAM). Isn’t this a paapam that we commit daily. We can provide a round about answer that “we shouldnot think that we are standing on top of BRAHMAM, we should only think that the Shaligramam or Small diety at home Perumal”, but this cannot be digested if we have same thinking as “SukhaAcharyar” who considered BRAHMAM is everywhere and MOREOVER FELT BRAHMAM IS EVERYWHERE”.
Another example is, we go to bathroom for excretion, so “are we not realising that we are putting the excretion on BRAHMAM (BhagavAn) though HE is not in deity form, since BhagavAn us spread out as VIPU everywhere in Bathroom on the floor and we walk on HIM etc.... Isn’t this realisation make us uneasy. So how can we say, we are a Devotee/Bhaktha?
So Swami says in Sharanagathy Gadyam, we have tot pray to BhagavAn to FORGIVE all paapams done daily knowingly and unknowlingly, and we should importantly pray to BhagavAn that “please stop me from making paapams”. Further support BhagavAn needs to do.
So there is no other way around to say that “if one didn’t commit any mistakes”, since the fact is ANYONE in this samsaram is a daily Paapi either by MIND OR SPEECH OR BODILY ACTIONS, just the intensity of paapam varies from one person to another person. That’s it.
So the only thing that we can do is “HOW to reduce the Paapams, since Elimination of Paapams is impossible while we all are in this Samasram“. That’s how BgagavAn has done the PANCHIKARANAM, mixing all Satva, Rajas, Tamas gunas etc…..
The only way to get out of this daily NON-AVOIDABLE paapam (karma) cycle in thus Samsaram is when we all reach SriVaikuntam with Acharya Krupai and BhagavAt Anugraham, since this type of Rajas/Tamas thinking is not there in SriVaikuntam as it is “Suddha Satva Mayam”
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi krishna dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.
நாம் அனைவரும் தினமும் பல தப்புக்கள் செய்து கொண்டு இருப்பவர் தாம். எது சரி எது தவறு என்று சாஸ்திரத்தின் அடிப்படையில் பகுத்தறிந்து தவறுகளை குறைத்துக்கொண்டே வர வேண்டும்.
நாமே தவறு செய்பவர் என்பதால் அடுத்தவர் செய்வது சரியா தவறா என்று நம் சிந்தனையின் அடிப்படையில் நிர்ணயிப்பது ஆகாது. ஆனால் சாஸ்திரத்தின் அடிப்படையில் நிர்ணயிக்க கூடும்.
சாஸ்திரத்தின் அடிப்படையில் ஒருவர் செய்வது தவறானால், அதை சுட்டிகாட்டுவது நம் கடமையானால் அக்கடமையை கண்டிப்பாக செய்ய வேண்டும். அரசன், நீதிபதி, ஆசிரியர், பெற்றோர், உற்ற நண்பன், சமுதாயத்தில் ஒரு உதாரண குடிமகன் போன்ற கடமைகள் நாம் வகிக்கும் போது அந்த அந்த கடமைக்கு ஏற்ப நம் கருத்துக்களை தெரிவிக்க வேண்டும். தவறு செய்பவர் அதை ஏற்கிறாரோ இல்லையோ, நாம் நம்மால் இயன்றவரை பக்குவமாக எடுத்துறைக்க வேண்டும். அப்படி செய்ய தவறுவது நம் தவறாகும். விபீஷண ஆழ்வார் இராவணனுக்கு எடுத்துறைக்க தவறவில்லை. விதுரர் திருதிராஷ்டிரருக்கு எடுத்துறைக்க தவறவில்லை.
ஒரு தவறு செய்பவருக்கும் நமக்கும் கடமையின் அடிப்படையில் எந்த தொடர்பும் இல்லை எனில், அவரிடம் அவர்தம் தவறை நாம் சுட்டிகாட்ட தேவை இல்லை. ஆனால் அதே தவறை நம்மை சார்ந்தவர் செய்யாமல் இருக்க / ஆதரிக்காமல் இருக்க நாம் அவர்களுக்கு நிச்சயம் அத்தவறை சுட்டிகாட்ட வேண்டும். சமீப காலமாக பல இடங்களில் மததை காரணமாக கொண்டு ‘lynching’ நடந்த போழுது, நம் ஸ்வாமி அது தவறு என்று நமக்கு சுட்டிக்காட்ட தவறவில்லை.
அடியேன் கருத்தில் தவறிருந்தால் தயவு செய்து சுட்டிகாட்டவும். நன்றி.
நாம் தவறு செய்யாத போது நம் மேல் பழி விழுந்தால் என்ன செய்வது; “பழிதான் வந்து விட்டதே இனி செய்தால்தான் என்ன?” என்பது சரியா?
நாம் அடுத்தவர் பழிகளையும் பாராட்டுக்களையும் கொண்டு நம் செயல்களை சீர் பார்பது சரியன்று. சாஸ்திரம், ஆச்சார்யர்கள் தம் வாக்கு இவைகளின் அடிப்படையில் மட்டுமே நம் செயல்களை சீர் பார்க்க வேண்டும்.
பகவத்கீதையில் பல இடங்களில் பகவான் இதை பற்றி சொல்கிறார்: உதாரணம்: 12.18, 12.19.
இவ்வாறு பழிகளையும் பாராட்டுக்களையும் சமமாக கருதுவதென்பது நம் சிந்தனைகளையும் செயல்களையும் சாஸ்திரத்தைன் அடிப்படையில் சீர் தூக்கி பார்தால் மட்டுமே கூடும்.
சாஸ்திரத்தின் அடிப்படையில் அடியேன் செய்தது சரி என்றால் அது ஆச்சார்யனின் அநுகிரகம் மட்டுமே காரணம்.
சாஸ்திரத்தின் அடிப்படையில் அடியேன் செய்தது தவறெனில், அதுவே அடியேனின் ஸ்வபாவம்; ஆச்சாரியனின் அநுகிரகத்தால் மட்டுமே அடியேன் இந்த தவறின் விழைவுகளில் இருந்து தப்ப கூடும்; மீண்டும் இந்த தவறு ஏற்ப்படாமல் இருக்க கூடும்.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri BhAgavatha Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Dhanyosmi all.
Swamy has answered in EnPaNi 1450
NAyen vandhu adaindhen
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Dhanyosmi
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Namaskaram to All Swami’s,
With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam, additional related to this context, adiyen would like share from Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s upanyasam “Indru Mudhal Bhakthiyum Shaanthiyum” and adiyen pulled the content from a SriVaishnavaite blog translated by another Adiyaar in English.
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Story of Valmiki tells that no one can share our Papam
We know the story of valmiki who tried to steal from a Rishi. Rishi’s have a great guna that they do not pin point the wrong things and the Rishi said “You seem to be looking like a good man why are you stealing ?”. On hearing these words even a bad person will start to think that he is good. Similarly, if we keep talking only about bad things of a good person he will eventually become bad. Need to see only the positive things even about a bad person, since All atma’s are good.
Valmiki was a robber(road side robber). Valmiki once saw an old sage and was about to rob him. But the old sage was very tired and hence Valmiki decided to help him since valmiki was very courteous(Karunai). The old sage asked him “what do you do?” Valmiki replied boldly “I rob”. The Sage suggested him to mend his ways. Valmiki replied that since he didn’t know any other option to take care of his family other than robbing he has been into this. Sage said “Check with your family if they are ready to share the papam (demerits, sins) from this robbery like the way they are ready to consume/share the items you rob.” Valmiki was bold and thought he would check the same with his family. His family members replied “Taking care of us is your duty and if you acquire any papam during that we are not ready to accept that papam”. Valmiki came back to the sage and told the reply he got from his family. The sage said “Did u understand that people are ready to consume your wealth but not your sorrow or papam. You can rob but tell the “Rama” Naamam which I am telling you while you rob”. Suggesting this the Sage went away. Thus the Rishi taught Valmiki about Rama Namam and went.
Valmiki was saying “Rama” Naamam while he continued to rob. நாமத்தின் மகிமை மெது மெதுவே அவரிடம் பணபாட்டை வளர்த்தது, ஸம்ஸக்காரத்தை ஏற்படுத்தியது (Naamathin magimai methu methuve avaridam pannbhattai valarthadhu, samskkaarathai yerpaduthiyathu). Valmiki was already courteous. Due to Rama naamam, the change happened and thief became a Yogi and then became a Rishi and Valmiki Rishi who wrote the Ramayanam.
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This is a beautiful moral story for everyone of us. So adiyen believe, SriRama considers any Bhakta as “அவன் அப்போது பொல்லான், இப்போது எனக்கு நல்லான்”. So we need to see only the positive things even about a bad person, since All atma’s are good.
Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.
There’s the power of positive thinking
You seem to be looking like a good man why are you stealing ?”. On hearing these words even a bad person will start to think that he is good. Similarly, if we keep talking only about bad things of a good person he will eventually become bad
If we say “good for nothing” he might become Buddhist ?
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Nandri Vikram Swami for finally understanding that everyone does some mistakes, so we should pick only the the good out of it. Velukkudi Swami has beautifully graced in Enpani #1756.
That’s why Adiyen was trying to point out by Valmiki story in the above thread by explicitly saying that the original question itself is incorrect “
So there is no one like தப்பு செய்யதவாள
Everyone is தப்பு செய்யரவா தான் in one way or other.
Now devareer understood, Adiyen feel so happy about it in seeing devareer transformation.
That’s why Adiyen posted above as Need to see only the positive things even about a bad person, since All atma’s are good.
But Adiyen feel there is little more improvement needed in devareer, like positivity is not ONE-WAY, why Adiyen say this is, devareer feel happy by saying above as “There’s the power of positive thinking”, but when devareer’s happiness is acheived based ones positive reaction to devareer (like Adiyen post to devareer), then devareer immediately turned devareer’s happiness into someone’s sadness by saying as “If we say “good for nothing” he might become Buddhist ?
So, Where did Bhuddhist come into this conversation and who told they are bad people?.
So this statement is not positive thinking Vikram Swami. That’s why Adiyen was waiting like கொக்கை போலே as Thirumalai AnanthAzhvan Swami that at some point, devareer will understand from Velukkudi Swami’s Enpani, which happened today in #1756 and devareer self acknowledgement in the thread as
https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/the-beauty-of-enpani-dharma-sandeha/
And Adiyen is Happy to see such transformation. It doesn’t mean Adiyen is perfect.
So the correct positive statement should be “If we say “good for nothing” he might become ‘good for nothing? And we should not demerit another set of People like the Bhuddist as devareer mentioned, which is of no relevance. We should understand that BhagavAn only see “our Behaviour and not on religion“
So the next question that will arise is, if everyone is bad in one way or other, then how to be a better person?
That’s why on the couple of other threads, adiyen was saying
*If one says 10 things of which 9 of them are odd or bad, then just don’t pick on it, instead pick on the one good thing that he was saying so that he can become a better person., Like how we each one of us are improving.
* Positivity is not just one-way like நான் யாரை வேண்டுமானாலும் தப்புன்னு சொல்லுவேன், ஆனால் மற்றவர்கள் என்கிட்ட POSITIVE’a பேசணும், இது அநியாயமான சிந்தனை இல்லையோ, so positivity should be two-way practice.
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Swamy kshamikkavum thappa purinjuntel
This is an intended pun “by saying as “If we say “good for nothing” he might become Buddhist ?
So, Where did Bhuddhist come into this conversation and who told they are bad people?.
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Buddhist dhaney shunya vadhi adha sonnen
They beleive in NOTHING so
“GOOD FOR NOTHING” nu
😀
Dasanudasan
So by inferring “who told they are bad people?.” Nothing beleivers are bad so Buddhism is not to be followed
sAkkiyam katrOm, SamaNam katrOm, SankaranAr aakkiya Aagamanool aarAindhOM; BhaggiyathAl venkaTkariyAnai SerndOm
We learned SAkkiyam (jainism) SamaNam (Buddhism) and did deep research into the doctrine of Saivam; which were all totally
misleading. Luckily, we landed at the feet of TiruvengadathAN as a SrIvaishNavan
Thirumazhisai PirAn Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Dasanudasan
Adiyen eppovumey positive dhan Swamy
VILAKKU OLI PERUMAL KOOTINDU POGA PORAAR
DEEPA PRAKAASAR
If you remember during the starting stages of EnPaNi our Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy said:
“ONLY ON CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS PEOPLE DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN. FOR GENERAL TOPICS VIEWERSHIP IS LOW”
SO ADIYEN DECIDED TO CHANGE STRATEGY AND SPICE UP DHARMA SANDEHA
Ippa na kekkardhunaala edhavadhu maara pogardha theriyadhu
If more people get involved NAM SANATHANA DHARMATHUKKU NALLADHU DHANEY
Chumma giving it a try
SRI VELUKKUDI KRISHNAN SWAMY THIRUVADIGALEY SHARANAM
WHEN ADIYEN LEAVE ENNA SUTHI PEEUMAL IRUKARO ILLAIYO
ALL ACHARYAS SHOULD BE THERE
AVALA MUNNITTTUNDU SEVICHUNDU DHAN MOKSHAM POVEN
ADIYEN BELEIVE SABARI MOKSHAM GREATER THAN JATAYU MOKSHAM
THOUGH MOKSHAM IS THE SAME
SAKSHI BHUTHA: PERUMAL WAS JUST A WITNESS DURING SABARI MOKSHAM
THE SWATHANTHRAN HANDS TIED DOWN BY ACHARYA
Dasanudasan
IPPADI YELLAM PESINAL VELUKKUDI SWAMYKKU EN MEL KOVAM VARALAM NU THERIYUM
NERYA PERU SANATHANA DHARMATHUKKU INVOLVE AAGINA NGRA SANTHOSHAM ENAKKU
KINCHIT KAINKARYAM
UDAYAVAR YOSIKALAYA ? NA NARAGATHUKKU PONAALUM PARAVAA ILLA IVA MOKSHATHUKKU POGANUM NUTU
AVAR YOSIKALAM
NA YOSIKA KOODATHA?
AVAA LIFE DHANA NAMAKKU PAADAM?
DASANUDASAN
Let’s type and see
ramasya athma sama sakha
1st two google results will be kinchit website.
Many people would have said this but we are first.
AVAR YOSIKALAM
NA YOSIKA KOODATHA? AVAA LIFE DHANA NAMAKKU PAADAM?
Vikram swamy, I have not read the detailed discussions above in this thread. I just happened to see this sentence in your posting; since I remember you saying something like this long ago in another post, I thought I can take the liberty to hubmly caution you on this, please. Kindly permit me to share.
Our duty is to “follow what our acharyas have insturcted us”; our role is not to ‘imitate their actions’. In the armed forces they have a saying for those lower in the hierarchy “Do as I tell you to do; don’t do as I do”. This logic can be applied to our spiritual practices too. We should do what our acharyas instruct us to do; we should not do as they do.
You may ask “Why”? I am not mature enough to be able to explain that to you; but I know for sure what I am saying is correct. If you simply accept this as a feedback from your well wishing friend, then by acharyan anugraham you may soon get to understand the reason also somehow.
Yes, அவா lifeதான் நமக்கு பாடம் – The பாடம் is how to fix our mind in acharyas’s instruction, and his mission and dedicate one’s life and soul towards that. Udaiyavar did that; Koorathhtaazhvaan did that…… all acharyas do that. That is the lesson for us. But what exactly we should do, we must only seek instruction from our guru / acharyan and dedicate our life towards that goal. If the acharyan says “take care of your family well and help them in devotional life” then that is the kainkaryam for us. If we go beyond and try to do things that are beyond the instructions given to us, then such activities are not appropriate.
I hope you will understand and accept; if not only Velukkudi Swamy can help you on this.
adiyen dasan.
