Dear Swamy/Periyava, Adiyen ramanuja dasan, As I worried in Enpani 2894 -> “!nsys N. Murthy reveals the character who has impressed me the most in Mahabharata is Karna. Nobody else. Because of his generosity. That’s the way I grew up,” he said. Ippa solunga swamy. Paditha muttal ipadi pesum pothu padikatha makkal naathikam, communism pesuvdhu viyapu illai.” Idhu dhaan Kaliyugathin nidharsanam ! After praising Karnan he went to Tirupati and contribute Changu to Perumal. So these selfish people are living for Secular Drama to attract youth alias Sampradya Drama for self protection! வாழ்க்கை ஒரு நாடக மேடை. Sarvam Krishna arpanam team naan. Adiyen ramanuja dasan.
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thriruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Some people are over hyped. N. Murthy is one of them.
See everybody will say N.Murthy is right
and You are wrong
Yezhai soll Ambalam YerAdhu
N.Murthy can give job
What will you give? Advice?
The reason you are speaking about N.Murthy and not a roadside beggar with better philosophy signifies the maturity level and our education
Amman koil thatha idha Vida nanna solluvAr
I don’t hate rich people but I hate the way people respect based on richness
First nAma.thirundhanum
Dasanudasan
Swamy neengalun Kamalahassan madhri puriydha madhiri pesureal 🙂 neenga against/favour about N.Murthy speech. Surely his soft corner on Karnan will make Youth may get divert from krishna to karna
Swamy,
My point is, N.Murthy thoughts are irrelevant to us. If he thinks Karna is better that is his opinion. Nobody will change It’s a misconception that people will change for his ideology. People listen only to money not for righteousness.
If he says Karna is good because he kept donating. I feel nothing is wrong. It may encourage donating. It shows his limited knowledge about Karna though. My question is he an Acharya to create impact on Sampradayam?
Dasanudasan
Swamy sure he is not an Traditional acharya ! But he is an Modern+IT+Success guru for this world and youth in India. Hence Karnan weightage is always shining in todays world. Krishna ellam un thiruvialaydal…
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
karna is one of the malicious characters in the whole Mahabharata. He was the one who told duryodhana that “now Pandavas have lost the gambling, Draupadi is now Dasi to you my friend duryodhana and she should sit in your lap”, due to karna’s instigation, the fool dhuryodhana ordered dhushasana to bring Draupadhi to the sabha. This Karna’s bad character made Srikrishna THE Supreme Almighty GOD to instruct Arjuna to take down Karna while he was unarmed trying to release his chariot wheel from the mud. karna’s generosity was his selfish motive to accomplish/attract others, but the inner bad character will always come out. Most karna’s films are made by nasthika or asthika-nasthika (mixture of both) sponsors due to which they project him as a good generous character, but Vyasa Mahabharata doesn’t say so. Sometimes people like N.Murthy or anyone who is not aware of karna’s bad character, may get misled and get impressed by watching such films.
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Adding to it, what about Abhimanyu unrighteous killing? Where was Karna?
See, I am not highlighting only bad or good. We are entitled to our opinion. My point is N.Murthy may be a common man just like Kuppan & Suppan.
If I am PanakkAran you will listen to me.
Dasanudasan
cant drag this much… anyway secular media celebrating N.Murthy views and making an impact to youth mind..
Yss Adhan Devareer already put
“Paditha Muttal N. Murthy”
Issue is, sariyAnadhai padikkavillai
Media will bark only for it’s owner.
Dasanudasan
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Sorry to bother everyone,
Who is N Murthy!? Leave it I don’t want to know him either.
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Who all hating Karnan, you might have read mahabharatham well. I think.
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Could you please tell me,
In Karnan movie, at last karnan getting defeated.. After few arrows of arjunan, the arrows converts to flowers..!?!!!
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Is that in vyasa mahabharatham?
Kindly, if you knew., please reply
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Sorry, I asked this question because swami shri velukkudi krishnan’s video about karna parvam ends with, once karnan got shot by arjunan.
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And there are many versions of mahabharatham are available. If I state someone’s then obviously people says, “that’s not original”, “We don’t want to answer you”, “read vyasa mahabharatham”, etc..
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Above 2 persons Govindan Narayanan & ElayaAlwar are includes karnan in many post that karnan was too much bad, impurity, Evil-kind..
So, question arises.
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Also,
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In movie
Lord Krishna speaks with Karnan at last minute of karnan’s life!?!
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Karnan’s mother came to battle ground and cry hugging karnan’s body!?!!!
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Is these 3 are in vyasa mahabharatham?? Or not?
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Please reply if you knew,..
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
I think the questionare is informing about the founder of Infosys N.Murthy the materialistic giants ignorance in spiritual field based on his recent interview which can mislead spiritualistic followers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/infosys-founder-narayana-murthy-reveals-the-mahabharat-character-that-impressed-him-most-10925411.html/amp
As a simple thumb rule to remember, ANYONE in the battlefield opposite side of SriKrishna are Adharmies (wrong doers). Like Bhishma, Dronacharya may have their own personal credibility, but they watched and didn’t even stop dushasana while disrobing draupadhi. As a minister and leading Bharat nation if dridharastra regimen is not able to save a Lady, then what will be the fate of the civilians. So SriKrishna had to take ALL of them down through the Dharmies (Pandavas) who are all warriors in battle field.
Now the question may arise, we are chanting Vishnu Sahasranam given by Bhishma. That’s because his bad blood developed by consuming food from Adharmik place (Dhridharata and his sons) were drained out when in death arrow bed. He got purified and thus sung Vishnu Sahasranam.
So praising any of the the Adharmik people is not going to help them until they repent at some point and lead a pious life.
There are three types of people:
1) Asthika (believers of Supreme Almighty GOD),
2) Nasthika (Non believers of Almighty GOD and the demigods),
3) Asthika-Nasthika (who believe in Almighty GOD and demigods but interpret dharma in their own way and mislead people).
Poorvacharyas says one need to be careful with the category 3) people, since they are difficult to identify. 1) & 2) are easy to identify. It’s easy for us to adhere to 1) and detach from 2)
It’s understood that the person in context falls in category 3)
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.
Adiyen object this point
“That’s because his bad blood developed by consuming food from Adharmik place (Dhridharata and his sons) were drained out”
Blood is no good or bad. Only Manas to be blamed.
Valmiki was supposed to be robber or something prior to becoming saint
Thirumangai Azhwar good blood or bad blood? He robbed right?
If we talk like this how will people get “blood transfusion”?
Let’s not generalize.
We don’t know when one person is in good mood sathvikam or in bad mood rajasam / tamasam.
Dasanudasan
I think we need to elevate ourselves, do we take blood from an alcoholic, when in need. Probably No. Every details counts. Shastras says ones character will be influenced by the food we need. That food is the one converted to blood. Why do we take Acharya Shree Padha Theerthan and Uchishtam it’s because they are Satvik and that holy water and holy food, when we intake purifies us and gets converts into the blood. Only blood group can be determined as A1 or A1B+ etc. But in blood also there is Sathvik, Rajasik and Tamasik, classification, which cannot be determined unless we know from who we are getting the blood in need.
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Who you mentioning here? “that the person in context falls”
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It’s not that hard to understand the thumb rule. .It could be anyone (me, you or others ..) if we fall in category 3) criteria, who is praising adharmies or supporting the category 3) people or having attachments towards category 3) people due to their involvement with them…..
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But, I was asked about these⬇️
In Karnan movie, at last karnan getting defeated.. After few arrows of arjunan, the arrows converts to flowers..!?!!!
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Lord Krishna speaks with Karnan at last minute of karnan’s life!?!
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Karnan’s mother came to battle ground and cry hugging karnan’s body!?!!!
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Is these 3 are in vyasa mahabharatham?? Or not?
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
These flower showering scene are only in category 2) & 3) sponsored &/or made movies, not in Vyasa bharatham.
In Vyasa bharatham “Karna parva part 91” details about it.
Karna blames SrKrishna that HE didn’t follow dharma by instructing Arjuna to kill him when he was armless.
For that SriKrishna Scolds and Advices Karna by blasting him by reminding his adharma activities that he has done as below.
In Tamil அறம் means Dharma.
Few details in English, but full details in Tamil from Vyasa Bharatham as below.
SriKrishna scolds and advices to Karna:
1. When you and your group killed lonely Abhimanu, where was your அறம் (dharma)
2. When you instigated your friend duryodhana to order dushshasana to disrobe Draupadhi Infront of everyone, where was your அறம் (dharma),
3. When your friend burned down the wax palace when pandavas were residing where was your அறம் (dharma),
4. Etc…etc….almost SrKrishna points out karna’s more than 15 criminal offences…..
In Tamil full details
“தேரில் நின்றிருந்த வாசுதேவன் {கிருஷ்ணன்}, அந்தக் கர்ணனிடம், “ஓ! ராதையின் மகனே {கர்ணா},
நீ அறத்தை நினைவு கூர்வது நற்பேறாலேயே. கீழ்த்தரமானவர்கள் {நீசர்கள்}, தாங்கள் துன்பத்தில் மூழ்கும்போது, தங்கள் தேவைக்குப் பழிப்பதும், தாங்கள் செய்யும் தீச்செயல்களின் போது பழிக்காததும் பொதுவாகக் காணப்படுகிறது.(1)
நீ, சுயோதனன், துச்சாசனன், சுபலனின் மகனான சகுனி ஆகியோர், ஒற்றையாடையில் இருந்த திரௌபதியைச் சபைக்கு மத்தியில் கொண்டு வரச் செய்தீர்கள். ஓ! கர்ணா, அச்சந்தர்ப்பத்தில் உனது அறம் வெளிப்படவில்லை. (2)
பகடையில் திறன்பெற்ற சகுனி, அஃதை {பகடையை} அறியாத குந்தியின் மகனான யுதிஷ்டிரரை சபையில் வெற்றிக் கொண்ட போது, இந்த உனது அறம் {தர்மம்} எங்கே சென்றது?(3)
உன் ஆலோசனைப்படி செயல்பட்ட குரு மன்னன் (துரியோதனன்), பாம்புகள் மற்றும் நஞ்சூட்டப்பட்ட உணவு ஆகியவற்றின் உதவியால் பீமரைப் பீடித்தபோது, உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(4)
காடுகளுக்குள் நாடுகடத்தப்பட்ட காலமும், {மறைந்து வாழ வேண்டிய} பதிமூன்றாவது {13} வருடமும் கழிந்த பிறகும், பாண்டவர்களுக்கு அவர்களது அரசை நீங்கள் கொடுக்காதபோது, உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(5)
உறங்கிக் கொண்டிருந்த பாண்டவர்களை எரித்துக் கொல்வதற்காக வாரணாவதத்தின் அரக்கு வீட்டுக்கு நீங்கள் நெருப்பிட்டீர்களே, ஓ! ராதையின் மகனே {கர்ணா}, அப்போது, உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(6)
மாதவிடாயின் காரணமாகக் குறைந்த உடையில் இருந்தவளும், துச்சாசனனின் விருப்பப்படிக் கீழ்ப்படிந்திருந்தவளுமான கிருஷ்ணை {திரௌபதி} சபைக்கு மத்தியில் நின்றிருந்தபோது அவளைக் கண்டு சிரித்தாயே, ஓ! கர்ணா, அப்போது இந்த உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(7)
பெண்களுக்காக ஒதுக்கப்பட்ட அறைக்குள் அத்துமீறி, அப்பாவியான கிருஷ்ணை {திரௌபதி} இழுக்கப்பட்டபோது, நீ தலையிடவில்லையே. ஓ! ராதையின் மகனே {கர்ணா}, அப்போது உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(8)
யானையின் நடை கொண்ட பெண்மணியாக மதிக்கப்பட்ட இளவரசி திரௌபதியிடம் நீ பேசியபோது, “ஓ! கிருஷ்ணையே, பாண்டவர்கள் தொலைந்தனர். அழிவில்லா நரகில் அவர்கள் மூழ்கிவிட்டனர். நீ வேறொரு கணவனைத் தேர்ந்தெடுப்பாயாக” என்றாயே. ஓ! கர்ணா, அப்போது உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(9)
அரசின் மீது பேராசை கொண்டும், காந்தாரர்களின் ஆட்சியாளனை {சகுனியை} நம்பியும் (பகடையாட) பாண்டவர்களை நீங்கள் அழைத்தீர்களே. அப்போது உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(10)
வலிமைமிக்கத் தேர்வீரர்கள் பலர், சிறுவனான அபிமன்யுவைப் போரில் சூழ்ந்துகொண்டு, அவனைக் கொன்ற போது, உனது அறம் எங்கே சென்றது?(11)
இப்போது நீ இருப்புக்கு அழைக்கும் இந்த அறம், அந்தச் சந்தர்ப்பங்களில் எல்லாம் எங்குமில்லையெனில், இப்போது அவ்வார்த்தையைச் சொல்லி உன் {வாயின்} மேலண்ணத்தை உலர்த்துவதால் யாது பயன்? ஓ! சூதா {கர்ணா}, நீயோ இப்போது அறத்தின் நடைமுறைகளைக் குறித்துப் பேசுகிறாய், ஆனாலும் நீ உயிரோடு தப்ப மாட்டாய்.(12)
புஷ்கரனால் வீழ்த்தப்பட்ட நளன், மீண்டும் தன் ஆற்றலால் அரசை மீட்டதைப் போல, ஆசையிலிருந்து விடுபட்ட பாண்டவர்களும், தங்கள் கரங்களின் ஆற்றலாலும், தங்கள் நண்பர்கள் அனைவரின் உதவியாலும் தங்கள் அரசை மீட்பார்கள்.(13)
தங்கள் பலமிக்க எதிரிகளைக் கொன்ற பிறகு, சோமகர்களுடன் சேர்ந்து தங்கள் அரசை அவர்கள் மீட்பார்கள். அறத்தால் எப்போதும் காக்கப்படும் இந்த மனிதர்களில் சிங்கங்களின் (பாண்டு மகன்களின்) கைகளால் தார்தராஷ்டிரர்கள் அழிவை அடைவார்கள்” என்றான் {கிருஷ்ணன்}[1].”(14)
These Nasthikas and Asthika-Nasthikas are the dangerous people who have made films projecting the Adharmik people as good people hiding all the True facts. Like செஞ்சோற்று கடன் தீர்க்க song in the movie is one of the biggest atrocity. It makes one think Karna was a great charitable person and people like N.Nurthy or anyone who have similar mindset get carried away easily, but it doesn’t last long. Truth always comes out
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan
Perfect shot for those Padditha Muttal praising Karnan (koduran) when they knew about lord Krishna
How petty people we are!?!
Do you know the meaning of “koduran“
I question “ONLY” because of these words, this much bad karnan is?? Your words says not just bad “most evil” kind.
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I see here,
“படித்த முட்டாள் praising Karnan” = “படித்த முட்டாள் condemning Karnan”
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Both are perfectly same.
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Literally I came now to reply “sorry and thanks” but after seeing your reply, it triggered me to reply like this.
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As usual, if I look like 3.) category…as ElayaAlwar mentioned above.
I accept that credits and sorry (I am sorry god),. 🙏🏻
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First of all,
Thank you so much🙏🏻
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Question:
In Karnan movie, at last karnan getting defeated.. After few arrows of arjunan, the arrows converts to flowers..!?!!!
Answer:
Not in vyasa mahabharatham.
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Question:
Lord Krishna speaks with Karnan at last minute of karnan’s life!?!
Answer:
No, he scolded and adviced.
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Question:
Karnan’s mother came to battle ground and cry hugging karnan’s body!?!!!
Answer:
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I’m not sure of the 3rd question if karna mother came to battlefield when he was punished for his crime. He has step mother and biological mother. Honestly, at this point after understanding karna crime, is it so necessary to pursue to know this answer which is not important for ones own Athma Ujjivanam.
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