Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Swami’s Enpani #1414 is to enlighten the facts of BhagavAn’s Shrishti (creation), to others who are ourselves either Hindus or Christians or Muslims etc… If we talk to the core followers of other religion like Christianity, their original text is written in “Hebrew“,  like ours in sanskrit and they say there is no mentioning them as “Christians”, same as our naming as Hindus. Actually few centuries back, either myself or anyone of us (present vaidhehaas) before taking this present body in India in Brahman Kula or other kulams,, there is possibility that we (Jeevathmas) would have taken a British body (can anyone deny that, only BhagavAn knows the truth). So using British body we invaded other countries and at that time, we knowingly or unknowingly helped some pure devotees of BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA due to which BhagavAn gave an Indian Body in this birth to us. So Swami’s intention is Not to do Parihaasam (making fun) anyone of other religion since their Pamplet giving his not a crine, Swami’s was only making a conversation to help and understand the reality.

If we consider only Sanatana Dharma Demi God’s as BhagavAn’s Thirumeni, then Indra demi GOD disguised as her husband Gautama Maharishi and abused his wife “Ahalya” sexually. There are floating stories which say, though Ahalya know it was Infra, she did not react, but this doesn’t supercede Indra’s initial BAD intention to come as disguise.

On the other hand, Christians follow their Guru whom they call as “Messenger of GOD”, which means “Guru” in our Sanatana Dharmam.. Do they have their Guru doing such acts as Indra. There is no such acts of their Guru like that. 

So bad persons like Infra demi GOD and good person like other guru also in Perumal Thurumeni (God’s Body).

All BhaddhAthmas (Jeevathmas covered with KARMAS) are spread out in different Bodies with different religion names as Hindu, Christian, Muslim etc…..but all Jeevathmas are Shareeram to BhagavAn and fall under Sanatana Dharmam though others are not aware of the naming convention as Sanatana dharma, since they also follow Ethical conduct and follow GOD through their Guru.

As far as Bad behaviour or Atheism is concerned, that is also their in Sanatana Dharmam.

Core Christian devotees don’t eat meat, since their “10 amendments” says

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.”
6. Thou shall not kill.
7. “Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
10.  “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s

All these are ethical conducts as per Sanatana Dharmam, so it is not necessary that name is important, rather following is important.

Let’s pick few of these:

6.”Thou Not to Kill“, but other ignorant Christians eat meat, since they don’t follow their original Hebrew text set by the one common Supreme GOD.

Same as Sanatana Dharmis, the core good followers don’t eat meat, but the ignorant Hindus eat meat during non visting days to Temples.

2.Christians also follow diety workshop, since they have their Guru Statue in their temple, like we have Acharyas diety in temples.

Also Christains say other Diety workshop not allowed, same as core Sanatana Dharmam” no bother demi GOD workshop other than Sriman NarayanA for Sharanagathas”.

5. Is same as Martha-Pitha-Guru Deivam in sananata Dharmam.

So on….

So the Primary thing that we should focus in This Kali Yuga is “HOW TO BE A GOOD PERSON“, A good person who has faith in GOD in any religion is better than a Bad person in any religion. Let BhagavAn take care who should reach Moksham through which religion, and let’s only follow, the PATH that what BhagavAn has chosen for us in a view point that other Jeevaathmas of any religion should also reach Moksham in SAME BIRTH and pray on our Guru’s lotus feet, whenever our Gyanam raises a bit.

So we should consider all Chit’s (Jeevathmas Residing in any religion) and all Achits (Prakruthi) are BhagavAn’s Thirumeni in the another thread as per Paanini Maharishi Sootram for Roodi Artham for ‘NarayanA’ word and also as per Upanushad Vaakyam as Swami says 

“Yasya Athma Shareeram, ……….(All Chit’s are my Body)

Yasya Prithvi Shareeram…….( All Achits are my Body)”

So overall the huge Brahmam (உவமேயம்) can be visualized and meditated by Visually seeing the உவமானம் Archai/Diety and Acharya/Guru forms only in their own religion, which can be done by anyone who has Aasai.

All Sanatana Dharmis (Ethical persons) of any Religion Ki Jai

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha.

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy/Guru Thiruvadigalae Sharanam.

Chowkidhar KongilPiratti Thiruvadigalae Danda Pranam.

KongilPiratti, Beautifully written.

adiyen.

ஸ்ரீமதே ரங்கராமானுஜ மஹாதேசிகாய நம:

“2.Christians also follow diety workshop”
Swamy they have a group called PROTESTANTS which questions everything like I do in dharma sandeha.

1. Their church don’t have statue worship
2. They don’t have father concept “who is he to stand in between me & god”?

That colleague also told me
இது மத மாற்றம் அல்ல மன மாற்றம்

I respect all Gods but not at the cost of my God!

Nambaaduvaan last sathya prathignya says “i may go to that hell which is allocated for comparing other gods with Vishnu”

Azhwar has sung வெறுப்புடு சமணர் முண்டர் வீதியில் சாகியர்கள் தலை ஆங்கே அருப்பதே கருமம் கண்டாய் அரங்க மா நகருளானே ”

வேளுக்குடி ஸ்வாமி உபன்யாசத்திக் சாதித்த ஒரு பாசுரம்
“தலை அருப்புண்டும் சாகேன்”

Meaning won’t die even if head is lost . These songs are not without a reason.

Devareer’s points are correct until we are directly impacted . Nobody here questions true followers

“அவர் அவர் விதி வழி அடை நின்றனரே”

அடியேனுக்கு அடியேன்

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swmai Guruve Namaha,

Dear Vikram BhagavAta,

Adiyen believe, BhagavAtA is reading with pre-conceived mind considering other mathams are isolated mathams and all are doing wrong.

Swami has said, we should draw a line looking at GUNAS (BEHAVIOUR), Good Behavior or Bad Behavior is what is prescribed by BhagavAn (Shastra’s means Do’s & Don’ts). Are all the Hindus behaving good. If so, why do we need Acharyas avatram & Swami Ramanuajr Avataram irrespective of Moksham. Swami Ramanuajar is mainly called asr “SriRangatthai Thirutthi Vaitton Vazhiye (one who corrected SriRangam and said Moksham is for everyone who has Aasai, not just for 1^st varnas as per Shastras)”. A Brahman SriVaishnavite put poison on Swami’s Uccha Vritti Annam due to Jealousy (Bad behavior). So can we blindly say, Sri Vaishavaites are Good. No correct. SO, base line Behavior is important and then Devotion. Swami has said, one by wearing Symbols on their forehead doesn’t become a Sri Vaishanavite, if by MInner MIND they don’t have Karunai towards other living beings and devoation to GOD, and isolate from bad entities.

In India, majority are Hindus by Birth Certificate and spread everywhere. Consider the Jail in India, if we take census of the religion by certificate, majority of them will be Hindus, does it mean Hinduism taught them to do bad. No correct, that is because, they did not follow the Behavioral Rules as per Hinduism, and so they are in Jail, irrespective of their Birth Certificate as Hindu. Same situation for other country like usa, where, majority of them inside the Jail are Christians, doesn’t means their matham  taught them to be bad. They just did not follow their ethical behavior own texts.

So, the question is not about Hindu, christian or muslim it is about their base text in their own religion teaches Ethical Things, which is not being followed by everyone in each of their religion. Does BhagavAta understand this point. Same as the Swami’s Enpani. Why Swami talks about Sri VAIshanava Lakshanam etc….. it means many of us don’t follow, so we have to follow it. If we all follow initially, then why Swami had to waste time teaching us all these.

So, every Matham has dilution due to the bad behavior people inside that Matham’s who doesn’t follow their own Ethical text. Like Ravan is a Brahman and followed Vedas, chanted Mantras and great devotee of Shiva Devata. But he was destructive to the world. Does it means Vedas taught him to do bad. Can we make judgement that Hindusim is bad. No correct. It is not about the spiritual text, since any religion text always teaches good things for everyone., but some doesn’t follow it for the Welfare of everyone, and if that person is influential, then he can bring destruction to the world, like Ravan etc…

So now each Mathams are following their own text and for the welfare of others.

That’s what adiyen was saying above, the core Christians are following their Ethical Text and propagating for welfare of others. Adiyen not sure, if BhagavAtas friends are core ethical followers of their own texts or not. So, they will tell what they know. If we are following our own Hinduism spiritual texts and apply for welfare of others, then we can say, “NO Thank you for your Pamphlet, I’m already following the Ethical conduct and faith on GOD through my faith that GOD has given me birth”.

Acharyas “Pira Matha Kandanam” was due to false propagation of bad influential persons distorting the good faith followers. It is not aimed at the Good behavior of people, it is aimed at the bad own developed Philosophy of the people which was destructive for mankind and against GOD’s mind.

If one is following a good philosophy/behavior, then we have no rights to condemn others, let it be any religion.

In India, the “Dry Knowledge” Spiritualists (without Karunai/Sneham) was more in olden days who misused Vedas for self fish reasons, and there were Temple atrocities (bad behavior) in the name of GOD following, when GOD himself has not enacted anything like that in Texts. So, GOD closes such Temples and destroys such bad behavior Vedic people. This is same applicable for other religions, when they don’t follow their own Ethical texts.

So, it all about GOOD Behavior with faith in GOD, let it be any religion. So malicious behavior that is seen in any religion is condemnable, so BhagavAta need not to get into details of differences within other religion, since every religion has its own issues due to people not following their own texts. That’s why GOD sends Spiritual Masters in each area to straighten or sort of the issues to channelize the path for Spirituality and Moksham.

That’s why adiyen said in previous thread,

So the Primary thing that we should focus in This Kali Yuga is “HOW TO BE A GOOD PERSON“, A good person who has faith in GOD in any religion is better than a Bad person in any religion. Let BhagavAn take care who should reach Moksham through which religion, and let’s only follow, the PATH that what BhagavAn has chosen for us in a view point that other Jeevaathmas of any religion should also reach Moksham in SAME BIRTH and pray on our Guru’s lotus feet, whenever our Gyanam raises a bit.

Also Swami gas said that BhagavAn has a beautiful KALYANA GUNAM “NiraANKUSA SWATHANTRIYAM / நிராங்குச ஸ்வாதந்த்ரியம் (Non-questionable Independence) which BhagavAn utilizes to give Salvation/Moksham or anything to anyone irrespective of their religion, varna or state of mind. So we ignorant Bhaddhatmas cannot make Judegemt or Conclusion that it will take long time for someone and short time for someone else and who should get Moksham and question how BhagavAn gave Moksham to Shishupalan or Dhadhipandan or Naalooran or Gantakaranans brother etc…That’s why BhagavAn doesn’t even say everything to us about whom and all HE gives Moksham, since we have habit of questioning BhagavAn’s actions. It’s up to BhagavAn on how to handle/deal with his properties (we Jeevathmas) because all Jeevathmas are HIS property and NOT our property.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/is-perumal-hindu-muslim-or-christian/

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKRishnarpanam Asthu

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Nandri Chinnadurai Bhagavata for understanding with Acharya Krupai and Swami’s Raul..

Sarvam Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami thiruvadil Samarpanam.

Swami has said one should have Karunai ullam and look everyone as Jeevathmas beyond their Bodily appearance (religions), since BhagavAn is the one who put that JeevAthma inside a particular body, let it be any religion. Only thing that we should focus is “is everyone in any religion behaving GOOD as per God’s Rule book available in their own language with Strong Belief in GOD”.

Adiyen will post later the “Sri Vaishnava Lakshanam“, how one should behave and show Karunai. It’s beautiful from Swami’s upanyasam.

One of the thing, Swami Koorathazhwan has said in HIS 10 amendments:
“Dhushtanai Kandaal Dhoora Vilaghu, Mudibdhaal Nanmai Sei”
துஷ்டனை கண்டால் தூர விலகு, முடிந்தால் நன்மை செய்“.
So, let’s DISCARD any Unethical Persons of any religion (Hinduism or Christianity or Islam etc…).

All Sanatana Dharmis (Ethical Persons) of Any Religion (Hinduism or Christianity or Islam etc..) Ki Kai,?

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Dear Vikram BhagavAta,

1)

Please Listen & Follow to Swami’s Enpani #19 “Atma Samatvam”,

https://www.kinchit.org/kinchit-en-pani/

How we should look everyone as Athma beyond Bodily appearance and that bodily difference can be any religion, kulam, varna etc……A Chrsitian is alsoa  JeevAthma, a Muslim is also a JeevAThma and son on…….

Now, if we consider all are Athma’s, then the next question that arises in our mind is , why there are differences like Kulam, Jaathi etc…. and such differences  of rich, poor, Kulam, Jaathi  etc…is not a big issue when compared to the BAD & Good behavior due to ones Karmas/Vaasanaas, which can influence others. A Good person contact is Satvik, and Bad person contact is dangerous.

2)

So, in this case, please also Listen & Follow to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s Enpani #728 “Can we Debate on GOD”.

https://www.kinchit.org/kinchit-en-pani/701-750/

Where Swami says, BhagavAn takes Avataram to “Protect the GOOD and Destroy the BAD”, so it is not about Bodily Hinduism or Christianity or Islam or any religion, because a Bad person can be in any religion, so BhagavAn will protect any Good persons in any Religion. Also, Swami talks more points about BhagaVAn’s avatar as a Human, where we misunderstand & DISRESPECT BhagavAn and we think, HE is also like ordinary person and we behave foolish without identifying BhagavAn during HIS Human Avatar and we start debating about BhagavAn’s action as if BhagavAn has given responsibility to us to debate on other JeevAthmas. We know that, we already live with full of doubts, so we ask questions, then how come we can debate or judge on other JeevAthmas of any religion, when they are actually Property of BhagavAn and NOT a property of us. That’s why BHagavAn gives the Moksham giving responsibility to Karunai Acharyas and not to us, since we don’t look others as JevAthmas, we see bodily differences.

Also, please Listen & Follow to Enpani #20_Manas_Mithra_And_Virodhi” .

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Overall, 

So, it all about GOOD Behavior with faith in GOD, let it be any religion. So malicious behavior that is seen in any religion is condemnable, so BhagavAta need not to get into details of differences within other religions, since every religion has its own issues due to people not following their own Spiritual texts. That’s why GOD sends Spiritual Masters in each area/region/country to straighten or sort of the issues to channelize the path for Spirituality and Moksham.

So the Primary thing that we should focus in This Kali Yuga is “HOW TO BE A GOOD PERSON“, A good person who has faith in GOD in any religion is better than a Bad person in any religion. Let BhagavAn take care who should reach Moksham through which religion, and let’s only follow, the PATH that what BhagavAn has chosen for us in a view point that other Jeevathmas of any religion should also reach Moksham in SAME BIRTH and pray on our Guru’s lotus feet, whenever our Gyanam raises a bit.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey VAzhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Athma gunam is not easy Swamy. There can be only one Sukha brummam rest like me are all baddhAthmAs.

If somebody dies I will cry whereas athma gyAnis won’t.Sukhar did not feel for Parkishit’s departure

Whereas Ramanuja sambandhis have committed suicide after udayavar’s departure that’s the difference

We can talk of detachment and so on but in practice it’s next to impossible is adiyen’s observation

Even great people will get angry if I talk nonsense while anger should have been avoided by greats !!!

Yogi is different from sathsangam .

Yogi= Alone
Sathsangam= Group

There was a competition between who is greater Yogi or BhagavathA sathsangam between Vishwamitrar and Vashishtar respectively. Adiseshan was Judge.

After this don’t know what happened APN Swamy Upanyasam got over. Yesterday I saw Srimath BhAgavatham in SVBC2 instead of continuation.

Adiyen guess Vashishtar would have won. Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy may clarify.

When devareer is approached and said “Sri Ranganathan is our God’s salve” what will you do?

There ends the matter. I will react may be Mahans won’t.

Let’s be practical .

ShareerAthma bandham is fine. Even for a day I cannot be in full nirjala ekadashi.

Who said am not treating everybody equal? I do but with my own biased mind. Am not pre-conceived but trying to learn. What’s the proof that we are correct? Why should we call other religions agyAnis? May be they are correct and we are wrong but I will defend our Sampradhayam at any cost. It’s as simple as that.

My God is great because my acharyAs have said so. There is no proof which can substantiate my claim. Am not PeriyAzhwar to prove para brahmam. Unless I get the experience of amunushya Anandam from paramAthmA as Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy told in EnPaNi 1415 I will be like this only

Stree purusha bedham theriyadha alavirkku adiyen Anasuya Devi alla. Anasuya Devi PirAtti kku mummoorthigal kattu pattanar. Adhu yogam.

Adiyen bogi, rogi and not yogi. So perumala pathi thappa pesina Enakku kovam varum. En stylela badhil solli avala switch off Panna try pannuven Swamy

Thavaru irundhaal kshamikkavum
Sri Kongil PirAtti Swamy kku dandavat pranamam
????????

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“So we ignorant Bhaddhatmas cannot make Judegemt or Conclusion that it will take long time for someone and short time for someone else and who should get Moksham and question how BhagavAn gave Moksham to Shishupalan or Dhadhipandan or Naalooran or Gantakaranans brother etc…”

– Adiyen politely disagree. We baddhAthmAs not saying above it was said in Bhagavath Gita. Those who worship demi gods will take their own time Swamy. Jesus or Allah cannot give moksham by the way.

Adiyen not give own interpretation Swamy.

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“So Swami’s intention is Not to do Parihaasam (making fun) anyone of other religion since their Pamplet giving his not a crine, ” – Can we Hindus give Pamphlet in front of Church and Mosque? This question was asked by a car driver to adiyen.

They have minority protection law. Do we have?

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“Adiyen not sure, if BhagavAtas friends are core ethical followers of their own texts or not.” – The ex- colleague CLAIMED to be core follower. According to them they were correct

Adiyen think they know their religion better than us as they have their own stories like us. No offense just see the types Swamy as per Wikipedia

Christianity – 2.42 billion
Catholic Church – 1.285 billion.
Protestantism – 920 million.
Eastern Orthodox Church – 270 million.
Oriental Orthodoxy – 80 million.
Non-trinitarian Restorationism – 35 million.
Independent Catholicism – 18 million.
Minor branches – 3 million.

So who is core according to you Swamy?

Dasanudasan