Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami has clarified multiple times on various occasions.

Varna is different from caste (jaathi).

ChAthur Varna Maya srishta – Lord Krishna created Varna as per Srimad Bhagavath Gita.

According to Velukkudi Swamy “Varna is just a differentiation not a discrimination”.

It means a “soldier is called as a warrior” he cannot be called as a cobbler.

An educationist cannot be called a carpenter.

A carpenter cannot be called a doctor.

So classification is based on work we do not just by birth. If a brahmin doesn’t follow brahmam he is disqualified as a brahmin. It’s a long term regular routine called as anushtAnam.

The qualities some of them inherited by genes but unless we follow the quality is lost.

Eg: A singer’s son or daughter is a good singer (generally) it’s not a must though, that’s the point. As genes is affected by environmental factors as well as per science. The way we are brought up etc.

A brahmin if he sells Bata shoes he is not a brahmin (Quoting a brahmin politician’s Speech).

A businessman (Vaishya) is not a brahmin as the main focus is on money.

Rishi Vishwamitra being a Kshatriya became a Brahma Rishi and a brahmin because he followed the path of brahmam on a long term. This should be unadulterated.

Ofcourse this cannot be questioned because we all brahmins say the Gayathri mantra in sandhyavandanam which was gifted by Rishi Vishwamitra.

Velukkudi Krishnan Swami said “caste was created by us humans”.

We polluted it. That’s it.

To cut it short “Varna is a categorisation (differentiation) created by Krishna while caste system was created by humans for societal grading (discrimination)”.

Recently saw a video in WhatsApp, a famous restaurant (don’t want to name it) showcasing laddus showed a rat eating laddus. The video was captured & shared in cell phone.

This is what is called as achAram and anushtAnam by brahmins. It spoils the sAthvika path if we eat outside.

SAthvikam?
Path of brahmam

We cannot guarantee the cleanliness and routine of outsiders. This is mistaken as untouchability.

Let’s say you are on a diet routine to become lean, someone forces you to eat butter. Will you accept it? It becomes your prerogative.

That’s what is called as achAram. Brahmins feel they can reach brahmam faster by being sAthvik.

Anything that supports sAthvikam is acceptable and that doesn’t is unacceptable.

Apologies if said anything wrong.

Dasanudasan
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Reference EnPaNi 105 “Are all caste equal”?
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

En PaNi 101-150

Sri Baktha Mandharaya Namaha,

(Bakthar’galudan Anbudan Irukkum Swami Ramanujar’ai Vanangukiraen)

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Dear Bhaktas,

Thanks for the explanation and effort with reference to Swami’s Enpani #105 “All Castes are Equal”. 

Additionally from Swami’s Pravachanams.

Swami has said there are only TWO types of Jaathis  (Castes) as per Shastras.

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1) Bhakta Jaathi (Presently Bhakta),

2) Varungala Bhakta Jaathi (Future Bhakta).

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Like, we were “Varungala Bhakta Jaathi” in the past and transformed to “Bhakta Jaathi” due to Acharya Krupai/Sathvika Satsangam.

BhagavAn is NOT expecting each Varna to to do other Varnas Duties.

Swami has said, BhagavAn’s shristi of Varna classification is to do their own Varna/Kulam daily duties  (Nithya Karnas/Anushtanams) and  make HIM HAPPY (Anukoolyasya Sankalpam –> Do what BhagavAn LIKES) , which will lead to the PRIMARY FINAL goal “Moksham  (SriVaikuntam) with BhagavAn’s grace/Krupai.

So exhibiting ‘Talent (Gyanam)’ is not primary focus of life, rather being a ‘Bhakta (with Panivu)’ in whichever Varna/Kulam we are, is important for BhagavAn, since the Ultimate goal is to reach Moksham ‘SriVaikuntam (Permanent Happy Place for doing Kainkaryam)’ by following our own Varna/Kulam and defenitely with Acharya Krupai.

Here is a link to additional references  for similar question that was answered by a Bhakta referring to Swami’s Pravachanams.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/%e0%ae%ae%e0%ae%95%e0%ae%be%e0%ae%b2%e0%af%86%e0%ae%b7%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%ae%e0%ae%bf-2/

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Adiyen Acharya Dasan,

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

ParamaAthma Jaathiyil Irundhu,  Shathriya Kulathilaey Pirandhu, Yadhu Kula Varnathil Valarndhu, nammai kaakkum SRIKRISHNA BhagavAn ki Jai

Very much thanks for the information.It has proved quite helpful,but I have a doubt.
Most of the people I have seen do upanayanam,to a child/teen.So it looks like the society is following the birth rule.And what if a person suddenly decides not to be a brahmin,and wants to be a Vaishya instead?What if a Brahmin after becoming mature,decides he wants to pursue Law or War-Like a Kshatriya.Is it then,right if A brahmin decides to become Kshatriya after some thinking?I feel if everybody does this,society would go into chaos.So my question is:Can a person change his or her Varna,in some cases,after the threading ceremony?
I am not talking about a person who wants to change his Varna because he cannot adhere to ita rules.I am talking about a person,who is sincere,and who wants to pursue something else.
I apologize if I have said something wrong.
Thank You

Namaskaram!

Adiyean Ramanuja Dhasan.

Swamy. an excerpt from a short story from kid’s section.. might look silly but carries the real meaning in it..

A father had four children and paid equal attention and care to all. Of course, treated them all equally and well.

They differed in size, weight etc.,

Father allocated different works to the children according to their capability.

The fat boy was asked to carry heavy bag; the smaller kid was to carry a lighter bag and so on..

They were walking through the villages, jungles etc., All the four were following their Father.

The smaller boy, who always wished to try adventurous things,wanted to carry the big bag. He thought that if he carried the heavy bag then he would attract special attention from His father..)

or like “Anaivarum Archagar Aagalaam” paniyil.

However, the fat boy advised him that this was not suitable for him. The younger boy did not want to listen to him and voluntarily exchanged the bags.

On hearing some amiss at the back, their Father turned and saw this and advised the younger not to do so.

But, the younger adamantly continued to do so…. fell down to ground and injured seriously…

It took a while for the younger to return to normal life.

Moral: Do your destined duty…(Your Varna Ashram Dharmam)diligently; you will reap the benefits that is unknown to you.

Some mischievous might arise this: what if the fat one liked to carry lighter??..

Well, His father’s intention was that the fat boy to shed his weight- a benefit to him.  

Namaskaram!

Adiyean Ramanuja Dhasan.

Swamy. an excerpt from a short story from kid’s section.. might look silly but carries the real meaning in it..

A father had four children and paid equal attention and care to all. Of course, treated them all equally and well.

They differed in size, weight etc.,

Father allocated different works to the children according to their capability.

The fat boy was asked to carry heavy bag; the smaller kid was to carry a lighter bag and so on..

They were walking through the villages, jungles etc., All the four were following their Father.

The smaller boy, who always wished to try adventurous things,wanted to carry the big bag. He thought that if he carried the heavy bag then he would attract special attention from His father..)

or like “Anaivarum Archagar Aagalaam” paniyil.

However, the fat boy advised him that this was not suitable for him. The younger boy did not want to listen to him and voluntarily exchanged the bags.

On hearing some amiss at the back, their Father turned and saw this and advised the younger not to do so.

But, the younger adamantly continued to do so…. fell down to ground and injured seriously…

It took a while for the younger to return to normal life.

Moral: Do your destined duty…(Your Varna Ashram Dharmam)diligently; you will reap the benefits that is unknown to you. Our Father (Jagath Pitha)knows what to give and who to give.

Some mischievous might arise this: what if the fat one liked to carry lighter??..

Well, His father’s intention was that the fat boy to shed his weight- a benefit to him.  

There is no differentiation or partiality as all are equal. 

Brahmin from His Face

Shathriyan from His Bujam (shoulders)

Vaisyan from His (Thigh / Thodai)

Shouthran from His Lotus feet (the ultimate that all of whom want to hold on)

He created these for purpose but He NEVER differentiated these. when comes to equality.. as all are EQUAL.

Thank You again for so much information.

“Rishi Vishwamitra being a Kshatriya became a Brahma Rishi and a brahmin because he followed the path of brahmam on a long term.”

“Varna is not a shirt. Shastram doesn’t allow us to change. We do it for our convenience to earn money or for some purpose and it’s wrong.”

And in the other example,given by KomalSrini,the Father has given works to the people according to their capability.So,Bhagavan has given us work according to our capability.So then it is based on Birth,because as far as I have understood the answers,People have said that we shouldn’t change our Varna,and Shastras prohibit it.So is it fair for a Kshatriya like Vishwamitrar to become a brahmin or a saint?Isn’t he violating the Shastras?Or did I misunderstand something?

VikramInside has mentioned that a Singer’s son or daughter may not be A good Singer.May be,may not be.So like that,is it right for us to expect a Brahmin’s son or daughter to be a Brahmin?Or again have I misunderstood something?

“So exhibiting ‘Talent (Gyanam)’ is not primary focus of life, rather being a ‘Bhakta (with Panivu)’ in whichever Varna/Kulam we are, is important for BhagavAn, since the Ultimate goal is to reach Moksham ‘SriVaikuntam (Permanent Happy Place for doing Kainkaryam)’ by following our own Varna/Kulam and defenitely with Acharya Krupai.”

Karna,who many people thought was a Person from charioteer class,proved them all wrong,by following his natural instincts which told him he was a Kshatriya.He was adopted yes,and he did not have any knoweldge about that.But is it possible for a person like Karna,but who wasn’t adopted,but improved his talent?What about Ekalavya?Should he be considered a unrighteous person?

Please forgive me,if I am repeatedly asking the same question.I had these doubts,and will wait to clarify them.Thank you all for patiently answering my questions.

“A boy is very good in handling knife. He wants to do surgery, will he be accepted as a doctor? He is proved to be better in handling knife than original doctor and knows biology very well than a surgery specialist doctor. Such doctors are called fake. Am I right?”

It depends.A Boy who just is good in handling the knife,and knows biology very well cannot become a doctor.But if he knows the particular branch of biology,and knows the procedure,the very good in handling of knife actually becomes useless.But,I am sorry,since that is out of the topic.

So,then,in the above example,perhaps the boy really wants to learn how to perform surgery.He is ready to be patient and learn all the techniques,because he has a natural curiosity and wants to learn to help others.But,he has a different job/he is not supposed to do it.

So then,as far as I understood,a person born to a specific Varna, is required to discharge the duties of that Varna.He is not allowed to change the Varna,even if he develops an interest which is not selfish,that is he doesn’t want anything for himself,but to just learn it for the benefit of others.So the Shastras prohibit any change from one Varna to another.We are supposed to do the duties of our Varna which we are born into,and do it selflessly.

Please reply whether I have understood it correctly.

Thank You for Patiently answering my questions,daily.

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

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First of All, Thanks to Bhakta for asking Question with Open mind and Thanks to other Bhaktas for answering the question with Honesty about how we should adhere to Shastras/Vedas as much as possible and Treat All Varnas as Equal based on Swami’s Pavachanams.

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Dear Ram Bhakta,

For the additional Questions raised, adiyen will try to answer with Sri Velukkudi Swami anugraham/Acharya Krupai.

There are some fundamentals of Sanatana Dharmam that we need to understand and focus on base don Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Pravachanams.

Why BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan has created Shastras/Vedas.

1) Is it to keep following it and be in this Samsaram (Birth-Death Cycle) FOREVER, or

2) Is it to keep following it with a focus to get out of this Samsaram (Birth-Death cycle) and reach Moksham ‘SriVaikuntam’ IN THIS BIRTH.

In both cases, we would agree that following Shastras/Vedas makes BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan Happy. So, we MUST follow to the CAPACITY of what EACH of one of us Possess (called as YATHA SHAKTHI) with Acharya Krupai.

Then, everyone will agree that the Case2) should be our PERMANENT GOAL, since NO ONE LIKES to take RE-BIRTH, and if anyone likes Case1), then that needs to be revised.

So, Focussing on Case2) should be PRIMARY GOAL “DESTINATION” for every one of us who has taken birth in this Janma.

Swami has said in Upanyasams that, the focus should be to follow Shastras/Vedas AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE (Mudinthadhai AAndhanayum Seyya Vaendum) and understand that “we have Taken this Birth and we should realize that We shouldnot take next birth (PIRAVIYIN PAYAN PIRAVAAMAI)”.

So, how to achieve the Case2).

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For Reaching Moksham ‘SriVaikuntam’, BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan has created TWO PRIMARY MARGAMS (PATHS) for us to Follow.

A) Karma-Gyana-Bhaki Yoga Margam

B) Sharanagathy Margam

For type A) margam, Varna Ashrama Dharmam SHOULD be ADHERED STRICTLY with no leverage as per Shastras/Vedas, since in Bhakthi-Yoga Maargam, we DIDNOT do FULL Surrender.

We did ONLY ANGA PRAPATTI means, we are asking Sriman Narayanan to erase the Paapapm that is Hindarance to Start the Bakthi, then remaining we are telling BhagvAN that, I will do Tapas by myself and attain YOU.

So in Type-A margam, our Effort is 50% and BhagavAn effort is 50%. Hence, BhagavAn is UPSET, since we not telling HIM to take care of full 100% of us.

For type B) margam, Varna Ashrama Dharmam is not a means to MOKSHAM, since we do 100% Total SURRENDER (called as SWATHANTRA PRAPATTI) through Acharyan ThiruvAdi and telling our AASAI that, let Sriman Narayanan be the FULL CONTROLLER for adiyen’s MOKSHAM ‘SriVaikuna Praapthi’. So a Sharanagathan (Ramanuja Sambandhi) follows ALL the Acharam/Anushtanams as a KAINKARYAM (Sathvika Time-Pass) till the body falls down in this Janma).

A Sharanagathan following a particular Varna Ashramam Dharmam like Brahman, Or Shatriya Or Vaishya Or Non-Brahman, may not be able to comply to all the Anustanmas/Nitya Karmas for their Prescribed Varna Ashrama Dharma.

So, we “PRAY and REPENT” to BhagavAn for things that we couldn’t do in our own Varna Ashrama Dharma, but comply as much as possible to the Varna Ashrama Dharma that we are born. Then, BhagavAn is Pleased, why because, HE are expressing our Helplessness with Panivu (Humbleness).

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Why because, JeevAthma is “Sheshan/Servant” of BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan, who is the “Sheshi/Master”.

JeevAthma’s nature is to follow BhagavAn’s Instructions and Serve him.

The goal of JeevAthama (JeevAthma Swaroopam) is to do:

* Sheshatvam (Absolute Servitude) &

* Parathantriyam (Inseperable Dependence/Obey)

to Sriman Narayanan.

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BhagavAn’s has DICTATED in Shastras/Vedas and in Granthams on how a JeevAthama have to COMPLY to Sriman Narayan interests and NOT Live for their own interests.

So, Yes, We should not change Varna Ashramam, since PLEASING BHagavAn is important by following Shastras/Vedas and Pleasing our own interests to be avoided.

In Brahman Varna, all Brahman’s cannot become Koil Archargar, since a Brahman has to be born in a particular “Kulam” to be a Koil Archagar. Can anyone from the remaining 3 Varnas be a Archargar. The answer is NO, since BhagavAn has NOT said it in SHastras/Vedas. BhagavAn decides which JeeevAthma needs to be given which Varna body and within that VArna, which Kulam is to be provided for that JeevAthma. This will depend up on the JeevAThmas past Karma as well, but BhagavAN is the final DECISION Maker.

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* NamAlwar is a Non-Brahman Varna (Vellalar) –> A Hardened Devotee of Sriman Narayanan.

* Swami Thirukatchi Nambigal (Ramanujar’s one of GyanaAasiriyar) is a Vaishya Varna–> A hardended devotee of Kanchipuram Varadharaja Perumal.

* KulaShekara Alwara is a Shatriya Varna —> A Hardened devotee of Shri Rama

* Swami Ramanujar is a Brahman Varna –> Hardened devotee of ALL ALWARS and ALL Thaya-Perumal.

So, if we have Talent or attain more skill, then that should be utilized for BhagavAt Kainkaryam by being a BAKTHA looking at our PoorvAcharyas/Alwars and not focussing on changing Varna/Kulam, rather Satisfying BHagavAn Sriman Narayanan by following whichever Varna/Kulam we are in is important. So How to satisfy BhagavAn. BhagavAn has said, if we follow Shastras/Vedas, then “I’M PLEASED”. Finally, with BhagavAn’s KARUNAI ULLAM, HE decides to give Moksham “Sri Vaikuntam” for that JeevAThma.

So the END goal “DESTINASTION” is to REACH SriVaikuntam and not to DWELL around the Varna system, since Varna system is only a MEANS to satisfy BhagavAn and that itself is not a destination.

“Our Interests NEEDS to be IN-LIEU with BhagavAn’s Sankalpam (Shastras/Vedas). If not, we need to learn How to dismiss our interests and follow BhagavAn’s interests which is nothing but the Shastras/Vedas”.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Adiyen Acharya Dasan,

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Adiyen Alwar Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

RUKMINI Thayar Samedha SRIKRISHNA BhagavAN ki Jai.