Adhering sanyasa ashrama dharman without consent of wife correct?

Updated on November 10, 2019 in Acharyas
9 on June 19, 2017

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen going to ask a big question. Adiyen’s bharya asked me, ” Big Acharyas like Sri Raghavendra (after seeing movie), Swami Ramanuja even Asmad Acharyan accept sanyasam without wife’s / family’s consent. Then what is the meaning of promising on fire during marriage”?

Adiyen don’t have proper answer. Just cannot say the cause is bigger, srivaishnavam greater than family etc and justify it. Adiyen not convinced.

We cannot break a Sathya prathingyna for another. It becomes dharma sankatam.

Adiyen

 
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0 on June 21, 2017

If this question is incorrect and leading to vimarsanams this can be closed. Adiyen don’t have rights to question activities of Acharya purushas as per dharma Shastram

Kshamikkanum
Dasanudasan

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Hare Krishna! Namaskaram!

Bg 18.66

 

ஸர்வ–தர்மான் பரித்யஜ்ய
மாம் ஏகம் ஷரணம் வ்ரஜ
அஹம் த்வாம் ஸர்வ–பாபேப்யோ
மோக்ஷயிஷ்யாமி மா ஷுச:
 
Translation: 
 
எல்லாவிதமான தர்மங்களையும் துறந்து, என்னிடம் மட்டுமே சரணடையவாயாக. உன்னை எல்லா பாவ விளைவுகளிலிருந்தும் நான் விடுவிக்கின்றேன், பயப்படாதே.
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2 on June 24, 2017

Swami,

Thanks but dharmam is classified SAmAnya dharman, Visesha Dharman. May be it comes in visesha dharmam.

This question is too serious to be considered for answering in adiyen’s opinion.

The reason for Mahaans to come out of grihastham is usually to cater to dried souls like us. Else we will not get such great Acharyas.

Some mahans do cater while in grihastham (such as Sri Parashara Bhattar, Sri Velukkudi Swamy) .

There are rules for taking sanyasam my father used to say.

Sanyasam adherence differs in philosophy for Advaiti and vishistadvaiti.

Adi Shankarar came from bachelor hood (Brahmacharyam) while Udayavar came from Family life (Grihastham)

They leave everything or become detached from regular life. It’s difficult to understand the transition from within family life.

“Kaasikki pogum sanyasi un kudumbam ennaagum nee yosi” song is coming to my mind.

I think only for mother some exception is there.

The question was not about the one who takes sanyasam. The question was from the perspective of dependent girl.

From her side the fear seems to be correct. We gents always speak from our side.

“Ungala nambi dhana Kalyanam pannen, ipdi vitutu pona enna artham”?

Seri, let’s assume if ladies start taking sanyasam. What will happen? I keep hearing the term SAdhvi a feminine form of sadhu.

As per dharma shastram, wife gets half the Karma palan of husband. So if husband does Thiru aaradhana, wife cleans utensils and participates (Ref: Velukkudi Swami). From whatever husband does wife get’s a share. She need not do Thiru aaradhana in prescribed form seperately.

What will happen when husband gets sanyasam? What if ladies start telling I will leave family life?

Too much confusion

Dasoham

on June 24, 2017

Hare Krishna! Aneka kodi namaskaram Swami!

Adiyen agrees its a serious topic for discussion but still would like to share few points on what has been read/heard on this topic, though Adiyen is not qualified to speak. Ethenum thavaru irunthaal mannikkavum. 

Saranagathi (complete and ‘unconditional’ surrender) [a.k.a ‘Aatma nivedanam’] is a state that only very Jiva’s achieve (Acharya/Mahan). In that state, the devotee is not different from Bhagavan [Bhagavan and devotee are one and the same]. Adiyen is not speaking advaitam but just indicating state of consciousness of Jiva, willing to surrender even the ‘minute’ independence to the lord.

In that state, there is realization that, husband does not take care of wife OR wife does not take care of husband, but its Bhagavan who takes care of every living being in all the universes. Ennil adankatha prabanjakalaiyum, athilulla uyirgalaiyum kakkum bhagavan, antha sadhu kudumbathai kakkamal vittu viduvara ?

Since common man thinks its the individual who take cares of the family, the question arises as to who will take care of the family ? We are only instruments, if this instrument is not there, bhagavan will arrange for a different instrument. So there is no question of dharma in that state, since ‘complete surrender’ is the ‘highest’ dharma. 

Bhagavan gita 11.33 எனவே, எழுந்து போரிடத் தயாராகு. உனது எதிரிகளை வென்று, புகழுடன் வளமாக அரசினை அனுபவிப்பாயாக. எனது ஏற்பாட்டால் இவர்கள் அனைவரும் ஏற்கனவே மரணத்தைக் கண்டுவிட்டனர். எனவே, ஸவ்யஸாசியே, போரில் ஒரு கருவியாக மட்டும் செயல்படுவாயாக.

Varnasrama darma must be followed till that state is achieved. Once that state is achieved, there is no other dharma. But ‘karma’ will not leave anyone, who falsely renounces the world without ‘actually’ attaining it. Swami in upanyasam cracks a joke that, a husband who is upset with wife, walking out of home, to relax is not ‘sanyasam’ 🙂 Adiyens’  extension to the joke – Night dinner will only be prepared by the better half and available at home 🙂

Adiyen.

 

on June 27, 2017

Dhanyosmi Swami,

“antha sadhu kudumbathai kakkamal vittu viduvara” – Narayana Narayana Narayana

Nambala nalla vechunda Acharyan family Nanna irukkanum

Dasanudasan

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0 on July 22, 2017

Aneka Kodi Namaskarams of Adiyen Srinivasan Pranesh.

Understanding from my little brain. I did have this question in mind several times. In olden days, the stages of life as per Vedas were Brahmachary, Grihasta, Vanaprasta and Sanyasa. Sanyasa is not leaving wife and family but detachment from family life in the mind level, which can be practiced along with wife.

We can state many examples from Vedic period like, Vasishtar-Arundhati, Gowthamar-Ahalya etc. Even Janaka Maharaja was a great gnani. Though he was a king, he lived like a sanyasi with wife.

However, leaving the wife to practice Sanyasa after marriage is the one mostly followed in Kailyuga.

This may be because, the life of man of Kaliyuga is short unlike man lived several thousand years in former yugas and hence a dedicated life to spread dharma is required. Further, wife of Kaliyuga may not co-operate like wife in Vedic period as everyone are desire filled and may not match our frequency.

Mostly in case of Acharyas, Sanyasa is taken after consent from God or Acharyan. If one receives consent of God, then nothing is bigger than this. However, we ourselves shall not assume that Sanyasa is correct for ourselves and leave wife without a reason.

In case of Bagavad Ramanujar, he took Sanyasa only after consent from Shri Varadharaja Swamy. His wife was also not co-operative in spreading dharma and was attached to caste sentiments. Further Bagavad Ramanujar was born to become an Acharya. That is the purpose of his life.

In case of Shri Raghavendra Swamy, he was not convinced by his Guru’s words as he was concerned about permission of his wife. Lordess Saraswathy appeared in front of him and said, he was Prahalatha and Vyasaraja Theerthar in previous births and ordered him to accept Sanyasa. 

In genuine cases of Sanyasa as i understand, Sanyasa has been accepted only after consent of God or an Acharyan but no one took Sanyasa just because they thought to do so….

In my understanding, one may practice Sanyasa along with wife, if wife is co-operative to our thoughts. Such a dharma patni is a boon given by God. In cases, we may receive order from God or Acharya to accept Sanyasa which would be a special case if it is purpose of one’s birth.

To accept Sanyasa before marriage, a great Vairagya is required. Vairagya is derived from the word Viraga. Raga means desire and Viraga means desireless. If we accept Sanyasa before marriage and suddenly feel at the death moment that, “I am leaving this world without tasting Samsara”, it becomes an obstruction for Moksha and we will be born again to taste Samsara sukha. We need not necessarily be a Sanyasi to attain Moksha. But, it is essential to be satisfied in life without desires. So, it is better to undergo Samsara cycle and satisfy desires, parallely practicing Narayana smaranai from childhood and follow Sanyasa along with wife till end. In special cases, Lord will let us know, in which case, taking care of the family after one’s Sanyasa is also responsibility of Lord. For that matter, no one have the responsibility of taking care of self or others. All responsibilities lie with Him.  

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Narayana

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1 on November 8, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Swami’s,

 

To clear everyone’s mind blowing confusion about “What is Sanyasam?”, adiyen will share from Swami’s upanyasams with Acharyan ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami Aasirvadham.

The standard Saamaya Artham as per Vedic Tradition of Sanyasi refers only to Male Brahama’s,, but the Vishesha artham The Definition of SANYASAM as detailed by Swami Ramanujar is as follows,

Sanyasam = Samyak + Nyasam.

  • Samyak means Perfect or Accurate
  • Nyasam means Surrender or Prapatti or Sharanagathy

So, One who has surrendered themselves (Athma) or Retured BhagavAn Sriman NarayAn’s stolen property (Athma) which we claimed for long janmas as ours, back to HIS Lotus feet is a Sanyasi. So male or female , or 1st varna or 2nd varna or 3rd varna or 4th varna or any other varnas, either kid or adult or Brahmachari or Gruhastha or Anyone is a Sanyasi , if they have surrendered their Athma on BhagavAn Sriman NarayAnan’s lotus feet through Athma Nivedhanam/Samasrayanam/Prapatthi.

 

Hence, “Sanyasi” means “ANY Prapannan” who is in BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA’s lotus feet for Kainkaryam. So Don’t worry. Any Prapannan who is in the role of Husband, Wife, Kids all get Moksham due to Acharya Anugraham is what Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami has graced us in the past.

 

Swami Mudhali Aadan is a Gruhastra Acharyan, Swami Vedanta Desikan is a Gruhasta Acharyan etc……

Swami Ramanujar took Sanyasam during HIS time was for a special purpose, since there were lot of Saamanya Sanyasis at that time who had narrow mind that, “Moksham was only for few”. So inorder to bring reformation on the standard Vedic following Sanyasis, Swami had to take up Sanyasam inorder to get into those Lion den’s to bring reformation that “Moksham is for all”. Swami Ramanujar’s PoorvA Asharama Patthni (Wife) Srimathi ThanjamAmbaal is already in Moksham due to Swami Ramanujar Sambhamdham due to initial marriage. It is a Rahaysa Artham between VaradhaRaja Perumal, Swami Ramanujar & Smt ThanjamAmbaal. So Swami Ramanuajr’s Sanyasam was for a special purpose, so that the later generations (we all of any gender/varna/caste/age) could get Moksham due to BhagavAt Anugraham.

 

Kurai Irundhaal, adiyenai kShamikka Prarthikkiren,

Nirai Irundhaal, Acharyan ThiruvAdi Bhalathaal and Velukkudi Swami Aasirvadhathaal.

 

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

on November 10, 2019

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