Azhwars and Acharyas

Updated on October 12, 2019 in Azhwars
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Sriramajayam

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Namaskaram Swamy,

Adiyen is an ardent devotee of Swamy for the past ten years. Thank you very much Swamy for clarifying many doubts through EnPani discourses. Adiyen kindly requests Swamy to clarify these doubts.

1) Swamy used to mention in discourses that Azhwars and Acharyas were born as Amsangal of certain Nithyasurigal. For example,
Sri Poigai Azhwar as amsam of Sri Sankham

Sri Thirumazhasai Azhwar as amsam of Sri Sudharsana Chakram

Sri Periyazhwar as amsam of Sri Garudan

Swamy Ramanuja as amsam of Sri Adiseshan and Pancha aayudhangal

Swamy Koorathazhwar as amsam of Srivatsam

Adiyen’s doubt is how it is being derived that Azhwars and Acharyas are Amsangal of such and such Nithyasurigal?

2) Once a jivathma reaches Sri Vaikuntham, it has no connection with this leelaviboothi.
We offer our prayers to Archa Moorthigal of Azhwars and Acharyas. When we pray to them here in leelaviboothi, will they know that we are offering our prayers to them?

How do Azhwars and Acharyas bless us when they are as Archa Moorthigal?

Please consider these doubts and clarify them Swamy.

Adiyen,

Venkhatesh.

 
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3 on October 1, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Adiyen had same doubt. When achAryan physically leaves us how Swamy does anugraham as archai? But Udayavar had thAn ugandha thirumeni, thamar ugandha thirumeni.

Our entire Sampradhayam revolves around saguNa SavisEsha Para Brahmam. AchAryan anugraham vechu thAn solla mudiyum. We can’t measure things we cannot visualise usually.

Archai is the form Veda says as one in five forms. So definitely the arul will be there is adiyen’s understanding

For technicalities only Swamy can say

Dasanudasan

2) Once a jivathma reaches Sri Vaikuntham, it has no connection with this leelaviboothi. We offer our prayers to Archa Moorthigal of Azhwars and Acharyas. When we pray to them here in leelaviboothi, will they know that we are offering our prayers to them?

– Swami has clearly in his upanyasams, whatever we do our acharyas and elders is not to satisfy them especially if they are nitya sooris or mukthathmas but to make Perumal happy by following his instructions as given in the sastras. 

on October 4, 2019

Sri:

Enakennamo kooda irukkirar nu dhAn thondradhu. Adhai uNarthiyum irukkirar en AchArya Swamy Sri Rangaramanuja Mahadesikan Sri MushNam Andavan AchAryan.

Perumal mediate pandrArA nu therila but adiyen still experiencing the connect.

There is something in between this material and non material as meta physical world. Definitely not the Tamas we know. Something different adiyen feel.

“Tamasa ParamO DhAthA Shanku Chakra Gadha Dhara:”

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

on October 8, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Thank you very much Swamy for clarifying this doubt through EnPani 1522

Adiyen

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Beautiful answer Badri Narayana Dasan Swami. Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami has elaborated Devareer’s understanding due to Acharya Arul in Enpani 1522.

“– Swami has clearly in his upanyasams, whatever we do our acharyas and elders is not to satisfy them especially if they are nitya sooris or mukthathmas but to make Perumal happy by following his instructions as given in the sastras. ”

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

on October 10, 2019

All glories to Sri Velukkudi Swamigal?
Adiyen

on October 10, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha
Namaskaram
Adiyen kindly request Swamy to highlight upon the first question.

How it is being derived that Azhwars and Acharyas are born as Amsangal of various Nithyasurigal?

Adiyen

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1 on October 11, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram VeSwami,

 

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Aasirvadham, adiyen will share some similar instances on how the Alwars or Acharyas are derived as Amsam of Nithya Sooris or BhagavAn himself.

 

Basically Alwars or Acharyas are also JeevAthmas in this Samsaram, but they are ELITE JeevAthmas, who are handpicked by EmperumAn Sriman NarayanAn and then Blessed by HIM for special purpose to Uplift other JeevAthmas like us.

 

So, based on each Azhwars life style or divine works, it is derived or termed later as they are whose amsam etc……This is adiyen’s understanding from reading SriVaihnava blogs and Swami’s Sorpozhivu.

 

As an example:

‘1) Perumal took various avatharam in various yuga’s in various Varna’s, but Primarily One Avatar Purusha takes Divine form in each Varna

  • As a brahmin in Kretha yuga – son of Athri & Jamadagni’s  as Dattatreyan,
  • As a Kshatriya in Thretha yugam as SriRam,
  • As a Vaisya in Dwapara yugam as SriKrishna,
  • As a non-brahmin (Vellalar), in Kali yugam as Nammazhwar.

So considering BhagavAn’s Statement in In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says that He is as Saama veda among the veda’s. Thiruvaimozhi is the Saama veda Saram which was Given by Swami NammAzhwar . Such is the greatness. Hence Swami NammAzhwar is “Trishna Krishna Tatvam”. So NammAzhar is equal to BhagavAn SriKrishna HIMSELF is the conclusion or derivation. One can understand more about Swami Nammazhwar from the work called “Acharya GranthAm” written by Azhagiya perumal Nayanar.

 

 

‘2) Now when Swami NammAzhwar is considered as BhagaVAn SriKrishna (Sriman NarayanAn) himself, then there should be AadhiSheshan (Sleeping Bed, Shadow etc….Nindraal Kudayaam, Irundhaal Singasanamaam etc……) and there should be Garuda Alwar as well along with BhagavAn. Hence the thiruppuLiyAzhwAr (divine tamarind tree) is considered/derived as Aadhi Sheshan. Also Madhurakavi AzhwAr appeared in chaithra mAsam, chithrA nakshathram in thirukkOLUr. Just like sun’s rays appear before the sun itself, he appeared just before nammAzhwAr’s divine appearance. Looking at his greatness, in “dhivya sUri charitham”, Swami garuda vAhana pandithar glorifies him as an amsam of “kumudha gaNEshar” or “garudAzhwAr” (though AzhwArs were handpicked from samsAram by emperumAn and divinely blessed by Him).

 

 

‘3) Also Swami Ramanujar during HIS Avatram period, there are several incidents in the GuruParamparai which makes one tell Swami was Aadhi Shehan avatram with pancha Ayudham or avataram of BhagavAn himself. Like in Thondanoor, Swami put a curtain between Him and the 1000 Bhouddha vedantis, and then Swami took 1000 heads form on the other side of curtain answering all the 1000 persons questions. Hence Swami is derived as Aadhi Sheshan amsam. Also, Swami is being considered as BhagavAn SriKrishnna Himself, since Srimathi Kanthimathi and Kesava Somayaji asked PaarthaSaarathi Perumal for a Child who is like HIM, so BhagavAN decided there is No one Equal to Me or Abobe Me, so HE took the form of Swami Ramanujar. This is being said is “Yatharja Mangalam” as “Sheshova Sainya Nathova SriPathirvethi Saatvikaihi……(means Swami is Aadhi Sheshan avataram? or Vishvaksenar avataram or avataram of SriLakshmi’s Husband).

 

Similarly other Maha Purushas derivations, adiyen believe……

 

Kurai Irundhaal, Velukudi Sri Krishnan Swami adiyenai kShamikka Prarthikkiraen,

Nirai irundhaal, Acharyan ThiruvAdi Bhalatthaal,

 

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayaAcharyar) Dasan.

on October 11, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Adiyen sincerely thank Swamy for clarifying the doubt

Adiyen

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0 on October 12, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

நன்று வெங்கடேஷ் சுவாமி.

Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami is the “Owner” of the subject that adiyen posted, and Adiyen is only a “Processor” hand-picked the subjects from Sr Vaishnava blogs and Swami’s upanyasams with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam. It’s a mere coincidence and adiyen is a learner.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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