Benefit of kainkaryam

Updated on April 27, 2022 in Divyadesams
16 on April 22, 2022

Namaskaram.

At Tirumala, near moolastanam, many sevaks do kainkaryam of ordering the queue. Doing kainkaryam is considered good, that too at that specific place. Many know how the queues are maintained. Every devotee is physically pushed.

One aspect is that due this action, the other devotees are able to get the dharshan a bit quicker and provide the dharshan for the remaining devotees slotted for that day.

But in the process, many devotees are unable to get a clear and a bit longer dharshan, hence are not happy.

Though, it is kainkaryam, whether such action of pushing and making devotees unhappy will fetch the benefit of kainkaryam in full?.

adiyen

Srivaishnava dasan

 
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Swamy, it depends on the ‘real’ attitude of the individual engaged in that service.

If he is actually doing it with a sense of duty and devotion to the Lord, the Lord rewards with more service accordingly. If he is actually doing with a sense of anger, pride or such negative feelings, Perumal rewards future services accordingly. 

We can not figure out with what attitude each devotee is doing that service. But the Ataryaami Lord knows it all precisely!

Let us give benefit of doubt and think all of them are doing with sense of duty and devotion; because if we think like that, that will please our Perumal.

adiyen dasan.

on April 24, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Jarigandi bhakthi kku munnadi namma bhakthi onnumey kidaiyaadhu

Nee perumaalai paathiya? Nu kaekka maatta

Ava kaeppa,

“Perumala unna pathaaraa”?

Dasanudasan

on April 24, 2022

Paathiya nu solla kudathu
Sevichaya nu sollanumnu Amma correct pannuva
But

Pashyanthi kku paakaradhu dhaaney artham

Indha idathil adhu dhan rhyminga irukkum

Dasanudasan

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2 on April 23, 2022

Resp. Sri. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy,

Delighted to get an enpani audio #2450 on this query.
Thank you very much.

adiyen

on April 23, 2022

I am still at Thirumala.

Would like to post some experience, after reaching home.

on April 24, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Swamy,
Adding to our Swamy’s answer, adiyen remembered

Jaya Vijaya episode

& the consequence
So it is not new

In fact in Iskcon upanyasam of Suprabhatham, they say same effect of tirumala Jarigandi applies in Sri Vaikuntham.

Enakku adhulayum oru doubt,
Sometime back Tirumala did not have that much crowd it seems and people were requested to do Kalyana sevai with Big laddu prasadam

Does it mean, in SriVaikuntham Perumal has ekAntham too? 🤔

Appo sadA pashyanthi sooraya: adi padumey 🤔?

Dasanudasan

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8 on April 24, 2022
Jaya Vijaya episode & the consequenceFrom vikraminside

In that episode, sanaka brothers are the visitors, here the devotees are the visitors. In such case, can the devotees follow the footsteps of munis sanaka, i.e., cursing those who is pushing?. This is what struck in my mind and queried, whether the sevaks will the reap the benefit of doing kainkaryam.

I remember, about 35+ years back, we were fortunate to go closer than today and had comfortable dharshan. Because of the swelling in numbers of the visiting devotees, things have changed drastically.

I am not talking of simply saying, “jaragandi”, which is acceptable, without touching. They used to pull the hand and push the devotee to the side. On two different occasions, my elder brother carrying kid and my father in law were pushed like this, lost their balance and managed from falling. This time, they keep their hand at the hip and push, which is atleast safer.

The administrators, join two or more queues at different locations. These devotees, once allowed to join other queue, inherent weakness, run to join. Fortunately, so far nothing untoward has happened.

I understand there is a need to manage the queue, so that all the visitors slotted for that day gets the dharshan. I have noticed the statistical display at Thirumala, mentioning 19.7 lakhs devotees visited during the month of March 2022. It works out to about a whopping 2.32 crores / year. I just estimated the time one gets for dharshan based on this, considering 20 hours of dharshan / day and three lines running parallelly for dharshan. It works out to 3.4 sec / devotee. Considering the distraction due to sevaks’s action, height of the other devotees in front etc., this time will be still much less.

Many of these visitors plan atleast two months prior, several used to put money in hundi and save (at their home) exclusively to go to ThiruVengadam. Whether such devotees will get satisfaction with such treatment and less than 4 secs of dharshan time?.

Probably, due to the available space, agama rules, Devastanam board which is a big unit, is unable to provide longer dharshan times. If something is done in this angle, the devotees will be happy, they have the facilities.

I have told Him, why can not He improve this for the benefit of the visiting devotees. May be, only Divine intervention will help.

I left the shrine, thinking that, it is not how long I could get dharshan is important, it is that I have exposed to Him and He has seen me matters.

Sri Venkatesaya namah!

adiyen

why can not He improve this for the benefit of the visiting devoteesFrom SriVaishnava dasan

அவர் பெயரில் எந்த குற்றமும் இல்லை ஸ்வாமி! தன்னால் ஆனது ஏதோ ஆங்காங்கு பல கோவில்களில் அர்சாவதாரமாக நிற்கிறார். அங்கெல்லாம் அவருக்கு ஏகாந்தமாக பல சேவைகள் செய்ய வாய்பளித்து காத்திருக்கிறார். நமது வேளுக்குடி ஸ்வாமி போன்ற பக்தர்கள் வாயிலாக “அங்கு திருமலையில் இருக்கும் அதே ஸ்ரீநிவாச பெருமாள்தான் இந்த சிறு கோவில்களிலும் இருக்கிறார். திருமலையை காட்டிலும் இங்கு சேவைக்கு அதிகமாக வாய்பளிக்கிறார். ஆந்தனையும் செய்யுங்கள்” என்று கூவி கூவி பார்க்கிறார். 

ம்ம்ம்ஹூம். நாம் கேட்ட பாடில்லை! ஏனோ அந்த ஏழுமலையில் நிற்கும் அவரிடம் காணும் மவுசும் brand valueவும் இந்த சிறு கோவில்களில் நிற்கும் அவரிடத்தில் காண நாம் மறுக்கிறோம். (லட்டு காரணமோ?)

As you rightly said, “only Divine intervention can help”. But He is determined not to interfere with our freewill! So, He is not going to intervene in this matter any further. Unless we take the words of our acharyas seriously, start seeing His full manifestation in the innumerable small temples and avail the unlimited opportunity to serve there, patronise those temples and contribute (through service and resource) to making those temples more accessible to more devotees, things are not going to change. 

Reminds me of Sujatha Rangarajan’s short story “Thimala”.

https://www.valaitamil.com/thimala_1719.html

adiyen dasan.  

 

on April 25, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

After Sriman Narayana came, they both mutually exchanged sorry

“can the devotees follow the footsteps of munis sanaka, i.e., cursing those who is pushing”

Like Lakshmana & Sugriva asked sorry

Why mistake later ask sorry? Let’s allow them to do their duties.

Dasanudasan

on April 25, 2022

SriVaishnava dasan,

Swamy are they asking corona vaccine certificate?

Dasanudasan

on April 25, 2022

Understood,

“Whether such devotees will get satisfaction with such treatment and less than 4 secs of dharshan time?.”

Perumal nammala katAkshikkardhu dhan mukkhiyam. It applies for everybody.

From admin point of view, no comments from my end. Am not sure how it works. They started giving timed dharshan to streamline.

Please inform the office about devareer’s experience. They should consider it.

Dasanudasan

on April 25, 2022

Apdi paathaa aththi Varadhar dharshan was a complete mess in my opinion.

I waited 40 years but could not get dharshan.

Thalli mullu illama proper dharshan admins should manage. I agree.

Dasanudasan

on April 25, 2022

@Kambandasan Swamy,

I should be பிரபல ரௌடி or நயன்தாரா or Politician or hold VIP Pass

Correct Perumal வெறும் அர்சா மூர்த்தி தானே அவர் என்ன பண்ணுவார்?

Dasanudasan

on April 27, 2022

@Kambandasan Swamy,

You have mainly concentrated on service, I was speaking from the point of view of devotees coming for dharshan.

விடிவு காலம் இல்லையா.

@Vikram swamy,

They have not asked for vaccination certificate during our visit. The requirements can change at any time there. They checked Adhaar.

When sanaka munis cursed Jaya and Vijaya, Perumal came out and did not say munis should not have cursed. He allowed the curse. That is His decision. 

I hope they would have done lot analysis on the crowd management. A proper management, if necessary with scientific analysis, without making fuss at different locations in the queue, training the securities, volunteers to deal / speak politely etc., may have to be done. Who will bell the cat. Not me. Only people at higher level or distinguished personalities can influence the board.

on April 27, 2022

I had Aththi varadhar dharshan 40+ years back, waited for 2 hrs in queue, it was hassle free.

Second time, I did not want to try considering the huge crowd reported. But, I happened to be in that vicinity (within 250 m) to attend a function. I tried VIP dharshan, took 45 min, though crowded should say it was ok. Nevertheless, He gave me the opportunity of almost one minute, very close dharshan, cherished.

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0 on April 26, 2022

Om Namo Venkatesaya!

Namaskaram Swamy, Tirumala’s divinity is beyond words and practical lessons on Srivaishnavism are directly taught by Him there. His Karunai, affection towards devotees is beyond our imagination – Daya Sagaram. Similarly His devotees’ affection towards Him is also immense. Many devotees from far far away villages come by walk from their villages , follow strict austerities , taking 10+ days to reach Tirumala , walking in hot sun and get immense joy just by having that few seconds glimpse with all that pull, push. Many just try to offer whatever they have in their hands when HE comes out on procession, craving “will you please accept this Govinda”! I stop here as the rest we will know by experience. There are special darshan tickets – free of cost available for Senior citizens I.e. above 65 years of age , differently abled and persons with severe medical conditions. May 2022 slots are available now to book online if anyone need it. Volunteers will be there to help them during darshan as required.

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