Can we teach Sandhya Vandhanam and Gayatri to others?

Updated on August 4, 2017 in Daily rituals and practice
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Namaskarams of Adiyen Srinivasan Pranesh.

One of my friends is a non-brahmin and is interested to learn and practise Sandhya Vandhanam and Gayatri, on hearing me saying that other Varnas were also practicing these in olden days.

I told him that Brahma Upadesam should be done by father and only then it gets fulfilled. He already lost his father and asks me to casually teach him how to do Sandhya Vandhanam and chant Gayatri.

Does our sastras permit people to teach them to others casually without proper rituals? Can we teach irrespective of Varna, while his father and forefathers never worn sacred thread despite being born in a Varna which has rights to wear?

Does one need Poonool to perform Sandhya and Gayatri or they can perform without these?

 
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Hare Krishna! Aneha koti namaskaram Swami!

Though Adiyen is not qualified to comment on the question, would like to share few opinion based on the learning by lord’s mercy.

Perhaps it will help to know, why swami’s friend is interested to learn this ? If the objective is to get closer to the lord, he can very well practice what is prescribed for kaliyug – Naama sangeerthan, chanting holy names of the lord, perform nivedyam and read scriptures etc., 

If sacred thread is prescribed as prerequisite for performing sandya vandanam/gayatri then it would be wise not to break it. As swami would know, every custom/ritual from tradition has a meaning/reason and it would be best to follow as advised/prescribed.

Sarvam Krishnaarpanam!

on July 27, 2017

Swamy. Aneka Koti Namaskarams.

Thank you very much for taking time to respond.

Adiyen
Srinivasan Pranesh

on July 29, 2017

Dasoham,

Adherence is as important as performing a ritual. After eating non-veg if one says Gayathri it will have reverse effect.

The vedic mantras it chanted correctly it pays off. Like flame burning tip of finger whether we touch knowingly or not.

While wrong pronunciation will lead to bad effects. Like upacharam becoming apacharam.

Nama sankeerthanam has no such restrictions. Any place any time. No theetu.

Answer in line with reference to Acharyas and not adiyen’s own opinions.

Dasanudasan

on July 30, 2017

Koti Namaskarams Swamy

Yes. I do agree that Namasangeerthanam can be practised by all.

Thank you very much.

Adiyen Srinivasan Pranesh.

on July 31, 2017

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Excellent GunaMeter reading for “Answer in line with reference to Acharyas and not adiyen’s own opinions”

Sathvik guna (95%) > Tamasik guna (5%) > Rajasik guna (5%).

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan
Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.

on July 31, 2017

Kshamikkanum
Adiyen think if we get 100% Sathvikam we will equal Perumal. He is Shuddha satvam. Practically it’s impossible until we stay in this loukikam.
Piratti thaayar Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

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What is Guna meter? How to calculate?
Are we calculating our GunAs or other’s gunAs?
Is other’s gunA not taken care by swayam bhagavan?
Dasan

on July 31, 2017

Sri Baktha Mandharaya Namaha,

(Bakthar’kalukku Maram Pol nintru Nizhal alikkum Swami Ramanujar’ai Vanangukiraen)

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

Exactly correct as brother Baktha said.

Here is what adiyen would like to SHARE based on Acharyan/SriVelukkudi Krishna Swami Blessings with references as much as possible.

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Only the Baktha can judge their own GunaMeter readings and no one can judge except BhagavAn. That’s why adiyen put as a reference % values for the Baktha’s GunaMeter readings. If added comes to 105%, So, the Baktha can decide the actual values based on the their own GunaMeter readings to make a total of 100%.

NO, Ours or Others Guna’s are not taken care by BhagavAn. Since BhagavAn has given the ‘Rule Book’ (Shastras) and Acharyan and Sathvik-Guru’s like our Sri Velukkudi Swami, BhagvAn excepts us the follow the rule book/Sathvik-Guru/Acharyan using our little Gyanam, but HE will help only if we ask for help. Till that time, HE keeps quiet.

This nature of BhagavAn “Keeping Quiet” is called as “Udhaseenatvam” (Kandu Kollamal Irutthal). The Rule Book ‘Shastras’ tells us about “what BhagavAn ‘likes and don’t like’ which is the Do’s & Dont’s”.

PoorvaAcharyar Swami Vedanta Desikan says:

Prathikoolyasya Varjanam (Anishtam Thavirkai) –> Don’t do what BhagavAn SriRama-SitaPiratti don’t like.

Anukoolyasyaa Sankalpam (Ishtam Seikai) –> Do what BhagavAn SriRama-SitaPiratti likes.

So, BhagavAn only gives the “Phalam” of our actions and this Kalyana Gunam of BhagavAn is termed as “PhalaPradhatvam”. So, if we follow and do it right, then the Phalam is ‘Applaud’ and if we don’t follow, then the Phalam is Opposite of the Applaud. But, BhagavAn WILL NOT CORRECT US, if we do it wrong, since HE expects us to follow the ‘rule book (shastras) using the little Gyanam and climb the ladder.

However, when we follow Acharyan and Sathvik-Guru like our Sri Velukkudi Swami, then they will correct us by not do a wrong thing, since THEY KNOW ALL THE ‘IN & OUT’ of the shastras and we don’t know what and all ‘Shastras’ says us to do. This nature of Acharyan/Sri Velukkudi Swami is called as “Thadutthu AatKollum Thanmai” (They will stop us from doing anyhting that is Prathikoolyasya Varjanam). This is the STAND-OUT Kalyanam Gunam of Swami Ramanujar which is being followed by our Acharyar’s and Sri Velukkudi Swami, so the Jeevatham travels in the correct path.

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Here is what adiyen does a self-check of the GunaMeter. Adiyen tried to write down what adiyen learned from Swami’s discourses. Then do the ‘Proofing’ (Validate) by again listening to the same discourse, then make corrections again, since there is high possiblty of adiyen mixing adiyen’s karmas into Swami’s answers.

Adiyen try to listen same topic 5 to 10 times which ever topic we like, so we can understand what Swami says. Just listening once, will not adhere to our mind due our Anaadhi Kaala Vaasanas/Karmas.

Thus the “GunaMeter” is nothing but the “GURU-BAKTHI” on Sathvika-Guru like our Sri Velukkudi Swami.

ANYONE can improve BhagavAt Vishaya Gyanam (Spiritual Knowledge) by having GURU-BHAKTHI, which is the ultimate answer that adiyen has understood so far from Swami’s Upanyasams [“Bhakthi/KrithakjGyatha(Gratitute) towards SAATHVIKA-Guru”].

1): Swami’s EnpAni #601 says about the Guru-Bhakthi using Wi-Fi as example.. Wi-Fi network is the is the BhagavAn; Wi-Fi Password is the Acharyar Sambandham. Wi-Fi netwrok is always there everywhere, but without log-in Password, we will not receive the Messages (BhagavAt Anughraham for Gyanam/Bhakthi) automatically.

2): Swami on Vithura Neethi #577 in the starting 2 to 4 minutes of the EnpaNi audio says about Guru-Bhakthi.

So, When we say we are “Acharya or Sri Velukkudi Swami SriPadha Thuli”,

‘Thuli’ means “Dust” (we Agyanis)

‘SriPadham’ means “Lotus feet of Acharyan/Sri Velukkudi Swami”.

The ‘Thuli’ doesn’t get adhered to the ‘SriPadham’ if there is no ‘Adhesion’.

The ‘Adhesion’ is the GURU-BAKTHI’ which makes us ‘dust’ stick to the ‘SriPadham’.

GURU-BAKTHI is “Listenting and FOLLOWING”. Without ‘Following’, means ‘countering against the FINAL ASNWER’, so no adhesion (no GURU-BAKTHI). Then, the ‘Thuli’ falls down from the ‘SriPadham’ and further spiritual progress doesn’t happen.

Knowing everything in Spiritualism is “NOT A MEANS TO MOKSHAM”. It is “KRUPA KATAKSHAM” of Swami Ramanujar/PoorvAcharyars on Agyanis like us that gives us MOKSHAM. So, when those who already have Acharyar Sambhandham (ANYONE can be Acharya Sambhandhi, just AASAI is the criteria), MOKSHAM is gauranteed in this birth, since the lineage starts from the LOTUS FEET of GeethaAcharyan SriKrishna. At the same time, since we have decided to live our life (Druptha Prapannan), we have to “TIME-PASS” the remaining period after Acharya Sambhandham. So what to Time-Pass, just spent time in “Kainkaryam and know Smapradhayam” and leave this materialtics world at the end of this Shareeram. Sometimes Acaharyas/SriSo, knowing all in Spirtualism is not means to Moksham.

The “Spiritual Knowledge that helps us to do “KAINKARYAM (SERIVE)” to BhagavAn/Acharya/Bhaktas is what is needed in our life which comes by GURU-BAKTHI.

So, what happens if I don’t understand what Swami says, this can be done by “asking again with Submissiveness/politeness without aggression”. This is called “clarification’ rather than ‘countering’, same as how ” Parikshit aksed Sukhacharyar for clarification”.

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Finally, GURU-Bakthi leads to “Anukoolyasyaa Sankalpam (Ishtam Seikai) –> Do what BhagavAn SriRama-SitaPiratti likes”.

Adiyen was happy when the Baktha said ” Answerin line with reference to Acharyas and not adiyen’s own opinions”. This shows the Baktha’s GURU-BAKTHI, so the Sathvik % reading in GunaMeter is very high. Adiyen’s Pranaamam.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Adiyen Acharya Dasan,

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

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Sri Baktha Mandharaya Namaha,

(Bakthar’kalukku Maram Pol nintru Nizhal alikkum Swami Ramanujar’ai Vanangukiraen)

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

Exactly correct as brother Baktha said.

Here is what adiyen would like to SHARE based on Acharyan/SriVelukkudi Krishna Swami Blessings with references as much as possible.

*********************************************************************

Only the Baktha can judge their own GunaMeter readings and no one can judge except BhagavAn. That’s why adiyen put as a reference % values for the Baktha’s GunaMeter readings. If added comes to 105%, So, the Baktha can decide the actual values based on the their own GunaMeter readings to make a total of 100%.

NO, Ours or Others Guna’s are not taken care by BhagavAn. Since BhagavAn has given the ‘Rule Book’ (Shastras) and Acharyan and Sathvik-Guru’s like our Sri Velukkudi Swami, BhagvAn excepts us the follow the rule book/Sathvik-Guru/Acharyan using our little Gyanam, but HE will help only if we ask for help. Till that time, HE keeps quiet.

This nature of BhagavAn “Keeping Quiet” is called as “Udhaseenatvam” (Kandu Kollamal Irutthal). The Rule Book ‘Shastras’ tells us about “what BhagavAn ‘likes and don’t like’ which is the Do’s & Dont’s”.

PoorvaAcharyar Swami Vedanta Desikan says:

Prathikoolyasya Varjanam (Anishtam Thavirkai) –> Don’t do what BhagavAn SriRama-SitaPiratti don’t like.

Anukoolyasyaa Sankalpam (Ishtam Seikai) –> Do what BhagavAn SriRama-SitaPiratti likes.

So, BhagavAn only gives the “Phalam” of our actions and this Kalyana Gunam of BhagavAn is termed as “PhalaPradhatvam”. So, if we follow and do it right, then the Phalam is ‘Applaud’ and if we don’t follow, then the Phalam is Opposite of the Applaud. But, BhagavAn WILL NOT CORRECT US, if we do it wrong, since HE expects us to follow the ‘rule book (shastras) using the little Gyanam and climb the ladder.

However, when we follow Acharyan and Sathvik-Guru like our Sri Velukkudi Swami, then they will correct us by not do a wrong thing, since THEY KNOW ALL THE ‘IN & OUT’ of the shastras and we don’t know what and all ‘Shastras’ says us to do. This nature of Acharyan/Sri Velukkudi Swami is called as “Thadutthu AatKollum Thanmai” (They will stop us from doing anyhting that is Prathikoolyasya Varjanam). This is the STAND-OUT Kalyanam Gunam of Swami Ramanujar which is being followed by our Acharyar’s and Sri Velukkudi Swami, so the Jeevatham travels in the correct path.

************************************************************************

Here is what adiyen does a self-check of the GunaMeter. Adiyen tried to write down what adiyen learned from Swami’s discourses. Then do the ‘Proofing’ (Validate) by again listening to the same discourse, then make corrections again, since there is high possiblty of adiyen mixing adiyen’s karmas into Swami’s answers.

Adiyen try to listen same topic 5 to 10 times which ever topic we like, so we can understand what Swami says. Just listening once, will not adhere to our mind due our Anaadhi Kaala Vaasanas/Karmas.

Thus the “GunaMeter” is nothing but the “GURU-BAKTHI” on Sathvika-Guru like our Sri Velukkudi Swami.

ANYONE can improve BhagavAt Vishaya Gyanam (Spiritual Knowledge) by having GURU-BHAKTHI, which is the ultimate answer that adiyen has understood so far from Swami’s Upanyasams [“Bhakthi/KrithakjGyatha(Gratitute) towards SAATHVIKA-Guru”].

1): Swami’s EnpAni #601 says about the Guru-Bhakthi using Wi-Fi as example.. Wi-Fi network is the is the BhagavAn; Wi-Fi Password is the Acharyar Sambandham. Wi-Fi netwrok is always there everywhere, but without log-in Password, we will not receive the Messages (BhagavAt Anughraham for Gyanam/Bhakthi) automatically.

2): Swami on Vithura Neethi #577 in the starting 2 to 4 minutes of the EnpaNi audio says about Guru-Bhakthi.

So, When we say we are “Acharya or Sri Velukkudi Swami SriPadha Thuli”,

‘Thuli’ means “Dust” (we Agyanis)

‘SriPadham’ means “Lotus feet of Acharyan/Sri Velukkudi Swami”.

The ‘Thuli’ doesn’t get adhered to the ‘SriPadham’ if there is no ‘Adhesion’.

The ‘Adhesion’ is the GURU-BAKTHI’ which makes us ‘dust’ stick to the ‘SriPadham’.

GURU-BAKTHI is “Listenting and FOLLOWING”. Without ‘Following’, means ‘countering against the FINAL ASNWER’, so no adhesion (no GURU-BAKTHI). Then, the ‘Thuli’ falls down from the ‘SriPadham’ and further spiritual progress doesn’t happen.

Knowing everything in Spiritualism is “NOT A MEANS TO MOKSHAM”. It is “KRUPA KATAKSHAM” of Swami Ramanujar/PoorvAcharyars on Agyanis like us that gives us MOKSHAM. So, when those who already have Acharyar Sambhandham (ANYONE can be Acharya Sambhandhi, just AASAI is the criteria), MOKSHAM is gauranteed in this birth, since the lineage starts from the LOTUS FEET of GeethaAcharyan SriKrishna. At the same time, since we have decided to live our life (Druptha Prapannan), we have to “TIME-PASS” the remaining period after Acharya Sambhandham. So what to Time-Pass, just spent time in “Kainkaryam and know Smapradhayam” and leave this materialtics world at the end of this Shareeram. Sometimes Acaharyas/SriSo, knowing all in Spirtualism is not means to Moksham.

The “Spiritual Knowledge that helps us to do “KAINKARYAM (SERIVE)” to BhagavAn/Acharya/Bhaktas is what is needed in our life which comes by GURU-BAKTHI.

So, what happens if I don’t understand what Swami says, this can be done by “asking again with Submissiveness/politeness without aggression”. This is called “clarification’ rather than ‘countering’, same as how ” Parikshit aksed Sukhacharyar for clarification”.

*******************************************************************************

Finally, GURU-Bakthi leads to “Anukoolyasyaa Sankalpam (Ishtam Seikai) –> Do what BhagavAn SriRama-SitaPiratti likes”.

Adiyen was happy when the Baktha said ” Answerin line with reference to Acharyas and not adiyen’s own opinions”. This shows the Baktha’s GURU-BAKTHI, so the Sathvik % reading in GunaMeter is very high. Adiyen’s Pranaamam.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Adiyen Acharya Dasan,

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

 

on August 1, 2017

Dhanyosmi Piraati Maatha

“So, When we say we are “Acharya or Sri Velukkudi Swami SriPadha Thuli”, –

That’s why adiyen restrict to say ” Adiyen is Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s Sri Padhuka Dhuli”

Because adiyen. don’t have arugathai (rights) to touch his lotus feets

Regarding Perumal not correcting:
Adiyen share Acharya’s teachings here

Two lifestyles:
1. Before Para Samarpanam
2. After Para Samarpanam

Perumal completely takes care of our burden as if it is his burden after our self surrender.

It’s 100% Sathyam
Sathyam Sathyam Puna Sathyam YathirAjO Jagath Guru:

Adiyen
Sri Kongil Piraati Daasan
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Dasan
Sri Rangaramanuja Mahadesika Dasan

on August 4, 2017

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,
Srimadh Vara Vara Munaye Namaha,

 

Well pledged. Thanks for the understanding Baktha.

 

It will be ideal, if Baktha can skip the 1st sentence “Adiyen Sri K….. P…… Daasan” for future, since adiyen is karma bound. Please stick to “Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Dasan” and continue Baktha’s GuruParamparai lineage “Sri Rangaramanuja Mahadesika Dasan” as usual that leads to Swami Ramanujar ThiruvAdi which leads to GeethAcharyan ThiruvAdi.

 

Adiyen is only a ‘tool (karuvi)’ like any other Baktha’s who is trying to SHARE Spiritual Knowledge ‘Referencing’ from our Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Pravachanams as much as possible. Please bear with adiyen for any errors caused due to adiyens own vaasanaas/karmas.

 

Sarvae Janaha Sukhino BhavAnthu,
Loka Samastha Sukhino BhavAnthu,

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.

 
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Adiyen Acharya Dasan,
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

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