Certain anomalies

Updated on December 31, 2019 in General
13 on December 28, 2019

Dear swamy,

Certain anomalies kindly clarify.

1) Adiyen willing to interact lot with acharyas or similar people of high reputation. But often adiyen hear ( and also read in Chanakya Neethi ) that one should be at a distance from acharya( , women and one more as per Chanakya ). How to reconcile? Creating fear and confusion. One possible reason may we may do any apacharam. But அபச்சாரம் ஆகிடும் ஆகிடும் என்று நினைத்தால் எப்போது நாம் கத்துக்கொள்வது? அடுத்த level ku போக வேண்டாமா?
What adiyen mean here is visiting acharya often. Is that ok?

2) We are hearing about many karya siddhi stotrams. If you recite this then it is said that whatever you wish will certainly occur. But at the end it is bhagavan who is giving. So will he fulfill our desire even though it is not hitham to us, just because we are saying the kaarya siddhi stothram? One common example is people praying so intensely for putra prapthi. Even if it takes ten years they do the ritual as suggested by someone. Then here is bhagavan fulfilling the desire just because they are intensely asking for ten years or because it is hitham to them?

3) We have a saying in the scriptures:
harinapi harenapi brahmanapi surairapi I
lalata likhita rekha parimarshtum nashakyate II
(Even Vishnu, Siva, Brahma and Gods cannot erase (or change) what is written on the forehead)
From the perspective of a sharangatha how to take this shloka?

Adiyen

 
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1 on December 29, 2019

Srimate Ramanujaye namaha!

Namaskaaram. Swami.

Some possible answers for your questions.

1.Closeness and improving to next level is by strict following of instructions given by acharayas to sishayas, directly or through upanyasams. Interaction and closeness to acharya is by following of instructions and by service.

2. First it is Bhagawan who should give us the knowledge of the slokam, then the time and the concentration and intensity to do it.. if he does not want to give us he can stop us in between anywhere in this sequence esp for those who are surrendered but slightly stubborn in one aspect. For non surrendered devotees Lord does not interfere in the free will and grants as per one’s stubbornness/desire subject to one’s observance of karma in past and in the present in the form of worship/rituals.

3. What is written in forehead is the debt accounts we have that cannot be changed, but once we merge(surrender) yourself into a large bank (of course with proper quality and loyalty), then debt is paid off as we don’t exist as a separate entity with separate profit and loss. Swami explained somewhat in these lines in Thiruppavai upanyasam dated 27th Dec( I hope i am correct in this date).

If there are errors in understanding the quesiton or in answers  kindly forgive, i have shared based on what i have heard and read from different upanyasams.

Adiyen

 

 

 

on December 30, 2019

Dear enpanifan bhagavatha, thanks for understanding adiyen’s questions. Got some meaningful insights from your answers.

As for question 3, if it’s karma then fine. But the shloka refers to vidhi. Want to know how vidhi is different for sharangatha vs non sharangatha.

Adiyen

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Swami, 

Adiyen would like to refer the quote “piNam kidakka maNam puNaralAmO?” from Uyakkondar, who even rejected the offer from Sriman Nathamunigal of learning the Astanga Yoga in order to enjoy the Bhagavaan rather chose to learn Divya Prabhandam from him. Similarly as prapannaas, when we have beautiful divya prabhandams and our sampradaya  purvacharya granthams not sure why Swami has to read and learn other granthams like Chankya Neethi or karya siddhi stotrams. Given the short life we have, as said in Thirumaalai, we should use our time and effort to learn and internalize sampradaya granthams, which doesn’t have any conflict in them.  

வேத நூல் பிராயம் நூறு மனிசர்தாம் புகுவரேலும்
பாதியும் உறங்கிப்போகும் நின்றதில் பதினையாண்டு
பேதை பாலகன் அதாகும் பிணி பசி மூப்புத் துன்பம்
ஆதலால் பிறவி வேண்டேன் அரங்கமா நகருளானே.

Please pardon for any wrong saying.  

ஆழ்வார் எம்பெருமாணார் ஜீயர் திருவடிகளே சரணம்!

Adiyen,
Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan.

PS: Reg. Swami Question No. 3 reg. Sanchita and Prarapta Karma, Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamigal has beautifully explained this in detail in one of his many masterpieces “Naan Yaar” in part 11, 21st minute. https://velukkudidiscourses.com/product/naan-yaar/ 

on December 30, 2019

Glories to Uyyakondar. Very true swami. Adiyen refers our purvacharyars works also. Having said adiyen had got little interest to see Chanankya Neethi in the past. Don’t know why. Chanchala manam what to do!! Will refine in the coming days hopefully.

And swamy kaarya siddhi stotram adiyen mentioned for the purpose of doubt only. Myself ( if at all I have to say ) saying karya siddhi storams given by our acharyas only. Like for example karya siddhi storams from Paduka Sahsram given under the direction of acharyas.

And for Q3 does not the shloka refer to Vidhi and not Karma?

Adiyen
Vishal Ram Dasan

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Thanks for clarifying “Karya Siddhi” Slokams Vishal Ram Swami. As Sri Velukkudi Swami’s explanation (he uses malgova mango in his analogies), Adiyen understanding is that even Divya Prabhandams has pala sruti at the end of each section, however, those are to attract badhatmas into bhagavad visayam whereas for prapannaas it doesn’t have a direct significance. As far as fulfilling our desires, adiyen’s personal experience is that Perumal fulfills them as long as they are deep, sincere and helps us to reach Him (He also takes into account our Karma for Badatmas, whereas anyways prapannas like us never ask him anything that is material). This is same as said by “enpanifan” Swami. Hope this clarifies.   

Can Swami please clarify “And for Q3 does not the shloka refer to Vidhi and not Karma?” little further? 

on December 30, 2019

Thanks for reply swamy.
Q3
The shloka refers to vidhi or fate or destiny. It says fate is undefeatable despite of any efforts.
What is destined to happen is certain.
Tamil poet Tiruvalluvar echoes this idea in Thirukkural (38-10):
ஊழிற் பெருவலி யாவுள மற்றொன்று
சூழினும் தான் முந்துறும்
(Is there anything mightier than fate? It cannot be defeated by any means (It prevails over all efforts to conquer it))

on December 30, 2019

Adiyen

on December 31, 2019

Swami, you would have heard that distance covered by a cow tied to a pole is determined by the length of its rope. Similarly, our past karma determines our vidhi and the length of our free will and yes this can’t be changed. Our free will allows us to go around left or right as we want. But as prapannaas, we even surrender that free will to Jagadacharyar / Perumal. So whatever be the vidhi (and we don’t care to anyway fight it), (as) we are guaranteed by Perumal and our Jagadacharyar of our next and permanent destination. Also even when we surrender only our sanchita karma is written off and prarapta karma still exist. We have to still suffer (both good and bad) that but Perumal gives us the strength to pass through it easily. Adiyen have heard that suffering during our dreams is also a way by which Perumal gets rid of some of our Karma. 

This is adiyen’s humble opinion based on the learnings from Velukkudi Swamigal discourses. 

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4 on December 30, 2019

My amma so says
“that one should be at a distance from acharya”
PeriyavAla nerunga pdathu
That includes our Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy.and other swamigal

Adiyen feel it’s because if they feel upset about us it may cause spiritual progression damage

Dasanudasan

on December 30, 2019

Vikram Swamy but they are our well wishers illaya? Aprom yepdi namba munnetratha baathikum?
Vera edhavadhu karanam irukumo?????
Adiyen

on December 31, 2019

Adiyen would say that as long as deep in our hearts we go near them to serve, it’s completely fine even if it ends up being offensive. But whereas if we intentionally do even a small apacharam, even Perumal can’t forgive it and only that Bhagavathar has the ability to forgive that.  

on December 31, 2019

Adiyen agree with Badri Swamy. Out of pure acharyar love and kainkaryam in mind, there’s no harm in getting near our AchAryAs. Swamy Ramanujar adiyargalidam evalavu kitta pazhaginAr! So, the only aim of us is to serve their holy feet and progress spiritually with acharyar’s krupai.

on December 31, 2019

Just correcting the above statement->
* Out of pure love, kainkaryam and thudippu to learn Bhagavad vishyam *

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