Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

Swami for the first part it cannot be arbitrary, it is said it is based on one’s karma and desires.

For the second part there is a detailed discussion in an old thread.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/aatma-inside-acit/

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

Enpanifan Swamy,

Thanks for the clarification.

When we see nature – mountains, rivers, we have to associate them with respective Devatha and Devathas are Devathas due to Karma palan.

Is river – water also made of various punjai aathmas (mountains are so) or is a manifestation of a Devatha?

Doubts arise when people say generally Bhagawan created people and nature (like Kadal, malai, etc). While people are born due to Karma, so also the nature – components of nature are also aatmas – they are so due to previous Karma.

Devathas are positions, being alloted to special jeevathmas and time bound. Is Ganga, the river demi God is a position, which is time bound and could be represented by different eligible jeevathmas in different time periods?

Dhanyosmi.

Adiyen
Ramanujadasan.

Srimate Raamaanujaye Namaha

I think  like how apart from ourselves there are multiple number of infinite souls inside our body same will be applicable to nature – rivers mountains etc.

Regarding the question in the last para.I think we cannot have a general answer perhaps.. Some cases are positions and some are eternally the same person.( I vaguely remember hearing that Ganges exist in Spiritual world and was brought to earth. So existence in spiritual world would mean eternally the same person.)

But not sure of other examples.. but nevertheless as long as we are respectful to them , even if we don’t understand if it is position or eternally the same person, we would be pleasing Krishna

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan.

Enpanifan Swamy

Namaskaaram and Thanks for sharing those nice insights regarding this topic.

Adiyen
Ramanujadasan.