Do what I say, you are below me, is this okay to anyone other than God?

கம்பன்தாசன் 4 1 on May 15, 2020

போயிட்டு போரான் ஸ்வாமி விடுங்கோ. அவன் பாவம் அவனுக்கு மேல இருக்கறவன் அவன் தலையில பாரத்த இரக்கறான். அவன் நம்ம தலையில இரக்கறான். நமக்கானும் பகவான் திருவடி இருக்கு அத்தன பாரத்தையும் இரக்கறத்துக்கு. அவனுக்கு இன்னும் அந்த பாக்யம் அமையல. நம்மல திட்டி நாமோ முன்ன பண்ண பாவத்த அவன் இன்னும் சேத்து வாங்கிண்டு போறான். நமக்கு அந்த பாவம் குறைஞ்சது நல்லது தான். அவன் இன்னும் ரொம்ப நாள் கஷ்ட படாம கூடிய சீக்கரம் உடையவர் திருவடிய சேரனும்னு வேண்டிக்கோங்கோ.

அடியேன் தாசன்.

enpanifan 1 on May 15, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

Namaskaaram!

Yes as pointed above by Kambandasan swami, they are taking away some karma by scolding.

Whenever I am in such circumstances, i introspect myself and think that probably I am doing something wrong and so Perumaal is indirectly arranging this to correct me. (it can be a direct error in my attitude to work or some laxity in my daily spiritual practices or thought about others).

It may not be the reason in all cases or in your case, other reasons could be as said above he is taking away your bad karma.

Another reason is when such situations happen, and if we remain sober and undisturbed, it will bring glory to our teacher and our teachings that we follow.

For example as Perumaal treated Bhrigu munivar with so much care despite his mistake, we cannot go to that level , but if try in that direction, either one of the things will happen..1) if there is any mistake in our side Perumaal will help us to overcome it..2) if not the other person will automatically feel embarrassed and will experience change of heart.

In Bhagavatham the so called mistake that Parikshit Maharaj did, opened opportunity for Bhagavatham to be recited.. similarly the so called mistake done to you has created a new thread in this forum to discuss Vaishnava philosophy’s principles in such situations.

Lord Sri Krishna accomplishes so many things by just one action/incident.

Dhnaysomi.

Adiyen

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha! 
Namaskaaram! 
Yes as pointed above by Kambandasan swami, they are taking away some karma by scolding. 
Whenever I am in such circumstances, i introspect myself and think that probably I am doing something wrong and so Perumaal is indirectly arranging this to correct me. (it can be a direct error in my attitude to work or some laxity in my daily spiritual practices or thought about others). 
It may not be the reason in all cases or in your case, other reasons could be as said above he is taking away your bad karma. 
Another reason is when such situations happen, and if we remain sober and undisturbed, it will bring glory to our teacher and our teachings that we follow.  
For example as Perumaal treated Bhrigu munivar with so much care despite his mistake, we cannot go to that level , but if try in that direction, either one of the things will happen..1) if there is any mistake in our side Perumaal will help us to overcome it..2) if not the other person will automatically feel embarrassed and will experience change of heart. 
In Bhagavatham the so called mistake that Parikshit Maharaj did, opened opportunity for Bhagavatham to be recited.. similarly the so called mistake done to you has created a new thread in this forum to discuss Vaishnava philosophy's principles in such situations. 
Lord Sri Krishna accomplishes so many things by just one action/incident. 
Dhnaysomi. 
Adiyen

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vikraminside 1 on May 16, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

To kambandasan swami, ENPaNifan Swamy dhanyosmi for taking time in answering.

Correct Swamy Perumal leelai. Edhavadhu bhAgavatha ApachAram panni iruppen therinjum theriyamalum.

Sri Vaikuntam poradhukku munnAdi correct pannitu kootindu porAr prArabdham.

Bhruhu munivar example suit aguma nu therila because Perumal is superior he is coming down.

If my subordinate (as per org hierarchy) do mistakes I can tolerate & correct them. En superior mathavA pecha kettundu thappu pannA eppadi correct pandradhu?

Perumalukkum bhAgavathAlukkum mattum dhAn adi paNiyuvEn.

“Maanidarkku endru pechu padil vaazhgilen ”
“Poovum poosaiyum thagumo?”
“MattrumOr deivamundo madhi ilA mAnidargAzh?”
“Thevu mattru ariyen”

Ambarishana kApAthinA madhiri enna kApAthanum

Kuniyaradha pathi onnum illa, kuniya Arambichutomna, Kutta arambichiduvA

Evlo adichAlum thAngarAn ivan romba nallavan nutu

AvA kai pAvaiyA mAranum namakku workout Agadhu

Lakshmi Narasimha mama dehi karAvalambam
En AchAryan kApAthuvAr
Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
 
Sri: 
 
To kambandasan swami, ENPaNifan Swamy dhanyosmi for taking time in answering. 
 
Correct Swamy Perumal leelai. Edhavadhu bhAgavatha ApachAram panni iruppen therinjum theriyamalum. 
 
Sri Vaikuntam poradhukku munnAdi correct pannitu kootindu porAr prArabdham. 
 
Bhruhu munivar example suit aguma nu therila because Perumal is superior he is coming down. 
 
If my subordinate (as per org hierarchy) do mistakes I can tolerate & correct them. En superior mathavA pecha kettundu thappu pannA eppadi correct pandradhu? 
 
Perumalukkum bhAgavathAlukkum mattum dhAn adi paNiyuvEn. 
 
"Maanidarkku endru pechu padil vaazhgilen " 
"Poovum poosaiyum thagumo?" 
"MattrumOr deivamundo madhi ilA mAnidargAzh?" 
"Thevu mattru ariyen" 
 
Ambarishana kApAthinA madhiri enna kApAthanum 
 
Kuniyaradha pathi onnum illa, kuniya Arambichutomna, Kutta arambichiduvA 
 
Evlo adichAlum thAngarAn ivan romba nallavan nutu 
 
AvA kai pAvaiyA mAranum namakku workout Agadhu 
 
Lakshmi Narasimha mama dehi karAvalambam 
En AchAryan kApAthuvAr 
Dasanudasan

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enpanifan 1 on May 17, 2020

srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

Namaskaaram Vikram Swami,

Coincidentally Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Mahabharata audio ( no 19, dated 16th May) given many years ago coincides with this thread’s discussion.

The entire audio is not on this subject, but he deals a portion on how to deal when others scold us..

As described above there are many perspectives to this situation, swami considers one such situation and says we should not counteract and be aggressive to them. If we don’t react, that will be the best defeat for the opponent. That is what Swamy says.

Adiyen

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vikraminside 0 on May 29, 2020

Dhanyosmi @Enpanifan swamyt

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ElayaAlwar 2 0 on May 18, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Exactly said BhagavAtas Partially,

But the full actual reason Why Swami says we should not be “Aggressive” is because “WE ALL ARE NOT PERFECT“, So when we try to be aggressive or harsh on others, then it is under assumption that we are correct or Perfect, which is not true, since each of us are not perfect. This is like we all living inside a “Glass House” and throwing stones at others, as if we are correct and pointing in others mistakes though we would have committed the same mistake in a different place at different times. But BhagavAn keeps an account of our each action and it returns AUTOMATICALLY back to us only like the “Boomerang Analogy” as Swami mentioned in recent Enpani.

What we throw is what we get back in return like the “Boomerang Analogy”.

This “Throw” means our Actions Done (Karma’s) either past, actions, present actions (ongoing) or future actions

So when we say, you are incorrect, then BhagavAn will setup someone to say to us that “you are incorrect” in a different location and we will be clueless as to why this incident happened to me, when I did not do anything in this particular place.

Like if we advise a person strictly, then we will be advised strictly by someone. This is is BhagavAns System.

So Velukkudi Swami says, since EACH of us while in Samsaram WILL NEVER BE PERFECT, the best solution is change “AGGRESSION to SUGGESTION“.

So based on Boomerang Analogy, what we throw will return back to us. So throwing a “light weight boomerang (suggestion) will return back to us as someone “Suggestive” to us which is easy to catch and we don’t get injured and makes our life easier.

But if we throw “Aggression (heavy duty Boomerang), it will return to us only and if we don’t catch it properly, then it can injure us and cause serious damage.

So based in “Boomerang Analogy (Karma Theory)“,

1) Avoid AGGRESSION if we are scared of Aggression in Return,

2) Avoid SUGGESTION if we are soft hearted to even accept SUGGESTION in return,

3) Best is “KEEP Quite”, so the return is “Quite”. That’s why we are avoiding counteract or not reacting to a Aggressive situation, it is NOT meant to be understod as opponent will lose.

It’s ones own choice, what we need in return is what we need to throw. Super theory by BhagavAn. That’s why BhagavAn expects us to use our Freedom Freewill (Jeeva Swathantriyam) and utilize it properly as per HIS Wish.

So the ideal situation, KEEP QUITE or EVEN IF WE DECIDE TO TALK (Open Mouth), then talk ONLY GOOD THINGS about others (POSITIVE MIND), like if one says or bluffs 10 things, just pick only the one good thing out of what they spoke and skip the remaining 9 odd things, don’t answer it. If you look at adiyen’s all threads, Adiyen try to follow this method (Positive mind) as much as possible with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami’s Aasirvadham.

That’s why Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami has graced answer in enpani #543 “Suggestion or Aggression”, where Swami concludes that we devotees have to be suggestive and not aggressive, since Swami says we all are not perfect. Swami lowers Himself in this enpani as Swami is not perfect, though we devotees know that Swami doesn’t do any mistakes & Swami is Perfect.

And further Swami says in Mahabharat episode as mentioned in previous thread not to react and keep quite if we cannot face suggestion, and it is not to be understood as opponent defeat, since as per Boomerang Analogy, the type 3) Quiteness is what we throwed, so we are getting the same in return.

This is what Adiyen has understood with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami’s Aasirvadham / Abhimaanam and adiyen referred to Vikram Swami for the same question in the below thread in the past.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/how-to-control-aggression-be-sathvikam/

Based on the Boomerang Analogy, honestly based on Vikram Swami’s above post “……Do what I say, you are below me, is this okay to anyone other than God?………”, it appears to be that Vikram Swami said the same thing to his brother or someone in office or somewhere else in this Janma or past Janma, which returned to Vikram Swami at a different time automatically. But this is purely based on adiyen’s thought process based in Swami’s Boomerang Analogy, but only BhagavAn knows the truth, and also Vikram may know the truth if he remembers it.

So what is the solution is BhagavAn expects us to use our Freedom Freewill (Jeeva Swathantriyam) and utilize it properly as per HIS Wish.

skip type 1) aggression, if we don’t want it return, follow type 2) suggestion. If we still don’t want suggestion in return, best is follow type 3) “Keep Quite”, very simple formula, and this Boomerang Analogy is common/impartial for all, not matter what we try to argue about it, since it is BhagavAns Beautiful Design. Automatically these odd happenings in life will slowly subside due to Acharya Krupai.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

vikraminside 1 on May 18, 2020

ElayaAlwar swamy

Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?
Nirbhaya was raped because she in her previous ( janma) birth had insulted those innocents?

What an analogy !!!

So devareeerai yAravadhu thittinAl sandhoshamA vAngippel.

Sari pAppom let’s see

We know only this janma, we can measure based on this birth karma only

ThittinA vAngikardhukku we are not in sanyAsa Ashrama dharmam

Adharmam nadantha thatti kekkanum

YArA irundhA enna?

So oruthan adi vAnginA adhu adi vAnginavan thavaru illaiyA?

Nanna irukkey unga boomerang ideology 😁

Adiyenum andha audio kaeten but clarity illa . It doesn’t apply to all events in life. Light boomerang major boomerang ellam kedaiyAdhu.

Ella vishayathukkum karma mela pazhi poda koodathu nu adhey Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swamy thAn sollikuduthirukkAr

For eg: Daily you should not see Rasi Palan only for major event it applies

Enna kutham soldradhu en manager. Yaro paecha kaetu thappu pandrAr. Avar seyal en life impact pannum.

Pesama poitta velai poidum . Kandippa thiruppibkekka vendiyadhu en kadamai.

Police karan thirudanai pArthu porumaiyA poga mudiyumA Swamy?

👮: Oh Andha thirudan veetil pona janma vil thiruttu poi vittadhu . AdhanAl nAn avanai pidikka mAtten

Idhu muttAl thanam not boomerang

Dasanudasan

ElayaAlwar swamy 
 
Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it? 
Nirbhaya was raped because she in her previous ( janma) birth had insulted those innocents? 
 
What an analogy !!! 
 
So devareeerai yAravadhu thittinAl sandhoshamA vAngippel. 
 
Sari pAppom let's see 
 
We know only this janma, we can measure based on this birth karma only 
 
ThittinA vAngikardhukku we are not in sanyAsa Ashrama dharmam 
 
Adharmam nadantha thatti kekkanum 
 
YArA irundhA enna? 
 
So oruthan adi vAnginA adhu adi vAnginavan thavaru illaiyA? 
 
Nanna irukkey unga boomerang ideology 😁 
 
Adiyenum andha audio kaeten but clarity illa . It doesn't apply to all events in life. Light boomerang major boomerang ellam kedaiyAdhu. 
 
Ella vishayathukkum karma mela pazhi poda koodathu nu adhey Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swamy thAn sollikuduthirukkAr 
 
For eg: Daily you should not see Rasi Palan only for major event it applies 
 
Enna kutham soldradhu en manager. Yaro paecha kaetu thappu pandrAr. Avar seyal en life impact pannum. 
 
Pesama poitta velai poidum . Kandippa thiruppibkekka vendiyadhu en kadamai. 
 
Police karan thirudanai pArthu porumaiyA poga mudiyumA Swamy? 
 
👮: Oh Andha thirudan veetil pona janma vil thiruttu poi vittadhu . AdhanAl nAn avanai pidikka mAtten 
 
Idhu muttAl thanam not boomerang 
 
Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 18, 2020

Ravanan senjatha ippadi thAn pala per nyAya paduthara.

Avar dwara palaka. So return journey la venumney thappu pannAr.

Idhu Ramayanama illa RAvanAyanama?

Ravanan senjathu andha janmathula thappu dhAn. Boomerang workout Agadhu.

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
Exactly said BhagavAtas Partially, 
But the full actual reason Why Swami says we should not be "Aggressive" is because "WE ALL ARE NOT PERFECT", So when we try to be aggressive or harsh on others, then it is under assumption that we are correct or Perfect, which is not true, since each of us are not perfect. This is like we all living inside a "Glass House" and throwing stones at others, as if we are correct and pointing in others mistakes though we would have committed the same mistake in a different place at different times. But BhagavAn keeps an account of our each action and it returns AUTOMATICALLY back to us only  like the "Boomerang Analogy" as Swami mentioned in recent Enpani. 
  
What we throw is what we get back in return like the "Boomerang Analogy". 
  
This "Throw" means our Actions Done (Karma's) either past, actions, present actions (ongoing) or future actions 
  
So when we say, you are incorrect, then BhagavAn will setup someone to say to us that "you are incorrect" in a different location and we will be clueless as to why this incident happened to me, when I did not do anything in this particular place. 
  
Like if we advise a person strictly, then we will be advised strictly by someone. This is is BhagavAns System. 
  
So Velukkudi Swami says, since EACH of us while in Samsaram WILL NEVER BE PERFECT, the best solution is change "AGGRESSION to SUGGESTION". 
  
So based on Boomerang Analogy, what we throw will return back to us. So throwing a "light weight boomerang (suggestion) will return back to us as someone "Suggestive" to us which is easy to catch and we don't get injured and makes our life easier. 
  
But if we throw "Aggression (heavy duty Boomerang), it will return to us only and if we don't catch it properly, then it can injure us and cause serious damage. 
  
So based in "Boomerang Analogy (Karma Theory)", 
1) Avoid AGGRESSION if we are scared of Aggression in Return, 
2) Avoid SUGGESTION if we are soft hearted to even accept SUGGESTION in return, 
3) Best is "KEEP Quite", so the return is "Quite". That's why we are avoiding counteract or not reacting to a Aggressive situation, it is NOT meant to be understod as opponent will lose. 
  
It's ones own choice, what we need in return is what we need to throw. Super theory by BhagavAn. That's why BhagavAn expects us to use our Freedom Freewill (Jeeva Swathantriyam) and utilize it properly as per HIS Wish. 
  
So the ideal situation, KEEP QUITE or EVEN IF WE DECIDE TO TALK (Open Mouth), then talk ONLY GOOD THINGS about others (POSITIVE MIND), like if one says or bluffs 10 things, just pick only the one good thing out of what they spoke and skip the remaining 9 odd things, don't answer it. If you look at adiyen's all threads, Adiyen try to follow this method (Positive mind) as much as possible with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami's Aasirvadham. 
  
That's why Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami has graced answer in enpani <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="ui-link" href="https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/hashtag/543/">#543</a> “Suggestion or Aggression”, where Swami concludes that we devotees have to be suggestive and not aggressive, since Swami says we all are not perfect. Swami lowers Himself in this enpani as Swami is not perfect, though we devotees know that Swami doesn’t do any mistakes & Swami is Perfect. 
  
And further Swami says in Mahabharat episode as mentioned in previous thread not to react and keep quite if we cannot face suggestion, and it is not to be understood as opponent defeat, since as per Boomerang Analogy, the type 3) Quiteness is what we throwed, so we are getting the same in return. 
  
This is what Adiyen has understood with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami's Aasirvadham / Abhimaanam and adiyen referred to Vikram Swami for the same question in the below thread in the past. 
  
<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/how-to-control-aggression-be-sathvikam/">https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/how-to-control-aggression-be-sathvikam/</a> 
  
Based on the Boomerang Analogy, honestly based on Vikram Swami's above post "......Do what I say, you are below me, is this okay to anyone other than God?.........", it appears to be that Vikram Swami said the same thing to his brother or someone in office or somewhere else in this Janma or past Janma, which returned to Vikram Swami at a different time automatically. But this is purely based on adiyen's thought process based in Swami's Boomerang Analogy, but only BhagavAn knows the truth, and also Vikram may know the truth if he remembers it. 
  
So what is the solution is BhagavAn expects us to use our Freedom Freewill (Jeeva Swathantriyam) and utilize it properly as per HIS Wish. 
skip type 1) aggression, if we don't want it return, follow type 2) suggestion. If we still don't want suggestion in return, best is follow type 3) "Keep Quite", very simple formula, and this Boomerang Analogy is common/impartial for all, not matter what we try to argue about it, since it is BhagavAns Beautiful Design. Automatically these odd happenings in life will slowly subside due to Acharya Krupai. 
  
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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ElayaAlwar 4 1 on May 18, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Vikram Swami,

Devareer is interesting with own interpretation. Nathikas interpretation is to be ignored, but vaidhehaas like devareer or Adiyen interpretation should be proper due to MAHA-VISHWASAM on SriRama BhagavAn lotus Feet.

Devareer’s unknowing statement as “……………Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” should be changed as per Acharyas teachings, which is as follows.

First, the Boomerang Analogy is common and Impartial to all who has KARMAS like devareer or Adiyen or anyone……..
Second Sri Rama and SitaPiratti are Divya Dampathis. It doesn’t apply to them. It is not necessary for Adiyen to inform devareer that they DONT HAVE ANY KARMAS, since devareer should know it already as a Sharanagathan. Isn’t it Vikram Swami?

So we have listen to Poorvacharyas Upanyasams to understand the real story for ourselves First since we are Aasthikas.

It was LEELAI of SitaPiratti and SriRama to Save the Deva Sthrees (Deva Ladies) from Ravana, since Devas did Sharanagathy on the lotus Feet of Divya Dampathis. Not the other way like devareer’s own interpretation of Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” …….

Now devareer throwed this statement Boomerang on Divya Dampathis, but it won’t return back to devareer, since they are Karunai Ullam, but other than that, everything we throw returns to us, like if we do punya throw, we get Punya, if we throw Paapa, we get Paapa, because these throw that we do are on to some other JeevAthma who is a PROPERTY of SitaPiratti and SriRama, and not our property.

So it is best to follow things with Positive mind if we chose to do some action, if not we should be quite, since Boomerang Analogy is common and Impartial to all of us who has KARMAS like devareer or Adiyen or anyone of us. No choice.

Srimadh Ramayanam is for us to cherish on Divya Dhampatis and know about Sharanagathy and Kainkaryam.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

vikraminside 0 on May 18, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

“Sri Rama and SitaPiratti are Divya Dampathis. It doesn’t apply to them. It is not necessary for Adiyen to inform devareer that they DONT HAVE ANY KARMAS”

This is adiyen’s exact point. For all kashtams there need not be boomerang principle. Perumal azhudhArA illaiyA? Adhu avar sankapam.

So PerumaL nenacha boomerang velai seyyama panana mudiyum. As he is not bound by karma.

Coming to Sharanagathi, a Sharanagathan is basically a MuMukshu. So practical issues should not hinder his joyful journey.

A Sharanagathan don’t do karma as others does as he is not interested in results. For a Sharanagathan the boomerang SHOULD NOT hit as hard as it does for others.

BUT I DON’T KNOW WHY MY FATHER LOST HIS RIGHT LEG

HE COMPLETED SHARANAGATHI LONG BEFORE

Devareer did not answer all the questions.Umakku suit aanadha mattum sollitu escape aagitel.

Nirbhaya kku nadanthathu sariya thappa?

Ravanan pirattiya apaharichadhu thappu na, adhukku mundhiya kAraNam enna? Avanuku edhavadhu aNeedhi nadanthathA previous janma la?

If ravanan was not hurt before, then boomerang principle doesn’t apply here

He is adding to sins and his sins are not a retaliation of previous hurt

In fact he is the one hurting…

Neer sonnadhu appadi dhAn irudhadhu, “ella thavarukkum oru nyAyamAna karaNum Undu” appadi illai

Thavarugal pudusagavum arambikkalAm

En manager yen kutham soldraar endru kaetal Vikram Swamy edho thavaru panni iruppar nu soldreer

Enakku eppadi previous janma nyAbagam irukkum?

Ummai naan ipppo thittinAl neer thavaru seidhadhAga arthamA?

Idhu yen pudhu thavarAga irukka koodAthu?

Innikki oru thappu nadantha kandipela matela?

Illa boomerang principle solli adha vittuduvela?

Swami desikanukku seruppu maalai potta avar poruthundar

Naa desikanum allan avar alavukku nyAnam ullavanum allan , naan yen poruthukkanum?

AvamAnatha poruthukkO nu yenfha shAsthrathula ezhudhi irukku?

Eppa pathAlum thappu senja vaala vitutu,
Thappa thoondra valukku support pandrathey indha society yen?

En phone thirudinavana vitutu, ennai “yen phone badhiramA vechukalai ?” nu kekkarar police kaar

Thirudinavan thaappa?
Thiruttu kuduthavan thappa?

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
 
Sri: 
 
"Sri Rama and SitaPiratti are Divya Dampathis. It doesn’t apply to them. It is not necessary for Adiyen to inform devareer that they DONT HAVE ANY KARMAS" 
 
This is adiyen's exact point. For all kashtams there need not be boomerang principle. Perumal azhudhArA illaiyA? Adhu avar sankapam. 
 
So PerumaL nenacha boomerang velai seyyama panana mudiyum. As he is not bound by karma. 
 
Coming to Sharanagathi, a Sharanagathan is basically a MuMukshu. So practical issues should not hinder his joyful journey. 
 
A Sharanagathan don't do karma as others does as he is not interested in results. For a Sharanagathan the boomerang SHOULD NOT hit as hard as it does for others. 
 
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY MY FATHER LOST HIS RIGHT LEG 
 
HE COMPLETED SHARANAGATHI LONG BEFORE 
 
Devareer did not answer all the questions.Umakku suit aanadha mattum sollitu escape aagitel. 
 
Nirbhaya kku nadanthathu sariya thappa? 
 
Ravanan pirattiya apaharichadhu thappu na, adhukku mundhiya kAraNam enna? Avanuku edhavadhu aNeedhi nadanthathA previous janma la? 
 
If ravanan was not hurt before, then boomerang principle doesn't apply here 
 
He is adding to sins and his sins are not a retaliation of previous hurt 
 
In fact he is the one hurting... 
 
Neer sonnadhu appadi dhAn irudhadhu, "ella thavarukkum oru nyAyamAna karaNum Undu" appadi illai 
 
Thavarugal pudusagavum arambikkalAm 
 
En manager yen kutham soldraar endru kaetal Vikram Swamy edho thavaru panni iruppar nu soldreer 
 
Enakku eppadi previous janma nyAbagam irukkum? 
 
Ummai naan ipppo thittinAl neer thavaru seidhadhAga arthamA? 
 
Idhu yen pudhu thavarAga irukka koodAthu? 
 
Innikki oru thappu nadantha kandipela matela? 
 
Illa boomerang principle solli adha vittuduvela? 
 
Swami desikanukku seruppu maalai potta avar poruthundar 
 
Naa desikanum allan avar alavukku nyAnam ullavanum allan , naan yen poruthukkanum? 
 
AvamAnatha poruthukkO nu yenfha shAsthrathula ezhudhi irukku? 
 
Eppa pathAlum thappu senja vaala vitutu, 
Thappa thoondra valukku support pandrathey indha society yen? 
 
En phone thirudinavana vitutu, ennai "yen phone badhiramA vechukalai ?" nu kekkarar police kaar 
 
Thirudinavan thaappa? 
Thiruttu kuduthavan thappa? 
 
Dasanudasan

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கம்பன்தாசன் 0 on May 18, 2020

AvamAnatha poruthukkO nu yenfha shAsthrathula ezhudhi irukkuFrom vikraminside

Chapter 14: The Three Modes of Material Nature

TEXT 21

Arjuna inquired: O my dear Lord, by what symptoms is one known who is beyond the three gunas (satvam, rajas, tamo gunam)? What is his behavior? And how does he transcend the modes of nature?

TEXTS 22-25

sri-bhagavan uvaca: He who does not hate illumination, attachment and delusion when they are present, nor longs for them when they disappear; who is seated like one unconcerned, being situated beyond these material reactions of the modes of nature, who remains firm, knowing that the modes alone are active; who regards alike pleasure and pain, and looks on a clod, a stone and a piece of gold with an equal eye; who is wise and holds praise and blame to be the same; who is unchanged in honor and dishonor, who treats friend and foe alike, who has abandoned all fruitive undertakings-such a man is said to have transcended the modes of nature.

tulya-priyapriyo dhiras
tulya-nindatma-samstutih(நிந்தனையயும் துதியையும் சமமாக கருதுதல்
mana apamanayos tulyas – (மானம் அபமானம் சமமாக கருதுதல்)

tulyo mitrari-paksayoh
sarvarambha-parityagi
gunatitah sa ucyate

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<h4>Chapter 14: The Three Modes of Material Nature</h4> 
<div class="Textnum">TEXT 21</div> 
<div class="Translation">Arjuna inquired: O my dear Lord, by what symptoms is one known who is beyond the three gunas (satvam, rajas, tamo gunam)? What is his behavior? And how does he transcend the modes of nature?</div> 
<div class="Textnum">TEXTS 22-25</div> 
<div>sri-bhagavan uvaca: He who does not hate illumination, attachment and delusion when they are present, nor longs for them when they disappear; who is seated like one unconcerned, being situated beyond these material reactions of the modes of nature, who remains firm, knowing that the modes alone are active; who regards alike pleasure and pain, and looks on a clod, a stone and a piece of gold with an equal eye; who is wise and holds praise and blame to be the same; who is unchanged in honor and dishonor, who treats friend and foe alike, who has abandoned all fruitive undertakings-such a man is said to have transcended the modes of nature.</div> 
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<div>tulya-priyapriyo dhiras tulya-nindatma-samstutih(நிந்தனையயும் துதியையும் சமமாக கருதுதல் mana apamanayos tulyas - (மானம் அபமானம் சமமாக கருதுதல்)</div> 
<div>tulyo mitrari-paksayoh sarvarambha-parityagi gunatitah sa ucyate</div>

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vikraminside 0 on May 19, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

@KambandasanSwamy

Accepted. Its for nyAni yogi swamy. Arjuna even though he was eligible to be nyAni yOgi was advised to fight by Krishna.

Devareer giving shlokAs relevant to:
* Sukhar
* Jata Bharathar
* NammAzhwar

What about simple people like me?

Then why did Krishna punish Bhishma when he was silent for atrocity to Draupadi?

Patience has various levels. I know sapta kanni who were patient when a deva asked them to marry but those kanyAs refused. Deva punished those girls for not marrying

Finally those girl’s father said ” Though you girls were capable of punishing (bane) deva you did not use your powers for negative purpose

Finally those girls were married to deva with a amicable solution

At one end Krishna asks arjuna to fight
Other end patience is recommended

Please clarify

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
 
Sri: 
 
@KambandasanSwamy 
 
Accepted. Its for nyAni yogi swamy. Arjuna even though he was eligible to be nyAni yOgi was advised to fight by Krishna. 
 
Devareer giving shlokAs relevant to: 
* Sukhar 
* Jata Bharathar 
* NammAzhwar 
 
What about simple people like me? 
 
Then why did Krishna punish Bhishma when he was silent for atrocity to Draupadi? 
 
Patience has various levels. I know sapta kanni who were patient when a deva asked them to marry but those kanyAs refused. Deva punished those girls for not marrying 
 
Finally those girl's father said " Though you girls were capable of punishing (bane) deva you did not use your powers for negative purpose 
 
Finally those girls were married to deva with a amicable solution 
 
At one end Krishna asks arjuna to fight 
Other end patience is recommended 
 
Please clarify 
 
Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 25, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

Kambandasan Swamy, spot on. Day before listened to Krishna Premi Anna Upanyasam, Bhagavath Gita Poorthi.

Swamy said samle shloka and said by “following above he becomes my loved bhaktha”

So I am completely wrong. Its not for nyAna yOgis.
By following it one may become NyAni.

So i should supress/forego my emotions or don’t care if insulted.
Even if i am praised I should don’t care.

Kashtam dhAn but try pandren.

Samudra Rajan vazhi vida mudiyadhu, thaneer iyarkaiyin thanmai mattra mudiyadhu nu Sri Ramar kitta sonnArAm

Yamuna vazhi vitta adhu vera vishayam

Kovamum, Sirippum iyalbu, iyarkai.
Enna panna porenu therilai

“Idukkan varungal naguga” nu oppositea Thiruvallur solli irukkar

Complicated human values

Parithyajya is not easy
Avan thunai irundhAl mattumey sAdhiyam

Maximum try panndren

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
 
Sri: 
 
Kambandasan Swamy, spot on. Day before listened to Krishna Premi Anna Upanyasam, Bhagavath Gita Poorthi. 
 
Swamy said samle shloka and said by "following above he becomes my loved bhaktha" 
 
So I am completely wrong. Its not for nyAna yOgis. 
By following it one may become NyAni. 
 
So i should supress/forego my emotions or don't care if insulted. 
Even if i am praised I should don't care. 
 
Kashtam dhAn but try pandren. 
 
Samudra Rajan vazhi vida mudiyadhu, thaneer iyarkaiyin thanmai mattra mudiyadhu nu Sri Ramar kitta sonnArAm 
 
Yamuna vazhi vitta adhu vera vishayam 
 
Kovamum, Sirippum iyalbu, iyarkai. 
Enna panna porenu therilai 
 
"Idukkan varungal naguga" nu oppositea Thiruvallur solli irukkar 
 
Complicated human values 
 
Parithyajya is not easy 
Avan thunai irundhAl mattumey sAdhiyam 
 
Maximum try panndren 
 
Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
  
Vikram Swami, 
  
Devareer is interesting with own interpretation. Nathikas interpretation is to be ignored, but vaidhehaas like devareer or Adiyen interpretation should be proper due to MAHA-VISHWASAM on SriRama BhagavAn lotus Feet. 
  
Devareer's unknowing statement as "...............Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?............." should be changed as per Acharyas teachings, which is as follows. 
  
First, the Boomerang Analogy is common and Impartial to all who has KARMAS like devareer or Adiyen or anyone........ Second Sri Rama and SitaPiratti are Divya Dampathis. It doesn't apply to them. It is not necessary for Adiyen to inform devareer that they DONT HAVE ANY KARMAS, since devareer should know it already as a Sharanagathan. Isn't it Vikram Swami? 
  
So we have listen to Poorvacharyas Upanyasams to understand the real story for ourselves First since we are Aasthikas. 
  
It was LEELAI of SitaPiratti and SriRama to Save the Deva Sthrees (Deva Ladies) from Ravana, since Devas did Sharanagathy on the lotus Feet of Divya Dampathis. Not the other way like devareer's own interpretation of Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?............." ....... 
  
Now devareer throwed this statement Boomerang on Divya Dampathis, but it won't return back to devareer, since they are Karunai Ullam, but other than that, everything we throw returns to us, like if we do punya throw, we get Punya, if we throw Paapa, we get Paapa, because these throw that we do are on to  some other JeevAthma who is a PROPERTY of SitaPiratti and SriRama, and not our property. 
  
So it is best to follow things with Positive mind if we chose to do some action, if not we should be quite, since Boomerang Analogy is common and Impartial to all of us who has KARMAS like devareer or Adiyen or anyone of us. No choice. 
  
Srimadh Ramayanam is for us to cherish on Divya Dhampatis and know about Sharanagathy and Kainkaryam. 
  
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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ElayaAlwar 4 0 on May 18, 2020

Very Simple Vikram Swami.

For everything there is answer, but if the answerer (responder) gets a feeling that the questionnaire is not in a position to receive or accept the BhagavAn mechanism due to rajasik/tamasik vaasanaas in break, then it will be answered at a later time when the questionnaires sathivik Guna is on peak. So at this moment just as FYI, there are fours types of Boomerang where each ones functionality/ mechanism are different. The above mentioned in example is only one type of Boomerang. Others situation’s/ happenings in life are related to the remaining 3 types of Boomerang, where each ones functionality/ mechanism are different.

When it will be understood is, we need to keep. FULL Belief in SriRama that everything happening in ones own life (like odd or good), there is some reason to it, and some could be our own issue and some not our issue.

So Adiyen has answer for all these, and after monitoring devareer’s Satvika behaviour and reflection of how devareer keep MAHA-VISHWASAM on SriRama’s lotus Feet, Adiyen will judge if it is necessary to answer.

Adiyen ElayaAlwar Srinivasa DhoddayAcharyar Dasan

vikraminside 0 on May 19, 2020

Sri:

That’s the problem Swamy devareer is judging adiyen.

Adiyen can clearly say due to devareer’s rajasik & tamasik qualities devareer is unable to give a sAthvika answer.

Rif adiyen say that, then adiyen doing the same mistake as devareer.

Only Bhagavan can judge a devotee nobody else has rights. Please don’t do that mistake.

Jai Sri Ram
Jai Anjaneya

Dasanudasan

ElayaAlwar 0 on May 19, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Vikram Swami,
Very simple.
One who finds fault with BhagavAn SriRama us in Rajasik/Tamasik mode, like devareer statement “…. Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” …….

Did any of adiyen’s above post was blaming Perumal, then how did you make up your own interpretation and conclude as “..
Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” …….

Idhu Unga Satvika charactera Swami?, Poorvacharyargal sollaadha oru sollai yezhudhi, adharkku vilakkam vera koludukkareenga? Idhubpetu Rajasik/Tamasik illama vera yenna Swami.

Appuram Badhil Venum appadeengira podhu, just jumping around by saying “BhagavAn is the Judge”…….Nalla kolgai Swami?

Velukkudi Swami’s “Boomerang Analogy” is super applicable to adiyen or devareer or anyone with karmas.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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ElayaAlwar 0 on May 19, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Vikram Swami,

Anyone who can say the answer based on “PoorvaAcharyas teachings AS IT IS with reference to a Pramaanam“, then it is authentic answer which will not have our IGNORANT INSERTION as mentioned by Velukkudi Swami beautifully in today’s Enpani #1746 as “Moodar Avaar“. Like Adiyen or devareer or anyone who doesn’t follow this critetia are called as “Moodar” by Poorvacharyas.

So if devareer share answer as per Enpani 1746, then devareer is considered as one among the senior devotees. The only person who inserts answers based on ones own interpretation is the one who refuses to follow the above critetia and such persons populate incorrectly as “BhagavAtA Apacharam” when we inform them back that “No you are wrong”.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
Vikram Swami, 
  
Anyone who can say the answer based on "PoorvaAcharyas teachings AS IT IS with reference to a Pramaanam", then it is authentic answer which will not have our IGNORANT INSERTION as mentioned by Velukkudi Swami beautifully in today's Enpani <a href="https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/hashtag/1746/">#1746</a> as "Moodar Avaar". Like Adiyen or devareer or anyone who doesn't follow this critetia are called as "Moodar" by Poorvacharyas. 
So if devareer share answer as per Enpani 1746, then devareer is considered as one among the senior devotees. The only person who inserts answers based on ones own interpretation is the one who refuses to follow the above critetia and such persons populate incorrectly as "BhagavAtA Apacharam" when we inform them back that "No you are wrong". 
  
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 19, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha

Sri Velkkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

Swamy, nobody is challenging poorvAchAryAs but only object mis-interpretation or mixing own vies in the name of poorvAchAryAs

Secondly, there might be variations in PoorvAchAryAs views example

For SahasranAmam recitation

Mukkur Sri Lakshmi NarasimhAchAriyAr says “Women SHOULD NOT RECITE”
Srimushnam Srimath Periya Andavan Sri Rangaramanuja Mahadesikan Swamy says ” Women can recite only the nAmAvali not the sankalpam and Phala sthuthi”
Velukkudi Swamy says everyone can recite

So lets keep our assumptions aside and pick whatever relevant to us. Let’s not debate on who is right and who is wrong. We have several forums for that purpose.

Also let’s not try very hard to potray someone as against AcharyAs and gain popularity this will not workout.

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velkkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
Sri: 
Swamy, nobody is challenging poorvAchAryAs but only object mis-interpretation or mixing own vies in the name of poorvAchAryAs 
Secondly, there might be variations in PoorvAchAryAs views example 
For SahasranAmam recitation 
<ol> 
<li>Mukkur Sri Lakshmi NarasimhAchAriyAr says "Women SHOULD NOT RECITE"</li> 
<li> Srimushnam Srimath Periya Andavan Sri Rangaramanuja Mahadesikan Swamy says " Women can recite only the nAmAvali not the sankalpam and Phala sthuthi"</li> 
<li>Velukkudi Swamy says everyone can recite</li> 
</ol> 
So lets keep our assumptions aside and pick whatever relevant to us. Let's not debate on who is right and who is wrong. We have several forums for that purpose. 
Also let's not try very hard to potray someone as against AcharyAs and gain popularity this will not workout. 
Dasanudasan

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Very Simple Vikram Swami. 
For everything there is answer, but if the answerer (responder) gets a feeling that the questionnaire is not in a position to receive or accept the BhagavAn mechanism due to rajasik/tamasik vaasanaas in break, then it will be answered at a later time when the questionnaires sathivik Guna is on peak. So at this moment just as FYI, there are fours types of Boomerang where each ones functionality/ mechanism are different. The above mentioned in example is only one type of Boomerang. Others situation's/ happenings in life are related to the remaining 3 types of Boomerang, where each ones functionality/ mechanism are different. 
When it will be understood is, we need to keep. FULL Belief in SriRama that everything happening in ones own life (like odd or good), there is some reason to it, and some could be our own issue and some not our issue. 
So Adiyen has answer for all these, and after monitoring devareer's Satvika behaviour and reflection of how devareer keep MAHA-VISHWASAM on SriRama's lotus Feet, Adiyen will judge if it is necessary to answer. 
Adiyen ElayaAlwar Srinivasa DhoddayAcharyar Dasan

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vikraminside 13 0 on May 19, 2020

Srimathe Ranaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen took Velukkudi Swamy’s advice in saying 7 times Hari in the morning because adiyen found it more “acceptable”

We need to at least wash mout before saying Hari Nama

adiyen moodar dhAn but devareer pathi theriyAdhu Swamy 🙂

adiyen trying to correct myself, how about devar?

Dasanudasan

ElayaAlwar 0 on May 20, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Vikram Swami,

For devareer’s query,

“adiyen moodar dhAn but devareer pathi theriyAdhu Swamy

adiyen trying to correct myself, how about devar?“

there is a statement that adiyen already said in the above. So please read without biased mindset, copy paste as below.

“……………..Like Adiyen or devareer or anyone who doesn’t follow this criteria are called as “Moodar” by Poorvacharyas……………” which already answers your protracted Vishama Bhuddhi questions. As Velukkudi Swami has said, the Boomerang Analogy is beautiful. Every throw that we do, returns to the THROWER ONLY either in magnified scale or same scale. It is applicable to adiyen or devareer or anyone…….So now, please don’t be preconceived again and ask a question that “…..Ok, what i throw will return to me, adiyen agree, How about Devar……?, For that adiyen has already answered just now again in the above sentence as “It is applicable to adiyen or devareer or anyone…”.

நாம எப்படி விஷம புத்தியோட மற்றவர் கிட்ட எப்படி பேசுகிறோமோ, அதே போல் தான் நம்மகிட்டயும் மற்றவர்கள் பேசுவார்கள். நம்ம சௌகர்யம் எப்படி? எது வேண்டும் என்று சீர்தூக்கி பார்த்து, நாம் தான் சரியாக நடந்து கொள்ள வேண்டும்….

It doesn’t mean, devareer is always Rajasik/Tamasik, but devareer also has Satvik Gunas in many threads which is appreciated, but whenever devareer Rajasik/Tamasik guna will pop-up, especially this Dharma Sandeha is a public forum and not our private forum, such gunas will be encountered in the earliest timing when noticed by adiyen or any other BhagavAtas who notices it. This is purely to help devareer, since in may the threads, devareer has asked for help like “……………….How to control my aggression,…………………How to control my ego,………………………… how to control my BhagavAta Apacharams…..etc….”. So we are only Helping devareer.

So Don’t worry Vikram Swami, adiyen will appreciate when devareer does Satvika reflections, and adiyen will point out when devareers Rajasik/Tamasik is in peak, by NOT saying directly “YOU are Wrong”, but in a positive way may be as “Appadi seyya koodaadhu Thambi“. How about that Vikram Swami? This is adiyen’s style.

Adiyen can see some threads with clear examples where devareer throws “Aggression” on some other devotees, but devareer expectancy in return is “Suggestion” or “No one should defend me”. This doesn’t work that way Swami, since the Boomerang Analogy is BhagavAn’s Design which is common/Impartial for adiyen or devareer or anyone, same as we discussed above, What we throw is what we get in Return, no alternate choices….So Expecting Positive Mind in Return is not ONE WAY, like we can say whatever we want but other should say Positive to us. It doesn’t work that way Swami. ITS TWO WAY (Be Positive, Get Positive). If we (adiyen or devareer or anyone) want others to say Positive to us, we should be Positive/Patient to others at all times, keep trying, BhagavAn will Help through Acharya’s Grace.

Also,

Sharanagathy is done on Sharanyan “SriRama BhagavAN Perumal” Lotus Feet, since Poorvacharyas has said he is “Kuttram Attravan குற்றம் அற்றவன்“, but you say SriRama did mistake by saying “……. Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………”,

So தேவரீர் யாருகிட்ட மோக்ஷத்துக்கு சரணாகதி செய்தீர்கள்? குற்றம் உள்ளவர்கிட்டயா? அப்படீன்னா எப்படி மோக்ஷம் கிடைக்கும்.

அதே ஸ்ரீராமன் தான் மோக்ஷம் குடுக்கனும்ம்னா, அவர் குற்றம் அற்றவன் என்கிற நினைவு நமக்கு வர வேண்டாமோ சுவாமி, அப்புறம் தானே நமக்கு எல்லாம் நல்லா இருக்கும், மோக்ஷமும் கிடைக்கும். இது தானே ஆச்சார்யர்கள் நம்மக்கு சொல்லி குடுத்தாரர்கள். அப்புறம் எப்படி தேவரீர் தப்பா புரிஞ்சிண்டேல்.

சரி இனிமேலாவது “Positive Mind’oda, ஸ்ரீராமர் மேலே மகா விஷ்வாஸ்த்தோட அவரை குற்றம் சொல்லாம இருந்தால் சரிதான்.

Adiyen (ElayAlwar) Srinivasa (Dhoddayacharyar) Dasan.

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
Vikram Swami, 
For devareer's query, 
"adiyen moodar dhAn but devareer pathi theriyAdhu Swamy  
adiyen trying to correct myself, how about devar?" 
there is a statement that adiyen already said in the above. So please read without biased mindset, copy paste as below. 
".................Like Adiyen or devareer or anyone who doesn’t follow this criteria are called as “Moodar” by Poorvacharyas..............." which already answers your protracted Vishama Bhuddhi questions. As Velukkudi Swami has said, the Boomerang Analogy is beautiful. Every throw that we do, returns to the THROWER ONLY either in magnified scale or same scale. It is applicable to adiyen or devareer or anyone.......So now, please don't be preconceived again and ask a question that ".....Ok, what i throw will return to me, adiyen agree, How about Devar......?, For that adiyen has already answered just now again in the above sentence as "It is applicable to adiyen or devareer or anyone...". 
நாம எப்படி விஷம புத்தியோட மற்றவர் கிட்ட எப்படி பேசுகிறோமோ, அதே போல் தான் நம்மகிட்டயும் மற்றவர்கள் பேசுவார்கள். நம்ம சௌகர்யம் எப்படி? எது வேண்டும் என்று சீர்தூக்கி பார்த்து, நாம் தான் சரியாக நடந்து கொள்ள வேண்டும்....  
It doesn't mean, devareer is always Rajasik/Tamasik, but devareer also has Satvik Gunas in many threads which is appreciated, but whenever devareer Rajasik/Tamasik guna will pop-up, especially this Dharma Sandeha is a public forum and not our private forum, such gunas will be encountered in the earliest timing when noticed by adiyen or any other BhagavAtas who notices it. This is purely to help devareer, since in may the threads, devareer has asked for help like "...................How to control my aggression,.....................How to control my ego,.............................. how to control my BhagavAta Apacharams.....etc....". So we are only Helping devareer. 
  
So Don't worry Vikram Swami, adiyen will appreciate when devareer does Satvika reflections, and adiyen will point out when devareers Rajasik/Tamasik is in peak, by NOT saying directly "YOU are Wrong", but in a positive way may be as "Appadi seyya koodaadhu Thambi". How about that Vikram Swami? This is adiyen's style. 
  
Adiyen can see some threads with clear examples where devareer throws "Aggression" on some other devotees, but devareer expectancy in return is "Suggestion" or "No one should defend me". This doesn't work that way Swami, since the Boomerang Analogy is BhagavAn's Design which is common/Impartial for adiyen or devareer or anyone, same as we discussed above, What we throw is what we get in Return, no alternate choices....So Expecting Positive Mind in Return is not ONE WAY, like we can say whatever we want but other should say Positive to us. It doesn't work that way Swami. ITS TWO WAY (Be Positive, Get Positive).  If we (adiyen or devareer or anyone) want others to say Positive to us, we should be Positive/Patient to others at all times, keep trying, BhagavAn will Help through Acharya's Grace. 
  
Also, 
Sharanagathy is done on Sharanyan "SriRama BhagavAN Perumal" Lotus Feet, since Poorvacharyas has said he is "Kuttram Attravan குற்றம் அற்றவன்", but you say SriRama did mistake by saying  "...…. Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………”, 
So தேவரீர் யாருகிட்ட மோக்ஷத்துக்கு சரணாகதி செய்தீர்கள்? குற்றம் உள்ளவர்கிட்டயா? அப்படீன்னா எப்படி மோக்ஷம் கிடைக்கும். 
அதே ஸ்ரீராமன் தான் மோக்ஷம் குடுக்கனும்ம்னா, அவர் குற்றம் அற்றவன் என்கிற நினைவு நமக்கு வர வேண்டாமோ சுவாமி, அப்புறம் தானே நமக்கு எல்லாம் நல்லா இருக்கும், மோக்ஷமும் கிடைக்கும். இது தானே ஆச்சார்யர்கள் நம்மக்கு சொல்லி குடுத்தாரர்கள். அப்புறம் எப்படி தேவரீர் தப்பா புரிஞ்சிண்டேல். 
சரி இனிமேலாவது "Positive Mind'oda, ஸ்ரீராமர் மேலே மகா விஷ்வாஸ்த்தோட அவரை குற்றம் சொல்லாம இருந்தால் சரிதான். 
  
Adiyen (ElayAlwar) Srinivasa (Dhoddayacharyar) Dasan.

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vikraminside 1 on May 20, 2020

Swamy,

Adiyen venumney dhAn thoondi vitten to test devareer but devareer failed miserably as expected 😂

ThittinA kovam varAdhu nu sonnel but adiyenai vasai pAdareley🤣

AdhAn sonnen @KambandAsan swamy kodutha gitai example is for nyAna yOgis not for sAmAnya manushans like adiyen

“protracted Vishama Bhuddhi questions””
You are concluding adiyen having vishama budhi. Which is again wrong. Don’t be Judgemental.

“அதே போல் தான் நம்மகிட்டயும் மற்றவர்கள் பேசுவார்கள். நம்ம சௌகர்யம் எப்படி? ”

By saying this devareer not following what you advised

Manushan na kovam varum. Retaliation is there by design. Its even for other janthus. Even animals don’t give up that easily.

Second, enakku rAmar mela pooorNa vishwAsam illai nu umakku eppadi theriyum neer eppadi mudivu pannalAm?

Unakku jAbAli kadhai theriyumA?

JAbAli yen appadi pesinAr theriyumA?

AdhAn sonnen we are not sukha brahmam or jata bharathar to receive straightforward and treat equal

Naama sanyAsi kidaiyadhu
AvA example namakku porundhAdhu

Na thappa Kaeta enna? Neer SAthvikamAnavar dhAney. Umma stylela badhil soldreer tit for tat. Naichyam anusandhAdhnam seiyareerA?

Apuram edharkku mathavAlukku mattum advice?

Going deeper
Even now adiyen can prove boomerang principle is NOT always right

According ro Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s own statement

Idhai avarAlaye marukka mudiyAdhu

AchArya hrydayam kAlakshepathula avar sAdhithAr
MAmunigal sAthitha padi:
Swathanthram pradhAnamA dayai pradhAnamA ngra edathula

Example:
PerumAl nenachA kAraNam illama orutharai vaikuntathukku anuppa mudiyum.

So Swathanthriyam dhAn pradhAnam nu nirvAham

Dasanudasan

Swamy, 
 
Adiyen venumney dhAn thoondi vitten to test devareer but devareer failed miserably as expected 😂 
 
ThittinA kovam varAdhu nu sonnel but adiyenai vasai pAdareley🤣 
 
AdhAn sonnen @KambandAsan swamy kodutha gitai example is for nyAna yOgis not for sAmAnya manushans like adiyen 
 
"protracted Vishama Bhuddhi questions"" 
You are concluding adiyen having vishama budhi. Which is again wrong. Don't be Judgemental. 
 
"அதே போல் தான் நம்மகிட்டயும் மற்றவர்கள் பேசுவார்கள். நம்ம சௌகர்யம் எப்படி? " 
 
By saying this devareer not following what you advised 
 
Manushan na kovam varum. Retaliation is there by design. Its even for other janthus. Even animals don't give up that easily. 
 
Second, enakku rAmar mela pooorNa vishwAsam illai nu umakku eppadi theriyum neer eppadi mudivu pannalAm? 
 
Unakku jAbAli kadhai theriyumA? 
 
JAbAli yen appadi pesinAr theriyumA? 
 
AdhAn sonnen we are not sukha brahmam or jata bharathar to receive straightforward and treat equal 
 
Naama sanyAsi kidaiyadhu 
AvA example namakku porundhAdhu 
 
Na thappa Kaeta enna? Neer SAthvikamAnavar dhAney. Umma stylela badhil soldreer tit for tat. Naichyam anusandhAdhnam seiyareerA? 
 
Apuram edharkku mathavAlukku mattum advice? 
 
Going deeper 
Even now adiyen can prove boomerang principle is NOT always right 
 
According ro Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy's own statement 
 
Idhai avarAlaye marukka mudiyAdhu 
 
AchArya hrydayam kAlakshepathula avar sAdhithAr 
MAmunigal sAthitha padi: 
Swathanthram pradhAnamA dayai pradhAnamA ngra edathula 
 
Example: 
PerumAl nenachA kAraNam illama orutharai vaikuntathukku anuppa mudiyum. 
 
So Swathanthriyam dhAn pradhAnam nu nirvAham 
 
Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 20, 2020

“So தேவரீர் யாருகிட்ட மோக்ஷத்துக்கு சரணாகதி செய்தீர்கள்? குற்றம் உள்ளவர்கிட்டயா? அப்படீன்னா எப்படி மோக்ஷம் கிடைக்கும்”

Modhalla judgement pandratha niruthum. Neer kaetadhukku badhil kelvi kaeten avlo dhAn.

Ippo Ramar kuttravali avar kitta adiyen sharanAgathi pannirukken nu devareer sthApikireer.

So ramar kuttravali nu sonna kuttram devareerai serum.

Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 20, 2020

“சரி இனிமேலாவது “Positive Mind’oda, ஸ்ரீராமர் மேலே மகா விஷ்வாஸ்த்தோட அவரை குற்றம் சொல்லாம இருந்தால் சரிதான்.”

Adiyen positive dhAn, devareer dhAn Sri Ramarukku defence counsel pol pesindrikkeer.

Kelvi kaettal badhil solla mudiyalai, thani nabar meedhu kuttram kandu pidikka vendiyadhu

“Ravanan kadathiyatharkku mun irundha kAranam enna?
Ravananukku nigazhtha patta aneedhi enna? ”

According to boomerang principle.

If you scold me, I did a mistake (previously)
If I scold you, you did a mistake (previously)!

This is your boomerang principle which adiyen is objecting

Adiyen say, everything need not have a reason

Again quoting from Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s example

Inquisitive Shishyan: Why this leaf is towards left side?
Guru: (Frustrated) because you will ask, why that leaf turned right side, that’s why its in left side.

Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy concludes:
Everything need not have a reason. There will be certain things as it is which needs to be accepted.

Adiyenum avar shishyan dhAn voi

Dasanudasan

"சரி இனிமேலாவது “Positive Mind’oda, ஸ்ரீராமர் மேலே மகா விஷ்வாஸ்த்தோட அவரை குற்றம் சொல்லாம இருந்தால் சரிதான்." 
 
Adiyen positive dhAn, devareer dhAn Sri Ramarukku defence counsel pol pesindrikkeer. 
 
Kelvi kaettal badhil solla mudiyalai, thani nabar meedhu kuttram kandu pidikka vendiyadhu 
 
"Ravanan kadathiyatharkku mun irundha kAranam enna? 
Ravananukku nigazhtha patta aneedhi enna? " 
 
According to boomerang principle. 
 
If you scold me, I did a mistake (previously) 
If I scold you, you did a mistake (previously)! 
 
This is your boomerang principle which adiyen is objecting 
 
Adiyen say, everything need not have a reason 
 
Again quoting from Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy's example 
 
Inquisitive Shishyan: Why this leaf is towards left side? 
Guru: (Frustrated) because you will ask, why that leaf turned right side, that's why its in left side. 
 
Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy concludes: 
Everything need not have a reason. There will be certain things as it is which needs to be accepted. 
 
Adiyenum avar shishyan dhAn voi 
 
Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 20, 2020

Errata : Wherever “Unakku” is coming please replace it with “Umakku” it’s keyboard auto correction issue.

Kshamikanum

vikraminside 0 on May 20, 2020

@ElayaAlwar swamy

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Did any of adiyen’s above post was blaming Perumal, then how did you make up your own interpretation and conclude as “..
Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” ……

It was LEELAI of SitaPiratti and SriRama to Save the Deva Sthrees (Deva Ladies) from Ravana, since Devas did Sharanagathy on the lotus Feet of Divya Dampathis. Not the other way like devareer’s own interpretation of Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” …….

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Is it? Enbadhu question not conclusion. English theriyumA theriyAdhA swamy?

Adiyen did not point out devareer. Adiyen just saying devarer’s reference is incorrect.

Adiyen was asking why Ravan did a mistake? According to boomerang principle there should be a reason.

By saying Perumal did a leelai, it sounds like PerumaL’s leelai was the starting point of Ravan’s mistake.

Technically its correct , in fact entire creation is Perumal’s leelai.

In Ravan’s case he was doing atrocities not because he wanted to go back to Sri Vaikuntam

He was doing because he was a sinner by nature. He didin’t want to correct himself

No action provoked him to do. Did Ravan remember his previous birth? I don’t think so , if he had remembered he wouldn’t have done any mistake in first place

Please tell me. Chumma pesanumey nu pesa pdathu.

“SriRam’s leelai did not make Ravan to abduct ”
This is not immediate cause this may be root cause.

This inference us incorrect. This is NOT INTERPRETATION but INFERENCE.

Namma own interpretation thappu nu dhAn Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy solli irukkAr

Reasoning kudAthu nu edha idathulayum sollala

KAraNan nee
Karpavai nee
Katravai nee
Narkirisai NaaraNan nee
NangArindhEn nAn

KarpAr rAma pirAnai allAl mattrum karparo?

Dasanudasan

@ElayaAlwar swamy 
 
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Did any of adiyen’s above post was blaming Perumal, then how did you make up your own interpretation and conclude as “.. 
Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” …… 
 
 
It was LEELAI of SitaPiratti and SriRama to Save the Deva Sthrees (Deva Ladies) from Ravana, since Devas did Sharanagathy on the lotus Feet of Divya Dampathis. Not the other way like devareer’s own interpretation of Wow, So Sri Ram did some mistake & Ravan took Sita away is it?.…………” ……. 
 
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Is it? Enbadhu question not conclusion. English theriyumA theriyAdhA swamy? 
 
Adiyen did not point out devareer. Adiyen just saying devarer's reference is incorrect. 
 
Adiyen was asking why Ravan did a mistake? According to boomerang principle there should be a reason. 
 
By saying Perumal did a leelai, it sounds like PerumaL's leelai was the starting point of Ravan's mistake. 
 
 
Technically its correct , in fact entire creation is Perumal's leelai. 
 
In Ravan's case he was doing atrocities not because he wanted to go back to Sri Vaikuntam 
 
He was doing because he was a sinner by nature. He didin't want to correct himself 
 
No action provoked him to do. Did Ravan remember his previous birth? I don't think so , if he had remembered he wouldn't have done any mistake in first place 
 
Please tell me. Chumma pesanumey nu pesa pdathu. 
 
"SriRam's leelai did not make Ravan to abduct " 
This is not immediate cause this may be root cause. 
 
This inference us incorrect. This is NOT INTERPRETATION but INFERENCE. 
 
Namma own interpretation thappu nu dhAn Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy solli irukkAr 
 
Reasoning kudAthu nu edha idathulayum sollala 
 
KAraNan nee 
Karpavai nee 
Katravai nee 
Narkirisai NaaraNan nee 
NangArindhEn nAn 
 
KarpAr rAma pirAnai allAl mattrum karparo? 
 
Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on May 20, 2020

Sri:

Ippa Periya VAchAn Pillai Swamy , Azhwar idhayatha interpret panni irukkAr.

Logicalla irundhadhu yethundrukkom

Maybe avar kAlathulayum 4 per question senju irukkalAm

Kamba Ramayanatha Question senjA mAdhiri

Vishishtadvaiti Advaithi ya question seiyarA

Swamy Desikana inni vaiarkum then kalaiyAr question senjundu irukkA

Swamy MAmunigala inni varaikum vadakalaiyAr question senjundu irukka

We have learned to live along the differences

Enna ivA ellArum SAshthratha Adipadaiya vechundu pesarA

Adiyen arai kuraiyA pesaren

Adiyenoda kelvi ennana

11lakh shlokam mahabharathathula kAnAma poiduthu endrAl

Vedthathula neraya shAkhai kAnAma poiduthu endrAl

IvA ellarum shAsthrathai muzhumaiyAga arindhavargal endru eppadi koora mudiyum?

Kelvi AzhamAnadhu
Anaithu periyOrgalum
Kshamikanum
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Dasanudasan

Sri: 
 
Ippa Periya VAchAn Pillai Swamy , Azhwar idhayatha interpret panni irukkAr. 
 
Logicalla irundhadhu yethundrukkom 
 
Maybe avar kAlathulayum 4 per question senju irukkalAm 
 
Kamba Ramayanatha Question senjA mAdhiri 
 
Vishishtadvaiti Advaithi ya question seiyarA 
 
Swamy Desikana inni vaiarkum then kalaiyAr question senjundu irukkA 
 
Swamy MAmunigala inni varaikum vadakalaiyAr question senjundu irukka 
 
We have learned to live along the differences 
 
Enna ivA ellArum SAshthratha Adipadaiya vechundu pesarA 
 
Adiyen arai kuraiyA pesaren 
 
Adiyenoda kelvi ennana 
 
11lakh shlokam mahabharathathula kAnAma poiduthu endrAl 
 
Vedthathula neraya shAkhai kAnAma poiduthu endrAl 
 
IvA ellarum shAsthrathai muzhumaiyAga arindhavargal endru eppadi koora mudiyum? 
 
Kelvi AzhamAnadhu 
Anaithu periyOrgalum 
Kshamikanum 
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enpanifan 0 on May 21, 2020

Srimate Ramnunajaye Namaha!

Namaskaaram swamis, looks like this thread has taken unexpected twists and turns.

I share some of my thoughts on some of the topics discussed above.

Even though Boomerang principle is true, we should not apply it to others or see that others are suffering due to their past actions, we should apply it to ourselves and if others are interested they can choose to apply it to themselves.
Secondly Boomerang principle is a continuous chain of cause and effect, it is impossible to know clearly if one event or action is a cause or effect.. If person A and person B are involved, for one it may be a cause for a future event and for one it may be an effect of a past event.. and there many more combinations. But the principle is we need not try to know whether an event is a cause or effect. We only need to know what we need to do.
Reference from Srimad Bhagavatham 1st canto chapter 17 “He [Mahārāja Parīkṣit] repeatedly addressed and questioned the bull thus: O son of Surabhi, who has cut off your three legs? In the state of the kings who are obedient to the laws of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, there is no one as unhappy as you”

Text 17: The personality of religion( bull) said: These words just spoken by you befit a person of the Pāṇḍava dynasty. Captivated by the devotional qualities of the Pāṇḍavas, even Lord Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, performed duties as a messenger.

Text 18: O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers.

Text 19: Some of the philosophers, who deny all sorts of duality, declare that one’s own self is responsible for his personal happiness and distress. Others say that superhuman powers are responsible, while yet others say that activity is responsible, and the gross materialists maintain that nature is the ultimate cause.

Text 20: There are also some thinkers who believe that no one can ascertain the cause of distress by argumentation, nor know it by imagination, nor express it by words. O sage amongst kings, judge for yourself by thinking over all this with your own intelligence.

Text 21: Sūta Gosvāmī said: O best among the brāhmaṇas, the Emperor Parīkṣit, thus hearing the personality of religion speak, was fully satisfied, and without mistake or regret he gave his reply.

Text 22: The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.

So It is clear that we cannot identify the cause so easily and if we do so we take a part of the reactions as well.

3. So now coming to what we should do, there was one verse quoted from Bhagavat Gita by Kamban dasan swami on how one should be neutral without happiness or sadness during times like when we are respected or insulted. Then Vikram swami quited how Lord Krishna asked Arjuna to fight, Both are true if seen in correct context. The first instruction given to be equally situated is when our own material self ( mind body and intelligence) experience comfort or discomfort Sri Krishna asks Arjuna to remain calm without getting excited or depressed. In Arjuna’s case his mental impression of fighting with his relatives and Guru was creating a mental block in his service , So Krishna said be equanimous to these kind of your likes and dislikes.

Then when it comes to service to Krishna ( in this case to establish Righteous dharmic kingdom) Krishna asks Arjuna to fight.

So in our case we should not fight for saving our mind , intelligence and false ego. But if there is danger to our service to Krishna , we should defend and take necessary action to protect the service . So if one is working as a service so as to maintain a spiritually centered family and the job is the source of maintenance for all the family members who are devotees , then to protect the service, whatever needs to be done must be done. It can be done in multiple ways- best is to be defensive, aggression is allowed to the proportion we are pure in that service and if the service requires it.

Arjuna was highly pure so he can go the extent of killing as well, which may not be applicable to many of us. But each person can decide what is best for their case , and in critical situations can consult senior members of the family or sath sangam.

Jai Shree Krishna!

Adiyen.

Srimate Ramnunajaye Namaha! 
Namaskaaram swamis, looks like this thread has taken unexpected twists and turns. 
I share some of my thoughts on some of the topics discussed above. 
<ol> 
<li>Even though Boomerang principle is true, we should not apply it to others or see that others are suffering due to their past actions, we should apply it to ourselves and if others are interested they can choose to apply it to themselves.</li> 
<li>Secondly Boomerang principle is a continuous chain of cause and effect, it is impossible to know clearly if one event or action is a  cause or effect..  If person A and person B are involved, for one it may be a cause for a future event and for one it may be an effect of a past event.. and there many more combinations. But the principle is we need not try to know whether an event is a cause or effect. We only need to know what we need to do. </li> 
<li>Reference from Srimad Bhagavatham 1st canto chapter 17  "He [Mahārāja Parīkṣit] repeatedly addressed and questioned the bull thus: O son of Surabhi, who has cut off your three legs? In the state of the kings who are obedient to the laws of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, there is no one as unhappy as you"</li> 
</ol> 
<div id="17"><a href="http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/1/17/17">Text 17</a>: The personality of religion( bull) said: These words just spoken by you befit a person of the Pāṇḍava dynasty. Captivated by the devotional qualities of the Pāṇḍavas, even Lord Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, performed duties as a messenger.</div> 
<div id="18"><a href="http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/1/17/18">Text 18</a>: O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers.</div> 
<div id="19"><a href="http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/1/17/19">Text 19</a>: Some of the philosophers, who deny all sorts of duality, declare that one’s own self is responsible for his personal happiness and distress. Others say that superhuman powers are responsible, while yet others say that activity is responsible, and the gross materialists maintain that nature is the ultimate cause.</div> 
<div id="20"><a href="http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/1/17/20">Text 20</a>: There are also some thinkers who believe that no one can ascertain the cause of distress by argumentation, nor know it by imagination, nor express it by words. O sage amongst kings, judge for yourself by thinking over all this with your own intelligence.</div> 
<div id="21"><a href="http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/1/17/21">Text 21</a>: Sūta Gosvāmī said: O best among the brāhmaṇas, the Emperor Parīkṣit, thus hearing the personality of religion speak, was fully satisfied, and without mistake or regret he gave his reply.</div> 
<div id="22"><a href="http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/1/17/22">Text 22</a>: The King said: O you, who are in the form of a bull! You know the truth of religion, and you are speaking according to the principle that the destination intended for the perpetrator of irreligious acts is also intended for one who identifies the perpetrator. You are no other than the personality of religion.</div> 
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<div>So It is clear that we cannot identify the cause so easily and if we do so we take a part of the reactions as well.</div> 
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<div>3. So now coming to what we should do, there was one verse quoted from Bhagavat Gita by Kamban dasan swami on how one should be neutral without happiness or sadness during times like when we are respected or insulted. Then Vikram swami quited how Lord Krishna asked Arjuna to fight, Both are true if seen in correct context. The first instruction given to be equally situated is when our own material self ( mind body and intelligence) experience comfort or discomfort Sri Krishna asks Arjuna to remain calm without getting excited or depressed. In Arjuna's case his mental impression of fighting with his relatives and Guru was creating a mental block in his service , So Krishna said be equanimous to these kind of your likes and dislikes.</div> 
<div>Then when it comes to service to Krishna ( in this case to establish Righteous dharmic kingdom) Krishna asks Arjuna to fight.</div> 
<div>So in our case we should not fight for saving our mind , intelligence and false ego. But if there is danger to our service to Krishna , we should defend and take necessary action to protect the service . So if one is working as a service so as to maintain a spiritually centered family and the job is the source of maintenance for all the family members who are devotees , then to protect the service, whatever needs to be done must be done. It can be done in multiple ways- best is to be defensive, aggression is allowed to the proportion we are pure in that service and if the service requires it. </div> 
<div>Arjuna was highly pure so he can go the extent of killing as well, which may not be applicable to many of us. But each person can decide what is best for their case , and in critical situations can consult senior members of the family or sath sangam.</div> 
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<div>Jai Shree Krishna!</div> 
<div> </div> 
<div>Adiyen.</div> 
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vikraminside 0 on May 24, 2020

Dhanyosmi Swamy beautiful answer and to all Swamies 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Veda says “Man longs for praises”

Even human likes sthothrams
Oru manushyana pArAttinA pidikkumAm

Appo thittinA?
No hard feelings
Adiyen switching to other topics

Hope this thread made its purpose

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vikraminside 0 on May 25, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

Kambandasan Swamy, spot on. Day before listened to Krishna Premi Anna Upanyasam, Bhagavath Gita Poorthi.

Swamy said samle shloka and said by “following above he becomes my loved bhaktha”

So I am completely wrong. Its not for nyAna yOgis.
By following it one may become NyAni.

So i should supress/forego my emotions or don’t care if insulted.
Even if i am praised I should don’t care.

Kashtam dhAn but try pandren.

Samudra Rajan vazhi vida mudiyadhu, thaneer iyarkaiyin thanmai mattra mudiyadhu nu Sri Ramar kitta sonnArAm

Yamuna vazhi vitta adhu vera vishayam

Kovamum, Sirippum iyalbu, iyarkai.
Enna panna porenu therilai

“Idukkan varungal naguga” nu oppositea Thiruvallur solli irukkar

Complicated human values

Parithyajya is not easy
Avan thunai irundhAl mattumey sAdhiyam

Maximum try panndren

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
 
Sri: 
 
Kambandasan Swamy, spot on. Day before listened to Krishna Premi Anna Upanyasam, Bhagavath Gita Poorthi. 
 
Swamy said samle shloka and said by "following above he becomes my loved bhaktha" 
 
So I am completely wrong. Its not for nyAna yOgis. 
By following it one may become NyAni. 
 
So i should supress/forego my emotions or don't care if insulted. 
Even if i am praised I should don't care. 
 
Kashtam dhAn but try pandren. 
 
Samudra Rajan vazhi vida mudiyadhu, thaneer iyarkaiyin thanmai mattra mudiyadhu nu Sri Ramar kitta sonnArAm 
 
Yamuna vazhi vitta adhu vera vishayam 
 
Kovamum, Sirippum iyalbu, iyarkai. 
Enna panna porenu therilai 
 
"Idukkan varungal naguga" nu oppositea Thiruvallur solli irukkar 
 
Complicated human values 
 
Parithyajya is not easy 
Avan thunai irundhAl mattumey sAdhiyam 
 
Maximum try panndren 
 
Dasanudasan

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Ramanuja- Parakalan dasan 2 0 on June 2, 2020

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Srimate Ranga Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namah

Srimate Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha

For a Saranagata its important to understand as stated in the Gita chapter 3 about Karma Yogam, which classifies it, in remembering the 3 major pointers, one Kartartva Bhudhi Tyagam, Mamakara Tyagam and Tayenda Phalan Tyagam, The main highlight of Karma Yogam is about doing every task but with utmost detachment and doing the required task or duty for duty’s sake and as a worship to Sri Hari, that’s what he likes i.e understanding the true meaning and implementing his teaching to the fullest, don’t worry if in any case any task assigned to you remains incomplete, however you put your 100% effort i.e keeping in mind the principles and guidelines set and liked by sri krishna .Since he only also stated in the Gita, A task done with keeping in mind the guidelines issued by me and with unconditional faith then even if the assigned material task isn’t complete but your transcendental activity is certainly complete 100% since when He the ultimate is satisfied then since all are part and parcel of him, would certainly be satisfied. So don’t worry, one more samadhanam could also be, since this is your last birth in the bhoo lokam and the next birth is only in Sri Vaikuntam, for which there should not be any karmas in backlog, for which Bhagwan when through Acharyan, Pirati and Thirumal’s Grace made us to perform Saranagati, immediately all the infinite life times Karmas are ( Theeynil Dhoos Agum ); As per Andaal’s Pasuram, what is left is just this life’s limited amount of karmas, Bhagwan is only waiting for that to exhaust and once done through his grace, then certainly the next moment will be on the side of Vrija Nadi to proceed further towards Divya Dampati. You can ask that why can’t he not eradicate all the karmas now itself, the samadhanam could be, in order to develop Vairagyam from this material world and a die hard urge to get to the lord, remember Gokula Sthree “Chintamani’s” story . And for more detailed explanation on Karma yoga, do read Swami Vivekananda’s book over the same name from google. I hope this suffices, all credits of the above content to Acharyan, Divya Dampati and Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s Upanayasams.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

கம்பன்தாசன் 0 on June 2, 2020

Swamy Ramanuja-dasan, I agree with your explanation on Kartartva Bhudhi Tyagam, Mamakara Tyagam and Phalan Tyagam. But I disagree with your suggestion to read Vivekananda’s writing. His understanding is not as per Vishista-adwaitam. May be some part of his writing may match our acharyas’ teachings but differ in other parts. So, reading that is likely to at the worst mislead the reader or at the least confuse the reader. We have so many Vaishnava acharyas specifically those in Ramanuja sampradaya who have extensively written and spoken on this topic and that should be our reference to safely go back to Vaikuntha without confusions in course of this life time.

The easiest source of reference is upanyasams on Bhagavad GIta by our Velukkudi swamy.

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Ramanuja- Parakalan dasan 0 on June 2, 2020

Kambandasan Swami, I too agree with you over what you mentioned, since we all are very much blessed that our Azhwars and Poorvacharyas who have left treasure of jewels to carry on and utilize for the remaining part of our life and ultimately reach Sri Hari’s abode, but the only reason I suggested it was because it totally synced with what krishna has stated in the Gita and even there is Pramanam through Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s Upanayasams, Moreover I personally read it and most importantly the author stresses upon Doing Work( Karma) that too what is required as per demand and situation and not to remain Idle and renounce work, again the same thing as stated by Krishna to Arjuna. Moreover if you read the book once you yourself will find that the author has carried forward the teachings of Sri Krishna to the General Public as a general observation, however it does’nt hinders, nor confuses the readers by stressing upon one particular argument or statement.

However if you check out his Raja Yoga book, there offcourse it mentions, Liberation or Atma Sakshatkaram (Kaivalya only) through Ashtanga Yoga and since he himself practised it and got liberation . So again, I agree with you swami completely that we need not have to roam anywhere for enlightenment since our poorvacharyas texts and current Acharyas Anugraham along side with Divya Dampathis’s is in itself is enough, but however, if an individual has the curiosity to get knowledge and seriously desires for it then certainly Thirumal won’t leave him in standstill and lurch .For just curiosity he will make sure that his child must get what he desires with ultra most care since what knowledge the child wants to acquire isn’t something material rather of the supreme. For this, Sri Krishnan Swamy in his upanayasams has so many times said, if you wish to acquire knowledge of Bhagwan then he will certainly help you with the required sources, herein required sources just not mean Internet Facility etc.. it also most importantly mean, what in TN is called as “PAGUTHE ARIVU” ( To differentiate between what is Right or Wrong )

Please in any case do not mistook me, that I wanted to prove my point right, its just that I am seriously blessed to have got this platform to express my views which are certainly the divine experiences of the lord to his bhakta, wherein the above mentioned in the previous post, was a suggestion which through Acharyan and Divya Dampathis Anugraham got a divine experience and not mention it worked and was enlightening, Firstly these experiences are in itself are very much bracing and that to share it with Bhaktas i.e if you are seriously curious about knowing him then you would not have even thought of that particular source but you will get it . More to share , when the right time comes.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

Srimate Varaha Mahadesikaya Namah

Kambandasan Swami, I too agree with you over what you mentioned, since we all are very much blessed that our Azhwars and Poorvacharyas who have left treasure of jewels to carry on  and utilize for the remaining part of our life and ultimately reach Sri Hari's abode, but the only reason I suggested it was because it totally synced with what krishna has stated in the Gita and even there is Pramanam through Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy's Upanayasams, Moreover I personally read it and most importantly the author stresses upon Doing Work( Karma) that too what is required as per demand and situation and not to remain Idle and renounce work, again the same thing as stated by Krishna to Arjuna. Moreover if you read  the book once you yourself will find that the author has carried forward the teachings of Sri Krishna to the General Public as a general observation, however it does'nt hinders, nor confuses the readers by stressing upon one particular argument or statement. 
However if you check out his Raja Yoga book, there offcourse it mentions, Liberation or Atma Sakshatkaram (Kaivalya only) through Ashtanga Yoga and since he himself practised it and got liberation . So again, I agree with you swami completely that we need not have to roam anywhere for enlightenment since our poorvacharyas texts and current Acharyas Anugraham along side with Divya Dampathis's is in itself is enough, but however, if an individual has the curiosity to get knowledge and seriously desires for it then certainly Thirumal won't leave him in standstill and lurch .For just curiosity he will make sure that his child must get what he desires with ultra most care since what knowledge the child wants to acquire isn't something material rather of the supreme. For this, Sri Krishnan Swamy in his upanayasams has so many times said, if you wish to acquire knowledge of Bhagwan then he will certainly help  you with the required sources, herein required sources just not mean Internet Facility etc.. it also most importantly mean, what in TN is called as "PAGUTHE ARIVU" ( To differentiate between what is Right or Wrong ) 
Please in any case do not mistook me, that I wanted to prove my point right, its just that I am seriously blessed to have got this platform to express my views which are certainly the divine experiences of the lord to his bhakta, wherein the above mentioned in the previous post, was a suggestion which through Acharyan and Divya Dampathis Anugraham got a divine experience and not mention it worked and was enlightening, Firstly  these experiences are in itself are very much bracing and that to  share it with Bhaktas i.e if you are seriously curious about knowing him then you would not have even thought of that particular source but you will get it . More to share , when the right time comes. 
  
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan 
Srimate Varaha Mahadesikaya Namah

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Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan 
Srimate Ranga Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namah 
Srimate Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
For a Saranagata its important to understand as stated in the Gita chapter 3 about Karma Yogam, which classifies it, in remembering the 3 major pointers, one Kartartva Bhudhi Tyagam, Mamakara Tyagam and Tayenda Phalan Tyagam, The main highlight of Karma Yogam is about doing every task but with utmost detachment and doing the required task or duty for duty's sake and as a worship to Sri Hari, that's what he likes i.e understanding the true meaning and implementing his teaching to the fullest, don't worry if in any case any task assigned to you remains incomplete, however you put your 100% effort i.e keeping in mind the principles and guidelines set and liked by sri krishna .Since he only also stated in the Gita, A task done with keeping in mind the guidelines issued  by me and with unconditional faith then even if the assigned material task isn't complete but your transcendental activity is certainly complete 100% since when He the ultimate is satisfied then since all are part and parcel of him, would certainly be satisfied. So don't worry, one more samadhanam could also be, since this is your last birth in the bhoo lokam and the next birth is only in Sri Vaikuntam, for which there should not be any karmas in backlog, for which Bhagwan when through Acharyan, Pirati and Thirumal's Grace  made us to perform Saranagati, immediately all the infinite life times Karmas are ( Theeynil Dhoos Agum ); As per Andaal's Pasuram, what is left is just this life's limited amount of karmas, Bhagwan is only waiting for that to exhaust and once done through his grace, then certainly the next moment will be on the side of Vrija Nadi to proceed further towards Divya Dampati. You can ask that why can't he not eradicate all the karmas now itself, the samadhanam could be, in order to develop Vairagyam from this material world and a die hard urge to get to the lord, remember Gokula Sthree "Chintamani's" story . And for more detailed explanation on Karma yoga, do read Swami Vivekananda's book over the same name from google. I hope this suffices, all credits of the above content to Acharyan, Divya Dampati and Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy's Upanayasams. 
  
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கம்பன்தாசன் 1 0 on June 2, 2020

Dear Ramanuja-dasan swamy,

Thank you for sharing. Personally I don’t trust my mind to make decisions. I am very much afraid that if I stray away from our acharyas’ teachings my mind may get tempted by explorative tendency and get enamoured by topics and explanations where seemingly correct explanations are mixed with improprer explanations. Being a person who lacks proper discimination, I filter out such sources right at the first step and stick to our acharya’s teachings. This way I know I am safe. For example, if I go and read Mr.V’s book for karma yoga as you have mentioned, somehow if my mind gets captivated by his writing style or whatever, then I may be tempted to read his Raja yoga and other writings. Before I realise, I will be lost completely!

If Velukkudi swamy shares something, it is like the mother eating the bitter medicine and giving the essence to the child. He has the discrimination to do so. So, if something comes through him that is very much acceptable.

In fact, in Sri Vaishanva sampradaya literature there are many example borrowed from adwaita scholars, and appropriately explained by our acharyas. Because it comes throught them, I know it is safe for me. But does that mean I can go and try to extract the good from adwaita writings myself? No; firstly I dont’ have the intelligence and discrimination to do so; secondly, I don’t have the time… there is so much to learn from our acharyas that I can not afford time to read other literature.

If there is shortage of food in my home then I may think of eating from outside. But when there is so much nutritious tasty food at my home prepared by my loving parents, why would I want to explore outside? One life time is not sufficient to read and learn all that our acharyas have given us; then why waste time reading other things where I have to be careful to weed out non-sampradaya explanations? Especially when I am not intelligent enough to do so?

When I am careful like this for my own welfare, I wouldn’t dare to recommend others to stray to outside sources.

As you rightly said, if someone is genuinely interested Perumal will guide that person to genuine knowledge. That way he has guided my to our acharyas’ teachings. Now if I stray out that is not due to ‘genuine interest’; rather it is due to ‘curiosity’ that kind of curiosity the cat in the famous proverb had.

I am in kali yuga; I know things that are not genuine are usually more attractive to the material senses and mind. I am an easy prey for such temptations. Hence I tend to keep away; and I wouldn’t suggest the same to others.

adiyen dasan.

PS: I had seen your updated message on the previous post. Delighted to hear the update how you benefitted from your acharya’s anugraham. I had tried to send a personal message to you on this through this forum; but I guess it got removed by the moderators and you didn’t get to see it; that is okay.

I just wanted to joyfully share that following our acharya’s instruction it will bring all auspiciousness to everyone concerned. It is not only good for us who follow the instructions but is also good for others who are indirectly involved; EVERY person involved will benefit from it.

adiyen dasan.

Ramanuja- Parakalan dasan 0 on June 2, 2020

Adiyen Dasan swamy, thanks for the response, I was very much elated when I read and I quote” I filter out such sources right at the first step and stick to our acharya’s teachings. This way I know I am safe”, With such kind of attitude of complete faith in our Acharya Purushas and also the Anugraham they bestow upon us its very much clear that we won’t go astray .

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Dear Ramanuja-dasan swamy, 
Thank you for sharing. Personally I don't trust my mind to make decisions. I am very much afraid that if I stray away from our acharyas' teachings my mind may get tempted by explorative tendency and get enamoured by topics and explanations where seemingly correct explanations are mixed with improprer explanations. Being a person who lacks proper discimination, I filter out such sources right at the first step and stick to our acharya's teachings. This way I know I am safe. For example, if I go and read Mr.V's book for karma yoga as you have mentioned, somehow if my mind gets captivated by his writing style or whatever, then I may be tempted to read his Raja yoga and other writings. Before I realise, I will be lost completely! 
If Velukkudi swamy shares something, it is like the mother eating the bitter medicine and giving the essence to the child. He has the discrimination to do so. So, if something comes through him that is very much acceptable.  
In fact, in Sri Vaishanva sampradaya literature there are many example borrowed from adwaita scholars, and appropriately explained by our acharyas. Because it comes throught them, I know it is safe for me. But does that mean I can go and try to extract the good from adwaita writings myself? No; firstly I dont' have the intelligence and discrimination to do so; secondly, I don't have the time... there is so much to learn from our acharyas that I can not afford time to read other literature. 
If there is shortage of food in my home then I may think of eating from outside. But when there is so much nutritious tasty food at my home prepared by my loving parents, why would I want to explore outside? One life time is not sufficient to read and learn all that our acharyas have given us; then why waste time reading other things where I have to be careful to weed out non-sampradaya explanations? Especially when I am not intelligent enough to do so? 
When I am careful like this for my own welfare, I wouldn't dare to recommend others to stray to outside sources. 
As you rightly said, if someone is genuinely interested Perumal will guide that person to genuine knowledge. That way he has guided my to our acharyas' teachings. Now if I stray out that is not due to 'genuine interest'; rather it is due to 'curiosity' that kind of curiosity the cat in the famous proverb had. 
I am in kali yuga; I know things that are not genuine are usually more attractive to the material senses and mind. I am an easy prey for such temptations. Hence I tend to keep away; and I wouldn't suggest the same to others. 
adiyen dasan. 
  
PS: I had seen your updated message on the previous post. Delighted to hear the update how you benefitted from your acharya's anugraham. I had tried to send a personal message to you on this through this forum; but I guess it got removed by the moderators and you didn't get to see it; that is okay. 
 I just wanted to joyfully share that following our acharya's instruction it will bring all auspiciousness to everyone concerned. It is not only good for us who follow the instructions but is also good for others who are indirectly involved; EVERY person involved will benefit from it. 
adiyen dasan.

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Ramanuja- Parakalan dasan 8 0 on June 2, 2020

Namaskaram Swami

I want your opinion on how to practice and follow Ekadesi in college hostel, even if followed, then the next day certainly by 8:30 to do parayanam and break the fast with the prescribed meals only, if not followed then will it be shastra virudham and apart from this also suggest me over how to consume the hostel food ( Rajas and Tamas) in mind?????

enpanifan 1 on June 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya namaha!

Namskaaram swami
This query could have been posted as a new thread.
To break the fast some simple easy to make dish like aval pori kadalai can be offered as neivadyam to Lord onside hostel.room and paarayanam can be broken.
But i understand that some these items are not considered pure by some as they are partially cooked before. But definitely they will be purer than the hostel food.
Nellikai can be bought and offered to Lord in room and can be used for parayanam as well.

Regarding hostel food while consuming it can pray deeply to Krishna that due to circumstances i am stuck and taking this non prasadam.. but kindly if you feel so please provide me a situation where i can offer you neivadyam and take prasadam only..when taken with that mood the effect of raj as and tamas will be reduced and you will surely be provided a better oppurtunity conducive for your spirtual growth..there are so many possibilities..a well spiritual relative may shift to your city, some caterers or mess operators who cook as per vaideha standards may be available, or you may rent your own place outside hostel to have cooking facilities..not sure what is Krishna’plan ..need to wait and see.
Prayers of velukkudi swami and other bhakthas in the forum will help to unfold the plan.
Adiyen

Srimate Ramanujaya namaha! 
 
Namskaaram swami 
This query could have been posted as a new thread. 
To break the fast some simple easy to make dish like aval pori kadalai can be offered as neivadyam to Lord onside hostel.room and paarayanam can be broken. 
But i understand that some these items are not considered pure by some as they are partially cooked before. But definitely they will be purer than the hostel food. 
Nellikai can be bought and offered to Lord in room and can be used for parayanam as well. 
 
Regarding hostel food while consuming it can pray deeply to Krishna that due to circumstances i am stuck and taking this non prasadam.. but kindly if you feel so please provide me a situation where i can offer you neivadyam and take prasadam only..when taken with that mood the effect of raj as and tamas will be reduced and you will surely be provided a better oppurtunity conducive for your spirtual growth..there are so many possibilities..a well spiritual relative may shift to your city, some caterers or mess operators who cook as per vaideha standards may be available, or you may rent your own place outside hostel to have cooking facilities..not sure what is Krishna'plan ..need to wait and see. 
Prayers of velukkudi swami and other bhakthas in the forum will help to unfold the plan. 
Adiyen

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enpanifan 0 on June 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye namaha,

Namskaaram.
Swami by sheer coincidence which is perumaal ‘s arrangement i just watched this video from Velukkudi swami s youth program where one boy has asked the same question as you have asked about managing hostel food.

You can watch the whole video and the 20+ parts linked to it..but the specific question comes in 14th minute , 13.30 or so.
Krishna s reciprocation is very dynamic and magnanimous.
Adiyen

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Ramanuja- Parakalan dasan 0 on June 3, 2020

Namaskaram Swami

True need to wait and see and would certainly inform and update the same and moreover what Krishna’s plan got unfolded…

Thanks swami for the suggestions and the video anyway.

Adityen

enpanifan 0 on June 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

Namaskaaram Swami.

Until the situation unfolds, i would suggest to offer some water and a fruit every day to Perumaal and recite the ” Patrram pushpam Palam Toyam ..” 9.26 BG sloka, if the situation permits.depending on hostel environment and if fruits are available nearby.

This way you will get some prasadam every day.!

Dhanyosmi.

Adiyen.

Ramanuja- Parakalan dasan 0 on June 3, 2020

Thanks swami , also as u suggested above to carry that particular question by creating thread , but even after several attempts unfortunately it’s not even getting listed, I at once thought that the issue was only in not showing the preview but to my surprise even in the my profile section it showed no threads created .

கம்பன்தாசன் 0 on June 3, 2020

Thanks to the moderators! If they perceive some question has been already answered in this forum or in Swamy’s en pani, they filter out the question you post.

While i do appreciate the prudence in doing so, it makes me wonder why this criteria is not uniformly applied. Sometimes some of this things that are posted as ‘questions’ can hardly be consdered a question! Nevertheless the moderators let is pass through their filter! For example, consider one of the recent postings “டாஸ்மாக் போனயா கொரோனாட்ட மாட்டீண்டயா”. Is this really a question? The intent of this posting is not clear to me! It is a light hearted post and so some of us have responded in line with that spirit. One of the member’s guess is “May be, he is requesting Swami to propogate “no alcoholic drinks to society””. Even if this guess is true, I don’t think this is an appropraite way to request to our Swamy. So, it escapes all my reasoning how this (and a few other posts) get approved by the moderators while genuine questions as one expressed by you gets filtered out!

cest la vie!

Thanks to the moderators! If they perceive some question has been already answered in this forum or in Swamy's en pani, they filter out the question you post. 
While i do appreciate the prudence in doing so, it makes me wonder why this criteria is not uniformly applied. Sometimes some of this things that are posted as 'questions' can hardly be consdered a question! Nevertheless the moderators let is pass through their filter! For example, consider one of the recent postings "டாஸ்மாக் போனயா கொரோனாட்ட மாட்டீண்டயா". Is this really a question? The intent of this posting is not clear to me! It is a light hearted post and so some of us have responded in line with that spirit. One of the member's guess is "May be, he is requesting Swami to propogate “no alcoholic drinks to society”". Even if this guess is true, I don't think this is an appropraite way to request to our Swamy. So, it escapes all my reasoning how this (and a few other posts) get approved by the moderators while genuine questions as one expressed by you gets filtered out! 
cest la vie!

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enpanifan 0 on June 4, 2020

Srimate Ranananujaye namaha,
Namaskaaram.
Swamis i am not sure what exactly is happening, but there are few possibilities.
1. Some technical glitch in the software.(compatability from mobile, desktop, various browser platforms etc.)
2. If raamanujadasan swamy is a new user, he must made aware of the usual rule of posting a thread and approving it from our following page in a mobile phone to make it appear.
I mostly think it may not be a manual moderation issue,as if it is the case,they cannot do live moderation so it will appear atleast for first few minutes atleast before it is filtered.
Dhanyosmi

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enpanifan 0 on June 4, 2020

Unless the software has an auto capability to sense that the same topic has other existing threads

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Govindan Narayanan 1 0 on June 2, 2020

நன்றாக இருக்கிறது தங்கள் பரிட்சை தங்களுக்குள்! Sorry i couldn’t read full but some… hmmm testing within us how much we are parasurama and how much we are விதுரன்

enpanifan 0 on June 4, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye namaha

Namskaaram. Kambandasan swamy and Ramanujandasan swamy, perhaps the discussion above both of you had regarding karma yoga is discussed in enpani 1761.

Dhanyosmi.
Adiyen

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chiriyan ROD ravayadU (உஸ்தாத்) 0 0 on June 19, 2020

இளைய அண்ணே,
நீங்க சொன்ன, தாக்கி திரும்பும் குறுந்தடி “ஏறிவளைதடு தத்வம்” சும்மா பட்டய கிளப்புது, கலக்கலா இருக்கு அண்ணே. நீங்க சொன்ன மாதிரி நல்லதை மட்டும் வீசுவோம், நமக்கு திரும்ப நல்லது மட்டும் நடக்கும், நம்ம கண்ணன் கடவுள் அருள் கிடைக்கும் தானே.

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