ஆம் சுவாமி
Adiyen தற்குறி
தேவரீர் மெர்குரி
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தேவரீர் திருமேனி முழுவதும் அறிவு சுவாமி
Twinkle twinkle little star
Kambandasan Swamy is the superstar
“koodiyirundhu kuLiralaam”
Ippavey Kulirgiradhu Swamy

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ஞான சுடர் விளக்கு கம்பன்தாசன் சுவாமி
நந்தா ஒளி கம்பன்தாசன் சுவாமி
அறிவு நிதி கம்பன்தாசன் சுவாமி
சர்வ கலா வித்தகர் கம்பன்தாசன் சுவாமி
சர்வக்யன் கம்பன்தாசன் சுவாமி

வாழ்த்த வயதில்லை
ஆகையால் வணங்குகிறேன்

Dasanudasan

What is your real problem?From vikraminside

Vikram swamy,

I really don’t have ANY problem. All along I have been only trying to help you see your problem… where you are missing despite your good intentions. But your focus in each instance has been tangential.

sharing just a couple of recent examples:

(i) when one devotee is expressing his lack of clarity on the ‘aruvam’ concept of Perumal, you project as if he said ‘Ramanujacharya is wrong’, maintain your focus on that statement (which is not said by him) and build your whole argument around that.

(ii) When our Swamy very graciously prevented a member from leaving permanently by giving Thai Hastham as the timeline, instead of focusing on the glory of Kooraththaazhwaan’s or the glory of our Swamy, your focus is on yourself! (On many occassions you have this feeling: “if acharyas’ views can be taken, why not my view? I am also a devotee”. Such self-absorption if not good for us.)

(iii) even in the above post, I have mentioned about the issue of your self-absorption. But you project it as if I am offending the star, and base your whole discussion on that. Tangential!

On many occasions in the past I have tried to be as helpful as possible. But I am very much limited. 

But I have this confidence; at the core you are a very deep devotee. Therefore, even if some of your quirks are not received well by others, Perumal will definitely keep you close to His Lotus feet. The day is not very far off when you too will be able to break free from your limitations and interact appropriately with people around you.

my namaskarams.

adiyen dasan. 

Vikram swamy, my sincere apologies to you for making you feel hurt.

adiyen dasan.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Swamy,
That’s because he said “disgraceful” & “unwarranted”.
So I asked why he said like that?
Devareer unnecessarily intervened before I tried to make an understanding.

BrahmaNi SrinivAsE
Said by Udayavar so I thought why he said disgraceful?
Devareer conveniently missing a part Swamy!

Therila na therila nu kekkanum adha vitutu shAstra appadi cleara solli irukku nu sonnAr so adiyen thought why will Udayavar give a name Srinivasan to Aruvam?

Even in aruvam kaatiya uruvam audio Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy did not say the name of aruvam Brahmam.

Because there is no such thing as aruvam Brahmam.

Perumal’s primary form is Roopam only. Aruvam will not have name “Srinivasan” as thirunAmam by Udayavar.

If you want, let’s do a litmus test.

Let’s ask Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy to ask ThAyAr Perumal if his primary form is Aruvam or Uruvam just like Thirukacchi Nambigal Swamy asked Varadar.

Swamy wanted to make me “avajAnanthi maa mooda:” every time. So he made aruvam kaatiya uruvam audio.

Yaen aruvamai maariya uruvam nu solla koodathu?

Hanuman ring pathi sonnar. Hanuman small aagalaya? Too small to even be noticed!!!

Ahalya Devi became “out of sight” nu irukku.

People say she became stone. That is also “Aruvam”. So aruvam is “unrecognisable”. That’s actual meaning.

Disappearance will be there only if there is “appearance”

Something cannot come from nothing nu Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy solli irukkAr to counter Buddhist argument.

Aruvam kku eppadi SrinivAsan engira thirunAmam porundhum? Let’s see…

BedhamA abedhamA nu kettadhukku BedhamEy SiddhAntham nu arulinAr Varadar.

Aruvam is closer to Abedham 🙂
Let’s see what Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy get answer from ThAyAr and he will make one more EnPaNi on that.

Kambandasan Swamy adiyen don’t have any hard feelings towards you or SriVaishNava Dasan Swamy or anyone for that matter. Devareer always my friend, philosopher and guide. No need to ask sorry. I am just human so I outburst my feelings.

Adiyen could have stopped by first response as a sarcasm, since I know you i responded in 2nd post because my intention was not to point anyone but to let you know what I was going through.

PerumAl uruvamey, aruvam kidaiyAdhu
Kannukku theriyAdha uruvam

Na chakshu nu Velukkudi sAdhichAchu. Technically he has accepted me.

But KoorathAzhwAn Swamy, Sri Bhashyam stop panninA mAdhiri , adiyen Inga stop.senju kelvi kekkaren.

Perumal aruvamAi irukka mudiyAdhu by literal meaning. If Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy says like that even he is against Udayavar siddhAntham.

I raise my strong objection here.

Dasanudasan

Vikram swamy, namaskaram.

the points you have raised have been addressed either by our Swamy or by others in the forum. But one thing that is becoming more and more clear is, you can not listen and understand when others say something; you are busy hearing your own thoughts and responding to them and challenging them. So, you miss out even when others are explaining… even if it is our Swamy.

I have some special respect and concern for you. Therefore I used to respond to many of your posts earlier. Whenever you feel it is favorable to you, you rejoice; whenever you feel it is against you, you express tantrum. So, over time I had come to the point of not responding to your posts – I felt that is the best way of my respect and concern for you. But somehow out of my own foolishness I responded to the recent post on ‘aruvam’; I regret it.

On one hand you say the following:

Therila na therila nu kekkanum adha vitutu shAstra appadi cleara solli irukku nu sonnAr so adiyen thought why will Udayavar give a name Srinivasan to Aruvam?From vikraminside

In light of this, please read the way you frame your questions to our Swamy. You frame your questions as if your understanding of the sastram is already perfect but our Swamy has made a mistake and he does not remember what he has said earlier. Instead of thinking  “may be my understanding is not clear; let me frame my questions in a humble way and not in a challenging way”, you compare yourself to Kuuraththaazhwar – “he corrected his guru, so I can correct my guru”. Why so? is it because you are also born in Hastham nakshatram? In this forum there are 2134 members; approximately 2134  /27 = 79 members are the same nakshatram. Of which approximately 79 /12 = ~6 – 7 members will be Thai Hastham. Among them only one – ThiruVikram swamy assumes he is on the same plane as Kuuraththaazhwar! But he conveniently forgets that even when Kuuraththaaazhwar was blinded he did not say the person who blinded me committed vaishnava aparadh; instead he said “I have thought wrongly about someone’s  Thiruman-kaapu, and therefore my eyes have been removed. In striking contrast, our Vikram tells everyone “you have committed Vaishnava aparadh by speaking in a manner not pleasing to me”!

Even if I do things out of what I think as concern and respect for you, if you feel that is hurting you, I will have to face the  consequence of Vaishnava aparadh. There is not escape. So, the best recourse for me is to unconditionally apologise to you and maintain a respectful distance from you – not respond to you even in dreams.  When we meet in Vaikuntha we can koodi-irundhu kuliralaam. Until then, I am not qualified for such dangerous games.

I beg you, please forgive all my offences ever. It is all my mistake and my mistake only. Thank you.

adiyen dasan.

Vikram Swami,

I think you are repeatedly making the same mistake of assuming “I can never be wrong”.

That’s because he said “disgraceful” & “unwarranted”.From vikraminside

Yes, it is disgraceful in a forum meant for spiritual inquiry to tell someone, “then read the scriptures yourself and come to a conclusion. Why ask such a question”.

In retrospect, doesn’t that look like a ‘thug’ statement to you?

In my opinion, Jayaram swami stuck to his query that “scriptures say brahmam is also formless” for which you should have also focused only on why you beg to differ. I know you tried to do it but the first sentence was unnecessary.

It does not matter about the age of that person. Even if you say so to an inquisitive kid, it is completely wrong.

“அது எடுத்தெறிந்து பேசுவதாகவே கருதப்படும்!”

Please don’t ask for repeated apologies from anyone unless you are fully convinced about it, otherwise, it becomes a mere ritual when your ‘ego’ does not agree to it at all.

When you truly think you should have avoided using those words, then your apologies carry value.

I don’t know if you will take my words in the wrong sense but I am prepared for that.

– Adiyen

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srivats Swamy

Adiyen quoted, Swamy Ramanuja said:
“BrahmaNi SrinivAsE”.

Devareer again quoting it wrongly, adiyen asked
“Why even try asking what is the name of nothing?

Does not mean why ask questions in Dharma Sandeha.

It means “why ask name of attributesless Brahmam”?. SriVaishnava Dasan Swamy understood it wrongly.

It was a up to the point remark not individual criticism.

He quoted, Shastram clearly says Perumal is formless. Does it mean Ramanuja quoting “BrahmaNi SrinivAsE” is wrong? is all I asked.

The moment he said “disgraceful” I took offence.

Devareer reading half, understanding half, concluding half.

One thing i notice in this forum except me all others are “Blesmishless” Kurai Ondrum illAdha Govinda Mayam

Point here is Is Brahmam blemishes because of SaGuNam or blemishes because he is attributeless.

Even if Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy says Brahmam is aroopam , I will question him. Why not?

This is SiddhAntha niroopaNam. I will not leave it.

Adiyen quoted so many pramANams adiyen know. Let Swamy quote one pramANam where Brahmam is fully attributeless that includes name & figure, I will take back my words.

“Uruvam illadhavar kaatiya uruvam” – title is wrong. I register my strong objection.

Yara irundha enna kelvi kelvi dhana?

Enna mattam thadrathukku forum nadatharel endrAl nadathungo I don’t care.

Dasanudasan

*Blesmishless spelling correction

*Blemishless spelling correction

Srimathe Paduka Sevaka Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

NAma Roopa Bedham.unda to Brahmam?

Let Shastram say “Aroopam” fine.

What is “Ramanuja Dharshanam” to it matters.

How Ramanuja viewed it matters. Figure IllAdha Govinda unna pottu thalikkarALey indha formula, pavam da nee.

Dasanudasan

Srivats Swamy

It is “disgraceful” to misquote someone

Dasanudasan