How many Aatmaa in a human body

Updated on February 21, 2021 in General
10 on January 29, 2021

Adiyen Dasan Velukkudi Swami and Periyavalidamun Adiyarkalidamun Padam Tottu namaskarittu seiyum vinnappam…..

Adiyen recollect Swami mentioning about several Aatma residing in one human but only 1 Aatma amongst several thousand residing Aatmaa to be awaken/dominant…..recent researches on quantum physics has clearly outlined human body as a colony of 50 trillion cells with each having an intelligent mind…so once again our Parambariya knowledge is superceding..
Adiyen humbly Request Swami to provide discourse on Several Atma in Human Body and how it is One Atma that is Conscious/exhibiting Consciousness…

 
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2 on January 30, 2021

Namskaram.

This point was covered by Velukkudi Krishnan swamy in couple of talks. I do not remember the audio number.

Also, here listen to initial couple of minutes. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NafiJTILbpk&list=PLhrdHlkOIj-VkgusrJIu8BGAMLfX7uGeN&index=10 

Can you brief on the following, if you have details or any ref links

each having an intelligent mindFrom P. Vivek

adiyen

on January 31, 2021

Swami, while adiyen also remembers this very much, not able to recollect the audio. However enpani 1700 gives some related info. 

on January 31, 2021

Adiyen Dasan, thank you to Shri. pd_jayaram and Shri. for their valuable inputs.

@pd_jayaram – please look for videos from Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. B M Hegde on human consciousness and human cells…Couple of snippets are hereby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-vkYQz12Q

Since we could not get complete view on this, hence adien’s humble request to Swami to kindly provide a discourse on this topic!

 

 

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The biological system of any living being is quite interesting. The different systems of human is quite complex. The immune system can be considered as a classic example of an intelligent system.

Pondering over the massive universe, living beings etc., gives more thought and belief on the creator.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubyo Namaha,

Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Namaskaran Bhakta’s,

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and AmmangaAr Abhimaanam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasrivadham, Adiyen will share some insights combining Google Acharyan and Gyanacharyan Velukudi Swami’s upanyasams regarding the Human Body and it compositions (Tissues/Cells).

First of all the Human Body is not created by any ordinary Human Scientists or Analysts. Its created by the the ONE and ONLY Superior FIRST & EVERGREEN Scientist SUPREME LORD SriKrishna BhagavAn (Almighty GOD). So we have the follow the manual of the Creator for this body to understand the science of Human Body. So the accidental statement as in the above thread “……….so once again our Parambariya knowledge is superceding……” should be rectified from my mind.

As an analogy, consider a “Car (Human Body) Manufacturer (Creator)” when releases the Car, they also provide the “Manual” about the car about its parts locations, function, maintenance period etc….which is the “Shastras/Pramaanam (Authentic Source Book)”. At the same time, the Car Manufacturuer (Creator) authorizes a “Genuine Dealership“ for Service if any issues to the Car which are Rishis, since they are well trained DIRECTLY by the Creator of Human Body and properly licensed to do any service to the Car (Human Body). Those Rishis (Genuine dealership) are the Ayurvedic/Siddha institution etc…..However one can also take the Car (Human Body) to a “Third Party Service center” who are not Trained directly by the Car Manufacturer (like the present modern medical institutions). They can also do service to the Car (Human Body) who has actually acquired some knowledge about the car (Human Body) by doing “Trial and Error Methods”. These Third Party Dealers are the modern scientists and Analysts as mentioned in the above Youtube link. They are learners only and don’t have the full knowledge of the Car (Human Body) as the Rishis (Genuine Dealers). But some Third Party Dealer workers also acquire some knowledge from a Genuine Dealers workmanship due to their relationship with them or reading their works. Hence the third party dealer (modern scientists/analysts) speeches like “each cell is an intelligent mind, each cell has energy, we transport energy etc…” is a premature state of mind with some reality but not close enough as that of a Genuine Dealer (Rishi) which is what is seen in the above YouTube link as posted.

Being that said, lets get into the Actuality of the Human Body in the View of a Genuine Dealer (Rishi), which will provide full details:

So, inorder to understand he science of Human Body, we have to Refer the Genuine Dealers works like:

  • Charaka Samhita (written by Rishi Charaka),

  • Sushrut Samhita (written by Rishi Sushrut),

  • Agni Purana (Agni devata recited to Vashishta and inturn He recited to Vyasa)

According to Rishi Charaka, Agni (Fire) is said to be the base (mool) of life.

Agni converts food in the form of energy, which is responsible for all the vital functions of our body. Therefore, Ayurveda considers that Dehagni is the cause of life, complexion, strength, health, nourishment, lusture, oja, teja (energy) and prana (life energy).

About the importance of Agni, Acharya Charaka has mentioned that after stoppage of the function of Agni, the individual dies, and when the Agni of an individual is sama, then that person would be absolutely healthy and would lead a long, happy, healthy life. But, if the Agni of a person is vitiated, the whole metabolism in his body would be disturbed, resulting in ill health and disease.

Agni has been divided into 13 types, i.e.

  • one JatharAgni,

  • five BhutAgni and

  • seven DhatvAgni.

-The one Jatharagni is the most important one, which digests four types of food and transforms it into Rasa (Nutritive fluid or Food Essence) and Mala (Excretion).

-The five Bhutagnis act on the respective bhutika portion of the food and thereby nourish the Bhutas in the body.

-The seven Dhatvagni act on the respective dhatus by which each Dhatu is broken into three parts. In this way, the entire process of transformation consists of two types of products – PRasad (essence) and Kitta (excrete). The former is taken for nourishment while the latter one is thrown out, which otherwise defiles the body if it stays longer.

The above word Dhatu is the modern name “Tissue”.

According to Rishi Charaka, the constituent parts of the body, if further divided into the atoms, are sure to become innumerable, as such atoms are exceedingly numerous, very minute and ultrasensory. These tiny atoms are called as “Paramanu” which is the “Cell” in modern terms.

 

Dhatus means tissues of the body

शरीर धारणात्धातवः।

Shareera dhaaranaat dhaatavaha

Those which wear the body or hold the body are called Dhatus. The word dharana means to wear. This term indicates the responsibility put on the shoulders of the dhatus in holding and guarding the wellness of the body. ‘They wear the body’ should be understood that they form, frame and construct the body.

The Dhatus form the frame and structure of the body. By this denition, we should not have any hesitation in calling the dhatus as the tissues of the body.

The word “Dhatu” comes from a Sanskrit word which means “that which enters into the formation of the body”; the root word “Dha” means “support” i.e. that which bears.

Each dhatu consists of countless infinitesimal paramanus (cells) which are units of structure and function. Each paramanu (cell) contains innumerable suksma srotas (channels, pores) through which it receives nutrients and subtle energies and eliminates waste materials. Because dhatus are saturated with pores, the human body can also be said to be filled with pores (srotomaya). The srotas of each dhatu are unique in their structure and function and in the materials which move through them.

So Human body cells are Countless and not limited to 50 trillion. It is just a limitation to the modern scientists study done. Since, if we say 50 trillion cells, then we should specify what type of Human body, like full limbs, size of human body etc.. since some person has 6 fingers on one hand, so does they have 50 trillion plus additional 1 trillion cells on the additional finger. What happens if one doesn’t have a leg. In that case, do they have 50 trillion minus 20 trillion cells. So these are uncertain answers. So, we should go by Pramaanam (Authentic texts of Rishis) that says Cells are Countless in Human body.

The primary Dhatus are seven in number. They are:

‘1) Rasa dhatu (Nutrient fluid)

‘2) Rakta dhatu (Blood tissue)

‘3) Maamsa dhatu (Muscle tissue)

‘4) Medhas dhatu (Adipose tissue)

‘5) Asthi dhatu (Bony tissue)

‘6) Majja dhatu (Bone marrow and nervous tissue)

‘7) Sukra dhatu (Reproductive tissues including sperm and ovum)

 

The most unique feature of Ayurvedic histology (concept of tissue formation) is that each human tissue is formed from the previous tissue in ascending order of complexity as follows:

Each tissue type has its own Agni (Fire), which determines metabolic changes in the tissues. Thus when food is ingested, it is digested until, in the small intestines, it becomes a liquid, chyme-like material known in Ayurveda as ‘ahara rasa’, or food essence or nutritive fluid.

With the help of ‘ahara rasagni’ (each dhatu has its own specific metabolic fire) this ahara rasa is converted into Rasa dhatu (nutrient fluid or blood plasma) – the first and most simple tissue.

Now, Rasa dhatu catalyzed by Rasagni is transformed into Rakta dhatu (formed blood cells), the second fundamental bodily tissue. Rakta dhatu in turn, with the help of raktagni, becomes Maamsa dhatu (muscle tissue cells); and so on formation of Majja dhatu, Asthi dhatu and Shukra dhatu takes place.

Together, the dhatus and upa-dhatus (accessory tissue) make up the physical bulk of the body. The upa-dhatus include skin, tendons, ligaments, etc.; they are important structurally but usually are not implicated in disease conditions of the body.

Dhatus have inherent tendency to get vitiated or diseased hence they are called dushya. In contrast to doshas, the dushya have no tendency to vitiate other factor of body. They are only a passive component of disease where as the doshas are active counterparts in disease.

The state of health of each dhatu as well as its relative vriddhi/kshaya (excess/deficiency; increase/decrease) is assessed by the physician.

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Now each ParamaAnu (cell) has each Unique ‘Athma’ to function, but each Athma in each cell though intelligent by itself doesn’t work by itself. It gets the Direction/Energy from the Primary Athma residing in the Hrudhaya Kamalam (Heart) of the Human Body. Means the “Dharma Bhootha Gyanam” of the Primary Athma is spread through out its Human Body and each Athma in each cell gets its energy to function, but it doesn’t act by its own.

 

A simple Analogy to explain visually from Enthiran movie climax scene (This is just to portray the analogy and not an attempt to recommend anyone to see the movie,….please don’t mistake Adiyen)

Cluster of Many Small Robos in an organised way together form ONE Big Robo. These small many Robos are like the small many cells which forms the One Big Robo “The Human Body”, but each small Robo doesn’t have the power by itself to act, since these each robos gets the Order (direction) from the Primary Robo (Primary Athma) which is the “Chitti Robo” sitting in the center of the Big Formed Robo. So depending up on the size of the Big Robo, the small Robos counts can vary. Same way, cells are countless in a Human body and not limited to a particular number in each Human body.

Analogy:

CLUSTER OF SMALL MANY ROBOS  ORGANISED TOGETHER

 

ONE BIG ROBO IS FORMED

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq39fpCAgIQ

 

The Primary Athma is in the Heart of the Human either to relinquish its Karma (Paapa&Punya) or do Sharangathy to get out the Punya-Paapa / Birth-Death Karma Cycle using This Human Body as a Tool as Shashras says:

Paropakarartham Idham Shareeram”

[This Human Body is given by Almighty God to do Service to HIM and HIS Devotees]

 

சுவர் இருந்தால் தான், சித்திரம் வரைய முடியும்.

If there is a Wall (Human body), then only a Painting (Service) can be drawn (done to BhagavAn).”

So Human Body (with many countless cells) is Important to support the Primary Athma residing in the Heart of the Human Body to do Bhakthi on SriKrishna’s Lotus Feet and Surrender ONLY ON TO HIM on same Birth and reach Moksham for Nithya Kainkaryam, which is the primary purpose of this Human Body which will not be available or known by the modern analysts, since they are in the initial stepping stone stages. So counting the number of cells or trying to know deeply about the number of cells in the Human body doesn’t help for Athma Ujjivanam, since the Human Body is set to expire at a particular time, But Athma is ETERNAL (Never Ending and PURE and SERVANT of Almighty GOD), at the same time, knowing about Human Body mechanism does help to understand the FIRST SCIENTIST LORD SRIKRISHNA BhgavaAn’s Creation of Human Body.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan,

Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

AcharyAr-AmmangaAr Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sholinghur AmrithavAlli ThayAr Samedha Bhaktochithan Perumal Ki Jai.

on February 1, 2021

ElayaAlwar swamy,

Namaskaram.

Excellent detail and information.

each ParamaAnu (cell) has each Unique ‘Athma’From ElayaAlwar

You have mentioned that you have taken details from some reference. Still, I am unable take this point. It implies that every cell of any being, including plants etc., will be an athma.

adiyen

on February 1, 2021

Correction.

Read “every cell of any being, including plants etc., will be an athma.”

As “every cell of any being, including plants etc., will have an athma.”

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Jayaram Swami,

 

Regarding devareer’s query “…………..You have mentioned that you have taken details from some reference………..”,

 

Most of the People who speak or write don’t do it, they speak or write as their thoughts without reflecting Gratitude to the source from where the information is pulled, but Yes, adiyen already informed in the above thread Initially about the references based on Honesty, 

‘1) 

“.………….Adiyen will share some insights combining Google Acharyan and Gyanacharyan Velukudi Swami’s upanyasams regarding the Human Body and it compositions (Tissues/Cells)…………..

 

‘2) from Google search as 

“……….

  • Charaka Samhita (written by Rishi Charaka),

  • Sushrut Samhita (written by Rishi Sushrut),

  • Agni Purana (Agni devata recited to Vashishta and inturn He recited to Vyasa)

………………….”

‘3) from Velukkudi Swami’s Upanyasamas/ENpani as:

“………………….

The Primary Athma is in the Heart of the Human either to relinquish its Karma (Paapa&Punya) or do Sharangathy to get out the Punya-Paapa / Birth-Death Karma Cycle using This Human Body as a Tool as Shashras says:

Paropakarartham Idham Shareeram”

[This Human Body is given by Almighty God to do Service to HIM and HIS Devotees]

………………..”

That’s why Adiyen is always keen is using right words like “SHARE”, which clearly implies that the information’s that Adiyen acquire are either from listening or reading from sources like Swami’s Upanyasams or online books, but the above sequence will not be seen in one single page in internet, since it is Adiyen’s compiling with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam.

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Yes Swami, based on the Human Body concept, it leads to say that each Plant cells should also have Athma which gets its Direction/Order from the Dharma Bhootha Gyanam of the Primary Athma in the Plant which is their to to relinquish its karma.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

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ElayaAlwar swamy,

Namaskaram.

I understood from your first posting of this tread itself that you indeed have some ref. It can be seen from my post that I did not dispute this. If there is any misunderstanding, let me rephrase what I meant clearly.

         ## I am unable to accept the point that “”each ParamaAnu (cell) has each Unique    ‘Athma’””. You have mentioned that you have taken details from some reference and request for the ref. ##

I have been observing your long posts, sensed that you must have ref and must have copy and pasted. It will be difficult to type many such long replies, which is time consuming.  Occasionally, I also asked to share the ref for me only to go through and get first hand information where I want to have more clarity instead of querying you and further burden.

I heard couple of replies on atman in human body by Sri. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy. He has mentioned that there is only one primary atman and innumerable other atman get attached to the body. It also includes atman takes bacterial form. He mentioned when one consumes food which contain bacteria, having an atman, comes out after digestion. My understanding from that is he pointed out microbes / bacterias having atman and enters / stays / leaves the body. I have not heard him saying each cell has unique atman in the very few discourses / talks / replies I have heard. I have no further details in this regard. From the limited information I have, I am unable to accept that “”each ParamaAnu (cell) has each Unique ‘Athma’””. Thank you for providing the references sought. Since links are not provided, I will not be able go through them immediately. I am not knowledgeable in such texts. I need to spend time. I will search leisurely. Hence, I comment here that the information and the references are NOTED.

Some of the thoughts running in my mind ::

If at all, I can understand some of the cells can have some atman. How each cell can have each unique atman. It means there is no cell without atman. We know that millions of cells die and new cells are formed almost everyday. Then what happens to the atman in old cells. Will new atman occupy new cell or old cell.

adiyen

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0 on February 21, 2021

Namaskaram and many thanks to all bhagavadhals for providing such deep insights. Again, my sincere request to our beloved Shri. Velukkudi Swami to kindly provide more insight on this ! Sincere thanks!

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