Namaskaram,
By the grace of Bhaghawan and acharyans, Adiyen is trying to understand essentials needed to develop satva gunam. At times association with people who have very dominating rajas/tamas in them is inevitable due to our nityakarmas.(they cld even be our family members) While there is no option, inorder to not hurt them, how do we distance from them to not get influenced? If we distance will that earn paapams. Sometimes every conversation with them disturbs our mind and even though adiyen realises that whatever they are speaking is very bad and will not impress bhaghawan, adiyen cannot openly tell them due to their age/experience. So how can adiyen handle this without making any apacharam ?
Seeking guidance, kshama praarthikkiren for ignorance.
Dasan adiyen 🙏🙏
How to ignore plp with rajas/tamas
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Namaskaram amma.
Your predicament is quite understandable. If our daily responsibilities do not require us to interact with such people, then it is easy to avoid them or just have a cordial relationship at a distance. But if our daily responsibilities require us to interact with them, it is challenging. We can not change them. There are a few changes we can bring to ourselves that will help us pass through such phases without getting our own mind disturbed.
Firstly, we can fill our life with satvic inputs so that the rajo-tamo (RT) inputs get diluted away. For example, you can continuously play your acharyan’s or Velukkudi swamy’s upanyasams at the background throughout the day. Hearing sat-vishayam more and more helps us become unaffected by the bothering circumstances of this impermanant world. It is easier to maintain a “this too shall pass” attitude. And hopefully, since the upanyasam is playing loud, those around us who are predominantly in RT will also get gradually moved towards satvam. But, if they do not let you play the upanyasam aloud, then hear with a head-phone.
Secondly, we can change our perspective slightly. Instead of seeing them as someone who is predominantly in RT and spoiling our mind, we can see them as patients suffering from RT and we are the nurse assigned by Perumal to attend to some of their needs. A nurse does not get affected by the tantrums of the patient; instead goes through his/her responsibilities simply as a matter of duty. A nurse can also pray for the patient and it is likely to bring about the desired change in others.
This is all that I could think of; hope by acharyan anugraham you are able to handle the circumstances well and sustain yourself in satvam.
adiyen dasan.
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Hamsa-amma! you have such a beautiful name! Your name suggests it must be easy for you to extract satvam from a mix of satvam-rajas-tamo gunams! 🙂
Dhanyosmi for such a wonderful reply. Adiyen shall try and incorporate all the suggestions by bhagawan’s grace. Nurse example looked very apt.
Humble pranaams. 🙏🙏
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Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,
Very nice analogy Kambanadasan swamy.
Another 2 perspectives can also be used. Just sharing what i have heard and what came to me.
- We were also some time ago filled with Rajas and Tamas, how did devotees handle us then.. this reflection will help in such situation.
- Secondly even now, compared to exalted devotees , we are in rajas and tamas , so we can be grateful for accommodating us. Then we will be generous to extend the same to others in other situation.
Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan
If we have to avoid people with RT, then we have to avoid ourselves! We are also not Suddha Satveekam, we do have RT. May be the levels vary, but that’s it.
This world has everything, good and bad. What we get attracted to is our problem, not others. If we feel we are getting attracted to RT of others, then it would also mean our Sathveekam levels are low that it is not able to stop RT entering us from things/people around us.
We need to increase our immunity levels so that it will automatically fight diseases. The immunity to defeat RT that exists around us is to increase our Sathveekam levels.
While avoiding people with RT thoughts is a way, the other way is to become more Sathveekam so that RT doesn’t even bother us even though it may exists around us. An example is our negative thoughts that props within us even when no one is around.
While avoiding people with RT thoughts is a way, the other way is to become more Sathveekam so that RT doesn’t even bother us even though it may exists around us
Concise summary of the above discussion, ntgk swamy! very nice!
Hence, adiyen feel immunity comes by exposing and not by avoiding,
Jayaram swamy, I am not clear on what you mean by this. Kindly explain in light of the following:
2. asato mā sadgamaya,
tamaso mā jyotirgamaya,
mṛtyormā’mṛtaṃ gamaya.
- From evil lead me to good,
- From darkness lead me to light,
- From death lead me to immortality.
3. Bhagavad Gita 3.41, in the context of discussion in 3.37 to 3.43.
Thank you very much.
adiyen dasan.
Kambandasan swamy,
adiyen is of the view, may not conform to scriptures, that totally avoiding people around us in view of rajo and tamo gunas may provide only an artificial / temporary shield. In the present day situation, it will be difficult for one to completely avoid. Instead of totally avoiding, one can develop a quality disassociated association by not avoiding them, keeping alert and maintaining the qualities of satva guna, even in the presence of people with RT gunas. True, it is difficult. But, this can make one to maintain his satva guna even in the presence of others. adiyen feel this shield can last longer.
adiyen know that you will not support this.
adiyen
Jayaram swamy, namaskaram.
What you say is 100% agreeable swamy! People with whom our daily responsibilities does not require us to interact, we can avoid or just maintain a cordiality from a distance. But people with whom we are obliged to interact because of our daily responsibilties and duties (at home or work place or other places) we should interact with ‘dissociated association’ தாமரை இலை மேல் தண்ணீர் போல. தாமரை இலை has a layer of waxy coating that prevents the water from associating with the leaf even while sitting on it. Likewise, in our daily circumstances when we are obliged to interact with people in RT, we can see them with a perspective a nurse towards a patient affected by RT. This perspective is the waxy coating that protects us from being influenced by their RT. We can exercise due discrimination and sustain whatever level of satvam we have.
adiyen dasan.
Nandri swamy.
Adiyen would like to add an observation. For a mumukshu, interaction with number of relatives, friends, colleagues etc., comes down naturally in due course of time due to some reason or other. Probably, this is an additional shield / safeguard provided by Him.
adiyen
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There is no doubt that one has to improve satvik quality. We have to live in this world with three gunas, till departing. Hence, adiyen feel immunity comes by exposing and not by avoiding, though it is difficult. But once it is achieved, one can lead the life without disturbance.
adiyen
Srivaishnava dasan
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Namo Narayanaya
Walk out! That’s the best way to avoid such people. Critizing them might have reactions but if you walk out without making discomfort, it will be sane.
Or say out that you are busy and don’t want to get along with them, politely.
Ultimately you have to depend on Mata Mahalakshmi Devi because she is origin of all Gunas and she is who controls it.
Even greatest rishis and Munis have fallen trap by challenging Mata Mahamaya Devi!
Jai Shrirama
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