Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Dear Baktha or ALL Baktha’s,

Below statements are not addressed to any specific Baktha, rather to focus on the incidents. So every statement that appears as Apacharam applies to adiyen very well.

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Thanks for sharing the basic information’s.

Does Baktha need any clarification or need to confirm the authenticity of the information “Humility” posted in the link that the Baktha just send.

Please ‘be specific’ about the question that needs to be asked to Sri Velukkudi Swami. It is confusing for other Bakthas in this forum, since we started forgetting the name of this forum as “Dharma Sandeha”. Some Baktha is just posting his findings and asking “Clue” in another thread “Brahmam, Jiva and Jadam” and leaning or ended up in Vaadha Sadhas when we are ‘NOT LEARNED SCHOLARS’. Also some other topics posted like “Forgiveness” & En Pani # 747″ in same manner.

How does these posted topics relate to the “Dharma Sandeha” forum. Please be ‘Specific’ to the question that needs to be asked to Swami.

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Getting in to the specifics of the other posted topic “Brahmam , Jiva & Jadam”.

Swami’s Enpani #600 “Study Opinion & Debate” is very clear. We CANNOT ASSUME “Swami would have meant this or Swami would have meant that, or, this is what Swami’s intention is….” unless Swami states it clearly in the En Pani.

Swami’s focus is “Athma Samatvam” Enpani #19 (we need to see everyone as Jeevathmas and not to focus on the differences in appearance or sampradhayams, etc….). Swami has said, BhagavAn in Sri Vaikuntam says, “intha SriVaikuntathula irukkira ovvoru Jeevathamvum Kainkaryam pannuum podhu, Yean intha ‘BhadhAthmakal mattum Samsarathula vizhundhu Agyanathila kidakkirran. Yeppa Intha Jeevathma’kal yellam Sri Vaikuntam varuvaargal”.

Swami has said in another discourse, as “Srivaikuntam (Moksham) Kilambanuma, illai Vicharam Pannanuma“. Vicharam Pannanumna, pannidaey irukkalaam, BhagavAn nalla namakku Adutha-Adutha Piravi Kuduthukittaey iruppar. Appuram Ithay pain/pleaseure’odaey kaalathai kazhikka vaendiyadhiu dhaan”. Do we need to go through these process again. It is upto their own personal intution to decide, since BhagavAn has given little Gyanam (knowledge) and little Swanthantriyam (independence) to decide what we wanted to chose “SriVaikuntam poganuma Illai Samsarathula Innam konjam Kaalam irukkanuma”.

We ALL (including EACH member in Enpani or Dharma Sandeha or Volunteers or other Silent members) are here to get Answers/Anugraham from Sri Velukkudi Swami who is a ‘Learned Scholar’.

Swami has made this forum, so if we have any “Sandeha on Dharmam”, then we can ask to Swami and get clarified and start “FOLLOWING” as much as possible with BhagavAn/Acharya blessings and Swami’s Anugraham and GET-OUT of this BIRTH-DEATH cycle and enjoy the Permanent Bliss in SriVaikuntam (No pain, only Pleasure by doing Kainkaryam to BhagavAn-Thayar/Acharyan/Bakthas).

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As far as who is a ‘Learned Scholar’. Here is the definition.

1) A “Learned Scholar” are those who undergoes DEDICATED Spiritual studies for few years with Acharyan/Gyana Aasiriyar (Sathivaka-Guru).

2) Then, the “Learned Scholar” when sits in the “seat” for Preaching, that “seat” is called as “Vyasa Peedam” or “Gyana Peedam”. While sitting in the Gyana Peedam, the “Learned Scholar” receives all the blessings from BhagavAn via Acharyan lotus feet due to “Gratitude to GuruParampai” and the learned scholar starts the discourse like a Waterfall of Divine Knowledge (Madai Thirantha Vellam).

3) Thus the Grattitude towards GuruParamparai is called as GURU-BAKTHI and one becomes a learned scholar. Such a learned scholar, sits in the Vidhvan Sadhas and answers all Shastric questions in a peacuful manner without getting in to emotions and finally gets the Title as “Vidhvan”.

4) Once they are titled as “Vidhvan”, then they attend “Vaadha Sadas” for healthy debate after knowing Poorva Paksham (what the opponents philosophes are).

[We cannot apply the exceptions like Swami Ramanujar in these situations since Swami Ramanujar is not A BhadhAThma, HE is Aadhi Sheshan avataram with Perumals Pancha Aayudham sent By Perumal to uplift JeevAthmas like us, so HE had FULL SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE by BIRTH. So Swami Ramanujar (“ElayaAlwar”) in his childhood faced all the Veda Kudhristigal (Who interprets the meaning of Vedas incorrectly) at his young age].

5) Also once they get the Title, they keep learning continously and help all BhadhAthmas (all JeevAthmas stuck up in this Samsaram for countless janmas, so we could get out of this Birth-Death cycle with Acharya/BahagavAn blessings).

           That’s why Sri Velukkudi Swami is the “Sathvik-Guru”.

           This applies 100% to our Sri U.Ve Velukkudi Swami as we all know very well.

          ‘U’ in the title means ‘Ubahaya Vedanthi’. What is Ubhaya Vedanthi?.

           Ubhaya means both (two). So which two?

          One is Knowledge about Vedas/Shastras written in Sanskrit.
        Another is Knowledge about “Diyva Prabahndahams (which tells about BhagavAn SriKrishna Kalaya Gunas)” written in Tamil. This is called as Tamil Vedam.

       “Ve” means Vedanthi (Spiritual Master),

So “U.Ve” means a ‘Learned Scholar’ who knows both Sanskrit Vedas & Tamil Vedas.

Does the word “Learned Scholar” fit for adiyen. Ofcourse not, since adiyen is “FULL TIME AGYANI (IGNORANT) and doesn’t meet any of the above criteria’s. Same way, every Baktha can validate themselves if they are a learned Scholar or not, by confirming at the above criteria’s. All we need is Blessings, Blessings, Blessings………

Without satisfying ALL these criteria’s TOGETHER, our Spiritual knowledge is Questionable?. So it is better to refrain ourselves from propagating our own readings/knowledge unless it can be referenced to EXACTS of GURU-PARAMPARAI Teachings as Swami’s Pravachanams. All we need is Blessings and keep getting enlightened.

So, next question is, can’t we share the Spiritual knowledge that we learned. Yes, we can share spiritual knowledge with references to Swami’s Pravachanams, since Sri Velukkuid Swami is a ‘Learned Scholar’ who has acquired the Spritual knowledge through HIS Acharyan/Gyana Aasiriyar via PoorvAcharyars via Swami Ramanujar via Swami NamAlwar with Rukmini Thayar-GeethaAcharyan Anugraham..

So WHY, we need to share only Swami Pravachanams in this forum,

Because, If we have any questions/doubhts or need more clarity on specific topics, then we can ask to Swami through HIS Dharma Sandeha post gently/politely, so Swami can answer depending on which category the question falls based on the 5 categories that Swami has explained in Enpani #552, “Clarification from my side”.

If Swami has missed some questions, but we could find the answers from Swami’s discourses/Enpani audios, then please SHARE, since if any doubts are raised, then Swami can clarify since we are referring same Swami’s discourses.

But if we start posting other Guru’s postings/threads, then any questions/authenicty has to be answered by the Baktha who posted it. It will bring in unncessary debates and a havoc for the Baktha itself, unless we are a Learned Scholar to face it.

I will explain how this post “Humility” can start a debate and mislead many people.

Because, each Baktha’s have different level of karmas (Paapam/Azhukku) with which, we can start interpreting our own thinking in such a fashion that a good intention can also end up in unnecessary debates. Why, because, we are not ‘Learned Scholar. We are here to learn and learn and learn and learn………… from Swami’s pravachanams.

Like, in this thread the posted topic is “Humility”. What are we suppose to infer. Is this a message to someone based on our own thought process, or Is the Baktha recommending to read the other web postings, or Is the Baktha trying to tell that other Gurus say the same thing as Swami, or other Gurus postings are questionable, so Swami to clarify, or Baktha is trying to tell the how much Humility the Guru on the posted link has, or what is the purpose?. Same Guru also states in different as “Muttalgal” about Jeevathmas. So some Baktha based on karmas can start picking these and ask  “what is the purpose of Guru saying “Humility” and “Muttalgal” in two different areas. So What is the real meaning.

Once the debate kicks off due to our mistakes, then Sri Krishna leaves from our heart and HE will wait (may take many of our Janmas) till we come back with Sneham for Anubhavam.

Is this something that Swami needs to resolve in-addition to HIS pravachanams. We know the answer is NO, because we posted it based on our interests. So, we don’t want to be a cause of the debates (Vicharam). Instead, we can focuss on Anubhavam. We can be responsbile and wise enough to understand the purpose of this forum titled “Dharma Sandeha”. The title itself is self explanatory (Ask question to Swami & get answer from Swami & move on with blessings).

So, lets restrict ourselves with Swami Pravachanam postings in this Forum, so if there is any clarification needed, then Swami himself will be able to explain, since this is HIS website to help the BaddhAtmas like us. Other Gurus posts can stay safe wherever it is, so that their followers can be peaceful.

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We know how each website or a company firm works. They have their own “Terms and Condtions” and HR policies. We are very well aware of it. So, we refrain from doing anything against it, since we know, we will be kicked off from the job.

So we work in a firm due to “BHAYAM” not due to PREETHI (Premam).

But here, the Kinchit website is not a company/firm. It is a website formed by Swami to help all BaddhAthmas (JeevAtmas stuck up in Samsaram) by providing Spiritual knowledge and get Acharya blessings, so we don’t take another Janma. So that we can achieve the “purpose of life” (Piraviyin Payan Piravamai, means reach SriVaikuntam in this Birth, so we don’t take a re-birth). So Swami’s expectation would be, all Bakthas to be responsible in handling in the forum using our wisdom and we will adhere to our Sanatana Dharmam basic rules “Thani Manitha Ozukkam, Panbhu, Panivu, Thanadakkam”.

So, we are here due to “PREETHI (Premam)”.

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Again (Restating the above statements one more time),

<> If Swami has missed some questions, but we could find the answers from Swami’s discourses/Enpani audios, then please SHARE, since if any doubts are raised, then Swami can clarify since we are referring same Swami’s discourses.

<> So, lets restrict ourselves with Swami Pravachanam postings in this FORUM, so if there is any clarification needed, then Swami himself will be able to explain, since this is HIS website to help the BaddhAtmas like us. Other Gurus posts can stay safe wherever it is, so that their followers can be peaceful.

<> Swami’s focus is “Athma Samatvam” Enpani #19 (we need to see everyone as Jeevathmas and not to focus on the the differences in appearance or sampradhayams, etc….). Swami has said, BhagavAn in Sri Vailuntam says, “intha SriVaikuntathula irukkira ovvoru Jeevathamvum Kainkaryam pannuum podhu, Yean intha ‘BhadhAthmakal mattum Samsarathula vizhundhu Agyanathila kidakkirran. Yeppa Intha Jeevathma’kal yellam Sri Vaikuntam varuvaargal”.

<> Swami has said in another discourse, as “Srivaikuntam (Moksham) Kilambanuma, illai Vicharam Pannanuma“. Vicharam Pannanumna, pannidaey irukkalaam, BhagavAn nalla namakku Adutha-Adutha Piravi Kuduthukittaey iruppar. Appuram Ithay pain/pleaseure’odaey kaalathai kazhikka vaendiyadhiu dhaan”. Do we need to go through these process again. It is upto their own personal intution to decide, since BhagavAn has given little Gyanam (knowledge) and little Swanthantriyam (independence) to decide what we wnated to chose.

<> We ALL (including EACH member in Enpani or Dharma Sandeha or Volunteers or other Silent members) are here to get Answers/Anugraham from Sri Velukkudi Swami who is a ‘Learned Scholar’.

<> Swami has made this forum, so if we have any Sandeha on Dharmam, then we can ask to Swami and get clarified and start “FOLLOWING” as much as possible with BhagavAn/Acharya blessings and Swami’s Anugraham and GET-OUT of this BIRTH-DEATH cycle and enjoy the Permanent Bliss in SriVaikuntam (No pain, only Pleasure by doing Kainkaryam to BhagavAn-Thayar/Acharyan/Bakthas).

<> But here, the Kinchit website is not a company/firm. It is a website formed by Swami to help all BaddhAthmas (JeevAtmas stuck up in Samsaram) by providing Spiritual knowledge and get Acharya blessings, so we don’t take another Janma. So that we can achieve the “purpose of life” (Piraviyin Payan Piravamai, means reach SriVaikuntam in this Birth, so we don’t take a re-birth). So Swami’s expectation would be, all Bakthas to be responsible in handling the forum using our wisdom and we will adhere to our Sanatana Dharmam basic rules “Thani Manitha Ozukkam, Panbhu, Panivu (Humble), Thanadakkam (Humility), No Vicharam, only Anubhavam”.

So, we are here due to “PREETHI (Premam)”.

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Results of all the Apacharams (Insults) if any that adiyen has caused will be reaped by adiyen only.

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Sri Velukkudi Swami to forgive adiyen for anything deviated from Devareer’s ThiruUllam.

Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Adiyen Acharya Dasan,

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Ulagam Unda Peruvaayan SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

Aneka Koti Namaskarams

Adiyen recently joined the forum. At that time, all debates and discussions were going between members already. So, I had an impression that this is how forum operates. May be, Adiyen’s recent thread has triggered you to write such a long post.

Sorry for what happened. Now that you have clearly told, Adiyen will abide by the above. At the same time, I understand that for my questions if any, will be either referred to Enpani audios or answered by Swamy and others won’t give Vyakyanams on their understanding.

Thank you for detailed explanation.

Sarvam Shri Krishnaarpanamastu!

Dasoham,

Modhalla onnu purinjukanum. Debates are like that. Even though we debate for namesake, internally our AntharyAmi will tell us that we are going in some wrong direction or correct direction.

Yadavaprakashar knew udayavar was right. So he became sishya.

Its all about him the paramAthmA. Idhu Avan ishtam. May be dharma sandeha is not the right forum but our younger generation is full of energy and to learn stuff.

Molailaye killi yeriya pdaathu. Avaalukku puriya vekkanum.

Appa amma kittaye doubt kekkalaamey edhukku dharma sandheha thread? To post one way thoughts is it?

Chinna pasanga thappa Panna thiruthanum kutham solla pdaathu

Dasanudasan

Sri:
“We CANNOT ASSUME “Swami would have meant this or Swami would have meant that, or, this is what Swami’s intention is….” unless Swami states it clearly in the En Pani.”

How did Periya vAchAn Pillai Swamy interpreted (assume) AzhwAr’s hrudhayam?

Anyway as mathaji said,. please keep the forum alive, ask questions, put question marks at end of the question like this ????????????????

Please ask your friends to join, respond to surveys as only 10% are giving feedback in surveys

Take part in classes bhakthi has no age limit

Go behind answers not behind people or individual

If Velukkudi Swamy says “IT IS PRAMANAM” , it is coming from GURU PARAMPARAI

always be true to your achArya

One more thing, moderation started so please be careful in your posts ?
Bye bye

Dasanudasan
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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Dear Bakthas,

Adiyen donot see any reason, why the Baktha’s need to apologize, since the Bakthas have not commited any paapam. This is spiritual forum initiated by Swami and We won’t be here in Lotus feet of Sri Velukkudi Swami unless we have BhagavAn-Thayar-Acharyar blessings. So that itself tells, we all are blessed and we need to pray for all the remaining Jeevathams to get the same blessings. We have to do what we can do to share Swami’s Pravachanams to all Jeevathmas as much as possible with our Yatha-Shakthi and continue our Kainkaryams.

Adiyen already stated in the beginning of the thread that “Below statements are not addressed to any specific Baktha, rather to focus on the incidents. So every statement that appears as Apacharam applies to adiyen very well”.

So the “incidents” could be made by anyone intentionally or unintentionally. This includes adiyen as well, as adiyen said above.

Adiyen try to reflect Swami Pravachanams in practical life, same like other Bakthas in this forum.

Example: If adiyen say one thing to any other Baktha (receiver), the Adiyen try to be on the other side and see how a receiver would feel about it. If adiyen feel the same statements said to adiyen are acceptable to adiyen, then adiyen will inform about it to other Baktha. But this doen’t mean that adiyen can tell anything/deviate from Sanatana Dharmam basic rules of “Thani Manitha Ozukkam, Panbhu, Panivu, Thanadakkam”.

The popular usage term used for this “Try to be in other Shoes and look at it”. So adiyen try to practice this before informing any relevant things.

So practicing Swami’s Pravachanams to look everyone as “JeevAthama”, adiyen look at Only on the subjects discussed and adiyen doesn’t focus on names “who is saying who”. If adiyen did so, then it means, adiyen is judging a Baktha with a Pre-conceived mind. This will start rooting Asakya Apacharam in adiyen, not no good for Jeevathma Swaroopam. Same thinking as how other Bakthas follow as well. So adiyen really don’t understand when some other JeevAthma say’s “I follow this sampradhayam , this religion etc…..”, since adiyen start thinking Swami has said, there is only One ParamAthma & millions of JeevAthamas & indefinite Achit.

What a Jeevathama should focus while in this Samsaram is

* BahgavAn’udaya Gunankalai Vaayara sollanum,

* Nammu Kuttrathai Vaayara sollanum,

Reference: Enpani #487 ‘Dirt in our mind’.

Every Jeevathama in this Samsaram has both “Ahankaram and Mamakaram”, no doubht about it due to our karmas, but we all Bakthas are here to get rid of our own Ahankaram and Mamakaram by “listening and following” Swami’s Pravachanams.

When adiyen say “JeevaAthama” doesn’t exclude adiyen, since adiyen is also a JeevAthama, so all statements that Swami says applies to adiyen.

Adiyen also don’t understand what is “heated words” mean. It depends up on which mood we are reading or listening. We are more of “Virtual entities” in this forum though we are real people. So body language, expressions (Rajas or Tams or Satva) cannot be judged while discussing in this forum. So, there is gross misinterpretations possible.

Swami has said in one of the Enpani (don’t know the Enapani number) that, ” Namma innoruvar manusukulla pugundhu avargal yenna yosichi solkiraargal yendru solla miduyadhu”. Adunalaey, namma Bhagavanudaya Gunagalum, Nammudaya Kuttrangalayum mattum dhaan yosikanum”. So adiyen try to follow these and look only on subjects that is being discussed.

In another thread “Can we teach Sandhya Vandhanam and Gayatri to Others”, adiyen tried to portray “GURU-BAKTHI” with references from Swami’s Pravachanams using an example GunaMeter for simplicity. So, the focus should be on GURU-BAKTHI which every Baktha in this forum already possess due to Swami’s blessings.

Adiyen focusses only on the ‘subject’ that is being discussed, doesn’t focus on others ‘expressions/own thinking ‘, since those are “their own personal properties”. If anything that adiyen find as irrelevant or different from Swami’s Pravachanams, then adiyen will keep SHARING/REFERENCING Swami’s Pravachanams based on whatever adiyen remembers.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Adiyen Acharya Dasan,

Adiyen Sri Ramanuja Dasan,

Makan Chor SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

Swami for certain questions if Adiyen finds answer from acharyar’s (Jeeyar swami’s) teachings can I post that?