Ramanuja-ParaKalandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

Thank you for the suggestions.

I have prayed to couple of divya desa Perumal. Got temporary relief. Now, I also specifically prayed to Lord Narayanan. Waiting for results. Thanks for reminding me about the use of five sense organs towards Him. I follow it partly.

This one

“one more important tip whenever a part of the Shareeram pains do say with faith and belief any DivyaDesam NAME, Pallandu- Pallandu Vazhuga”

is easy to follow. Shall consider.

Thanks again.

adiyen

Kambandasan,

Namaskaram.

The Guru or the teachers appointed by Guru transmits pranahuti to the spiritual aspirant. This is a yogic transmission. This is done during group meditation and by the teacher to the individual. Karmas get cleaned through this transmission. They take up chakras depending on the condition of the aspirant.

Surrender i.e., saranagati is part of the system. Constant remembrence enable the aspirant to advance further. It is stated that the aspirant if follow meticulously, can attain mukthi in this birth itself.

adiyen

Kambandasan swamy

Thank you for the explanation Jayaram swamy. I was not aware of this system before. I presume this process is something along the line of the Yoga Rahasya from Nathamuni, which for reasons beyond our grasp was lost to SriVaishnavas ever since the time of Yamunacharya.

adiyen dasan. 

Namaskaram Swami

Its very nice for a person to follow such things but for a saranagata, to reduce the remaining part of karmas, its not the duty of saranagata outrightly, it is of Bhagwan’s, But yes there are several ways to reduce it , i.e through doing Nitya Karma Anushtanam, Thiruvaradhanai, Yatra, Kalakshepams,  Bhagwat and Bhagwata Kainkaryam and many more, even apart from all this another way to reduce karma is 40 times Purusha Suktam  Parayanam with Nishtai  (One who recites, for him the Karmas reduces to a great extent ) do try, along with Namasankeertanam , and silently chanting “Srimate Ramanujaye Namah” every second, in initially it might feel difficult but when it is done with faith, it becomes easy,enthusiastic, with efficacy.

And as Devarir mentioned about Group Meditation, one thing to keep in mind, through Dhyanam certainly one gets connected to self and Bhagwan, but it should not be considered  as an upayam to attain Mukti, since it is the duty of Bhagwan, and if we try something on our own then Bhagwan’s Thiru-ulam will not like it.

Adiyen Dasan

Ramanuja-ParaKalandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

Thank you for your response.

Your statement

“not be considered as an upayam to attain Mukti, since it is the duty of Bhagwan”

It is not only group meditation, but saranagati, constant rememberence, service to guru and other aspirants etc., are part of the sadhanas. It is the Guru who takes along to the destination.

adiyen

Kambandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

I thank you for your concern.

I would like to know the answer for my first question also.

I thought about Rekhi 6 months back, could not make it, since the healer did not respond. Your suggestion strengthened my view on Rekhi. I shall attempt.

I thank you for your wishes and pray to God for you the same thing.

For the reply to your last sentence: I do not know your age. I seek Him to shower His blessings to you. (Not from me)

adiyen

enpanifan swamy,

Your points are noted and well taken. Though I am suffering, I do not repent for my decision for taking up the sadhanas, since I took it willingly.

Thank you.

adiyen

I would like to clarify that “But when there is one teacher for 1000’s of students it becomes challenging.” Statement is more relevant for a yogic stream which requires close supervision and may not be relevant for devotional or bhakthi margam.

Adiyen

enpanifan swamy,

Noted. The system has teachers appointed by Guru. They take it up individually with the aspirant every week.

‘But based on my experience, most spiritual processes do bring out our hidden karma’

Can you elaborate, if you are willing.

adiyen

Srimate Ramnujaye Namaha,

Jayaram swamy, My observation/understanding is (may be for not all souls) but for many..once when we start a spiritual process- essentially it means our past karma has to be flushed out so that they do not hinder our actions, speech and thought to move in right path. So it kind of gets stirred up.. not new karma, but old residues come up to surface. If we want to make this as our last life then all the karma that we have done in millions of births have to be exhausted.  (But in Saranagathi process, Velukkudi swami has explained that all the past sanchita karma is exhausted, but the prarabdha associated with the current body has to be spent). But I am not sure of other processes how they work.

This is what I meant.

Adiyen

enpanifan swamy,

Thank you for the explanation.

adiyen

Jayaram swamy, namaskaram. 

I have heard from two friends their personal experience on the effectiveness of this method of therapy; that is how I got faith in these systems. But I do not know any such practitioner myself.

I hope one of the members of this forum may kindly share some information on this.

Thank you.

adiyen dasan.

Kambandasan swamy,

Thanks for the details.

adiyen

@Kambandasan Swamy
Enna voi posukkunu ipdi solliteer? “Yoga Rahasya from Nathamuni” “lost to SriVaishnavas” Can’t we flip the pages of YogA book by Sriman NAthamunigal? How can we forget? Let me try in Amazon, or Google book storeFrom vikraminside

நீர் என்னதான் தலைகீழ நின்னாலும் கிடைக்காது. இந்த வழி / பயிற்சி ஸ்ரீவைஷ்ணவர்களுக்கு தேவையில்லை என்பதால்தான் ஆளவந்தாரே அதை பெற்று கொள்ளாதபடி அமைந்தது. ஆளவந்தாரே பெறவில்லை என்றால் உங்கள் கூகுல்-மாமா எங்கிருந்து கொண்டு வருவார்?

Jayaram swamy had engaged in that practise through some other school of practitioners in a line other than SriVaishnavism. We do not know anything about it; so it is not appropriate to raise questions about it.

Instead of raising endless questions about the other process, at the very least you can give this much credit to that process that it has somehow or other brought Jayaram swamy to deeper quest in SriVaishnavism – brought him to Ramanujacharya’s shelter under the guidance of our Swamy! Isn’t that great!! Instead of rejoicing this, to keep on piling endless questions is not going to lead to any positive discussion, I believe.

Yes, Saranagathi is indeed the simplest and most ideal especially for people of kali yuga. We are fortunate to receive this shelter from our acharyas.

Kindly forgive me if my words have hurt you.

adiyen dasan

Kambandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

Your statement ::

“somehow or other brought Jayaram swamy to deeper quest in SriVaishnavism – brought him to Ramanujacharya’s shelter under the guidance of our Swamy”

I thought it would be appropriate to mention few points.

As I mentioned, I prayed for guidance. The incident which introduced me to meditation, makes me to strongly believe that my prayer is replied. I discontinued due to physical issues, otherwise I would have continued. I do not know His plans, whether He wanted me to undergo effect of karmas, since the load of karmas is more. I can feel my sub consciousness still keep uttering / remembering my Guru even after giving up the sadhanas more than 13 years back.

I am from a family worshiping Lord Narayanan. Hence, I wanted to fall back in that line, in case of discontinuing. My grand mother had Chanka & Chakra. I am not really sure whether she was initiated to Pancha karmas with five steps. I understand, she gave up certain practices because of family condition. She adviced me to take up this in 1990’s. But, I had different thought. Some of our relatives did take Pancha karmas. Hence, I hope the phylosophy of Vaishnavism is not new for us.

I used to go to temples very frequently and worship the Brahmam in idols. I am not attracted by the ‘alankarams’ to the deity. I also feel comfortable to worship Him at my heart and trying to remember Him.

I read the texts of Gita, Bhagavatam (glanced ?) etc., earlier. I purchased “Nalayira Divya prabandham” and have some texts on Brahma Sutra. I am yet to complete them. I am left with lesser time. It will take long time to get in depth details. Hence, my intention is to read or glance to get the details of my interest. I am searching, reading and listening to spiritual information including Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s upanyasams.

I am yet to decide about my plan on further spiritual journey. I have put Lord Narayanan in my heart and trying to remember Him. If I can make it a constant remembrance, I think it will be highly beneficial. Taking Pancha karmas requires certain things to be strictly followed. I may not suit to practice that process. I am a man with imperfections.

I observed this forum to have mixture of Bhaktas of various Acharyas.

I hope Lord Narayanan will guide me further in my spiritual journey.

adiyen

vikraminside swamy,

“Muyarchi thiruvinaiyakkum”

adiyen

Jayaram Swamy,

namaskaram. My respect for your is growing deeper with every post! Thank you for sharing with us about your journey so far.

Let me please respond to some of the points you have mentioned:

i) Remembering your Guru in the yoga process is very natural for any grateful person! Most of us would immediately stand up if we see even our LKG teacher now, then what to speak of some one who has guided us in the yoga process.

ii) It appears to me that your patti suggesting to you to receive panca-samskaram is also a divine response to your constant prayer for guidance. And this memory coming again now in our discussion, I think this is also a divine response to your prayers. You kindly look within and see if this is true or not.

iii)

 I read the texts of Gita, Bhagavatam (glanced ?) etc., earlier. I purchased “Nalayira Divya prabandham” and have some texts on Brahma Sutra. I am yet to complete them. I am left with lesser time. It will take long time to get in depth details.From pd_jayaram

Please continue these engagements. Hearing from acharyas, and studying based on what we hear is prescribed for all of us. In your retired life you have all the time to do this; and you are one of the rare persons I know who is using the retired life properly for the purpose it is meant for. It is an inspiration for people like myself; sooner or later we too will reach that age and your example is very important for us.

When you study scriptures don’t worry about not understanding the deeper meanings etc. I am sure you too have heard and relished Kannadasan’s song “கோகுலத்தில் பசுக்கள் எல்லாம் கோபாலன் பெயரை சொல்லி…”. “அட படிப்பில்லாத ஆட்கள் கூட பாதத்திலே போய் விழுந்தால் வேதத்துக்கே பொருள் விளங்குது ராமா ஹரி”. Let us simply go and fall flat at His feet in full saranagathi! 🙂

(iv)

I may not suit to practice that process. I am a man with imperfections.From pd_jayaram

This is a beautiful statement by you. Because, the saranagathi process is not for someone who thinks he has attained perfection. It is especially meant for those who have realised “I am full of imperfections and I can not give up these imperfections by my own effort. Saranagathi is my only recourse”. So, you are indeed the perfect person for Saranagathi / Panca samskara. My humble suggestion to you is, if you know the lineage from whom your patti received panca samskaram, please approach the current acharyar in that lineage, express to him your interest and the reasons that make you hesistant. He will guide you accordingly. If he says ‘you wait for some time’ that is okay; but you yourself do not avoid because of some concerns. The acharyar will consider all aspects and guide you accordingly.

adiyen dasan.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

@Kambabdasanswamy
நீர் என்னதான் தலைகீழ நின்னாலும் கிடைக்காது. இந்த வழி / பயிற்சி ஸ்ரீவைஷ்ணவர்களுக்கு தேவையில்லை என்பதால்தான் ஆளவந்தாரே அதை பெற்று கொள்ளாதபடி அமைந்தது. ஆளவந்தாரே பெறவில்லை என்றால் உங்கள் கூகுல்-மாமா எங்கிருந்து கொண்டு வருவார்

Pinna eppadi prAnic healer available Swamy?

Dasanudasan

Kambandasan swamy,

It is ok. Thank you.

adiyen

RS Swamy,

Namaskaram.

Thank you for your time and effort in providing the reference.

It is nicely explained about the reference of
Brahman in Vedantam. Mostly it is mentioned about Brahman in Vedantam in the audio. At one place it is mentioned about Perumal. I am not a critic. I am trying get the reference of the fact.

adiyen

please read Bhagavad Gita 14.26 and 14.27.

Also, please read 18.53 and 18.54.

adiyen dasan.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Brahmam is both SaguNam & NirguNam

So Sriman NArAyaNa is brahmam & Adi moolam

This is evident from Gajendra moksham

Dasanudasan