Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:
Adiyen disagree with ElayaAlwar Swamy
Dasanudasan

Every Yuga has a Guna
Ref:
“Kali Dharma Niroopanam”

Brahma is no mere creation.
MandO bhavishyan
If Hayagreevar has not taught Brahma back the Vedas Brahma would have become Moodan.- Srimath Andavan

So Brahma being Brahma, cannot act against Yuga Dharmam. He should be Vedic no mattee what. Though he also is subject to Tri Gunas as he was also taught lesson under Brahma Mohana Leela by Sri Krishna.

If Hanuman becomes Brahma will he remain the same as Hanuman in previous janma? There is no Guarantee.

We have seen Jata Bharatha born as deer.

Valmiki history

Narada as boy.

Eeshwara Sankalpam is beyond any speculation

Sanath Kumara Maharishis who won “manyu” (kopam) got angry in Sri Vaikuntam . It is Perumal’s Aghatitha Ghatana SAmarthyam – Sri Mukkur Lakshmi Narasimha Acharyar

As “Vaikuntam Puguvadhu mannavar vidhiye” – Sri NammAzhwar

The Chiranjeevi title is also subjective to long life only

Like sahasra seerisha purusha: doesn’t meant only 1000 but relative

As Amrutham literally means no death but long life

So nothing can be said as to the qualities of Brahma.

The best approach is to reach Moksham as soon as possible.

That includes Hanuman & Adiyen strongly pray for him to reach Moksham faster

Dasanudasan

Adiyen remember Narada was born as a girl & was subject to materialistic pain & pleasure.

What Perumal had thought Hanuman to be married at some point in future?

Kalyanam pannittu Sandhoshama varamtumey nu nenachirundharnna?

Namma kitta dhan Krama mukthi adhu idhu ngraley.

All our SriVaishnavite Acharyas are married.

Dasanudasan

Was Dhruvan given immediate Moksham?
Was Prahladhan given immediate Moksham?

PerumAlukku vera Vela kedaiyadhu. He still thinks “Leela Vibhuthi” is a position of enjoyment.

The one who surrendered by self effort or acharya’s effort what self pleasure he or she has to get?

Avalukku varam kuduthu enna prayojanam?

Idhula “Prahladha Varadan” nu Peru vera

Kekaravaala vittuttu , vendAm vendAm nu soldravaalukku kudukka vendiyadhu

PrahlAdhan naatai aanda enna aalatti enna? (Avara porutha varaikkum)

Kaetta BhAgavatha sampandham, avaalala ungalukku nalladhu-mba

But avalukku Kashtam dhaney

Hanumanai yaaru Moksham venamnu solla sonnadhu? Avar nava vyAkaraNa pandithar. Avarukku theriyAdha PurushArthamA?

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Ram2000 Swamy, do you mean current Brahma is not capable of maintaining balance?

So funny. This forum is evaluating Brahma himself.

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Swamy Narada was denied entry by Vishnu into Shweta Dweepam because people are of good nature there. They could not withstand Naradar Kalaham may be.

It is the nature of inmates not because of Brahma capabilities!!!

Hey Brahma, I pity you, people here are underestimating you.

What about Kritha & Treta Yuga here? People were good. Then Brahma became bad & so people never bad is it?

The only bad thing he did was to create this creation on behalf of Sriman Narayana for us. I think Perumal need more training to create better Brahmas.

Dasanudasan

My understanding is that Brahma does His duty being in meditative mood. Hence, the new Brahma, Hanuman will continue with His devotion uninterrupted. It is to be noted that Brahma goes to Srivaikuntam after His life period. Any Brahma,
for that matter, will be keep worshipping Him.

Swami,

Thanks for the input. So, does every Brahma go to Vaikuntam after His life period? Could you please explain more as adiyen has not heard of this? Then does every Shiva also go to Vaikuntam after his life?

Adiyen

Yes. That is my understanding.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Going to SriVaikuntam is not a vacation trip.
AnEka Janma Samsiddha:
If Perumal demands one has to be tied up in any if material loka.

Question not about capabilities if siriya thiruvadi
Perumal may wish anything for a jeevAthmA
We cannot predict his Leela

Why some Azhwar in just 10 pAsurams?
Why some after 1000s?

The moment Hanuman engages in creation, he becomes part of Karmic cycle. Hanuman is not an exception.

Unless he does RamArpanam, it will be tied to him no matter what.

To justify,
While Searching Seetamma he did prayer to Surya & other devatAs.

Hanuman could not find Seetamma.

After submitting to SeetA Raman Hanuman finds Seethamma in Ashoka Vanam.

When SriRam called Hanuman to SriVaikuntam, Hanuman should have told ” Your Wish” exactly like Lakshmana.

Lakshamana Swamy (Periya Thiruvadi) says ” There is nothing like my wish to build ParNa Shala. I will build as per your liking”

While Hanuman said ” I want only SriRama Nishtai”

So he did give priority to his Jeeva SwAthanthriya SwabhAvam.

Perumal could have left Hanuman for our benefit no doubt but for sure Hanuman into Brahma’s post not sure if he can justify creation as he is not interested in it at all.

He might engage all of us in Rama Nama Sankeerthanam but will have to wait and see why this thituvilaiyadal of Perumal.

I see lot of contradictions in Ramayanam itself.

At one end , they say, Dasharatha’s RamA’s rule no poor or no one to get dhanam.

Other end they say SriRam & Dasharatha did lot of Dhanam. There was a poor when SriRam left for forest.

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Same incidents will repeat in all yugAs. AthmAs should differ after a logical end point IMO. Somewhere in Ramayanam adiyen listened Agastyar was told to be spanning multiples of tens of chathur YugAs. 27 or something not exactly sure.

The recycling of yugA concept I don’t understand. Same dwara palaka will commit apachAram again?

Won’t it be boring for perumal to do same thing again & again?

Also how emotional outbursts can repeat?

Also how other AthmAs will have same karmic package?

If same person born again & again in a cycle where is the cycle break for moksham?

Once cycle breaks, who will qualify as next Hanuman?

Good souls like Vibheeshana, Hanuman , Jambavan , markandeya keep existing beyond Yuga timelines

What about ashwathama? Is he next Veda vyAsa? How does he qualify if at all after a bad eventful past?

Dasanudasan

The major events such as avatars will repeat and not each and every incidents.

🤔 there is some uncertainty about this. Some upanyasaka (don’t wish to name it would not be appropriate) say, Rama visited Agastya Rishi 27th time or something.

What is major avatar without a need for it?
I can’t accept your statement.

Dharma Samsthapanarthya sambhavami

So what is major & minor harm to Dharma?

Dasanudasan

I can’t accept your statement.From vikraminside

The statement, avatars will repeat in every  yuga (chatur yuga) is not my statement. I heard it from sri. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy’s upanyasam. I already indicated in my previous post. Accepting or not accepting is one’s prerogative. I accept. 

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy just said “AvatArs will repeat” you added “reasoning” to it which I disagreed. You cannot mix your own statement with Velukkudi Swamy ‘s and say “he said in in entirety”

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

By the way I would like to clarify my statement

“Some upanyasaka (don’t wish to name it would not be appropriate) say, Rama visited Agastya Rishi 27th time or something.” –

was told by Sri Vittaldas Maharaj Swamy

Adiyen did not say his name because he compared ”

Sita Piratti with Shiva” – Bhasma Bhasmarhatehacha

Rama with Parvathi – Striyam Purusha Vigraham

I did not like it. Cannot accept own pramANams even if it is Dheekshitar

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Devareer still did not answer what is major & minor about events?

“The major events such as avatars will repeat and not each and every incidents.”

Adiyen need clarification. Devareer just cannot make a passing statement like this sorry.

Major= Avatar
Minor = All other events

My question, “Why will an avatar take place simply”? Is Perumal a fool to take avatar without a need?

Is avajAnanthi Maa MoodA: applicable to Perumal himself?

Avar perumal avarukku theriyadhu sari
Avar perumal ullavan endrey avarukku theriyadha?

Dasanudasan

Auto spell correct issue:

“Avar perumal avarukku theriyadhu sari
Avar perumal ullavan endrey avarukku” to read

Avar perumai avarukku theriyadhu sari
Avar perumai ullavan endrey avarukku theriyAdhA?

Perumal to read Perumai here

Dasanudasan

I got a thought on atma of Hanuman taking births repeatedly as Hanuman till becomes Brahma, which was posted earlier. Since Hanuman has to become Brahma, only that particular atma has to be born as Hanuman, as avatars will repeat. If this can be the case then, the inference of this idea is that only a particular atma will be born as Hanuman for every chatur yuga till mahapralayam. This indicates, this particular atma takes same birth as Hanuman as many as 36 million times. This is a unique detail.

Having got this thought, in a joyous mood and also since the query on this thread is on the character, Hanuman in Ramayanam (Rama being an avatar), while posting did not give much attention and mentioned as incidents instead of avatar. I kept in my mind, avatars only as the major events.

I have not mixed my words, it was not intentional and there is no need for me also. What do I achieve by mixing up?. On realising the communication gap, I have later clarified as “avatar will repeat”.  

Reason for continuing probing on the same, instead of discussing on the viability of my thought, is not understood. Had you been aware about repeating of avatars, probably you would have indicated immediately after my post rather than a week after my post.

SriVaishnava Dasan Swamy,
Adiyen not frequenting Dharma sandeha due to tight schedule so responding late. Devareer only misinterpreted my statement as “I did not accept Velukkudi ‘s statement” to which adiyen made a response

Adiyen was very clear in question, why will Avatar take place? There should be a need. If Hanuman is Brahma.

Another treta yugam, another Hanuman,he will also become next Brahma?

So this Hanuman will expire after next chathur yugam?

Or Hanuman will pray multiple personality role like Avesha Anupravesha AvatAram?

Why devareer upset I don’t know.?

Thanks for the clarification.

Adiyen ask for kshmApanam.

Dasanudasan

Sorry Swamy
Adiyen mistook it
Dasanudasan

Adiyen see most of this discussion went in speculative direction.
Facts missing but interesting discussion.
Dasanudasan