Karma Vs service

Updated on June 4, 2020 in Karma
8 on April 21, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Namaskaaram, Swami.

Sometimes during major life decisions / undertakings , it seems there is some underlying selfishness, but because of our training and hearing sastras(upanyaasams) we find some opportunity to see the  service/ kainkaryam that can be done if we take that decision.   Or it could be vice versa, in opportunities majorly for service may have some scope for our selfishness like fame,good name etc. 

So In such scenarios when there is possibility for both service and selfishness, how do we take the right decision?  Ideally it should be 100% service oriented, but it is tough to gauge if that is the case while taking decision, and even if we intend so , whether we will remain so after taking that decision as well, is a big confusion.

Another angle is even if one is 100% service oriented if he decides to do a service beyond one’s capability or maturity, it will also affect him adversely, conversely one cannot neglect the service that Perumaal intends us to do.

So in this kind of “dharma sankatam” situation, how to know what is Perumaal’s desire and intention so that we do not act out of self interest?

Adiyen

 

 

 
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Our Swami has beautifully answered in enpani 1719

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6 on April 22, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

Namaskaaram Swami. Thank you very much for answering the question in today’s Enpani audio 1719.

Thanks for clarifying and reminding that somehow we should engage ourselves in Kainkaryam – that should be the focus.

I had a sub-question to this topic , but probably i did not communicate it well in the original post  and also it may not be possible to answer it in one audio along with the other questions, that is why probably you have not answered.

I rephrase that question here, Swamy.

As you have explained our focus should be to do kainkaryam. I have heard in upanyasams that we should choose kainkaryam as per our yatha sakthi and purity. So how do i decide what type and to what extent should i involve myself in particular kainkaryam. For example one may feel inspired out of temporary enthusiasm and  may take a decision beyond his realization or capacity , and later due to  bodily/mental discomfort one may regret the decision and then in the long term will not have any enthusiasm to do any kainkaryam at all.

For example when Sethu bridge was being built, monkeys carried stones and squirrels carried sand particles by rolling in mud.  If the squirrels tried to carry the stones they would have hurt themselves. (in this case even if the squirrels were hurt they would have been still devoted or would have attained liberation, because they were real  devotees, but what would happen to those who have not reached such stage of devotion?)

So how do we assess if a particular kainkaryam is something within our means of spiritual capacity?

Adiyen.

 

Swami, this is my humble understanding. “அவனின்றி ஒரு அணுவும் அசையாது” ie: Every effort we put is not ours as a prapannan (or not – coz: as Sri Velukkudi Swami says in his upanyasams: ஊழி காலத்தில் ஜடமாக இருந்த நாம் அவன் தயவால் மட்டுமே படைக்க பட்டோம்). Also, if you refer to Sri Velukkudi Swami upanyasam on Srimad Ramayanam, on why Hanuman was selected as a messenger. Hanuman knows very well that with the blessings of Sri Rama any monkey in that army could have done that job and Hanuman’s superpowers were insignificant. Said that the question of “our so-called capacity” doesn’t even arise and there is no need to evaluate our capacity when a kaimkariyam is given to us. If a kaimkariyam falls on our lap by Bhagavan’s grace, Adiyen always believes it’s a bhagyam and typically don’t get into any logical analysis. This is adiyen’s humble opinion. 

Adiyen,
Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan. 

on April 24, 2020

Srimate Ramnujaye Namaha!

Namaskaaram.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree what you said is true, but provided it is a directly indicated kainkaryam by Acharya/Guru.

In other cases when we ourselves volunteer to  take up some activity as a kainkaryam to Perummal only then the question i have asked arises. In those cases probably it is best to consult Guru/acharaya as we ourselves cannot come to a conclusion on-  if it is a service that Perumaal intends us to do or out of our like and dislike we are choosing a particular activitity/kainkaryam (as tasks with our likes and dislike don’t quality as kainkaryam) 

Thanks

Adiyen

 

 

on June 2, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram,

Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami has said in “BhaktiMaargam” Upanyasam  that ThiruAradhanai (Poojai to Perumal) is FIRST. Based on that BhagavAn’s Preethyartham, automatically HE will engage us in the necessary other Services which doesn’t interrupt or compromise our daily ThiruAradhanai. Some don’t have Liking towards BhagavAn’s daily ThiruAradhanai, For those people, they have lot of uneasiness/dissatisfaction in their regular life, which will never end, unless one does ThiruAradhanai to Perumal with PURE LOVE by themselves with passion under no compulsion.

Velukkudi Swami’s Golden words in the above Upanyasam about ThiruAradhanai / Thondu / SERVICE (Kainkaryam):

Azhwar acharyar say that “irrespective of who is doing, he is going to do some abhacharam. So preethi yoda sei“. Aradhanam is not going to help us in changing big things, but இது அவனுக்கு காட்டும் கடமை, இனிமை, ஸ்வரூப லாபத்துக்காக, ஜீவாத்ம பரமாத்ம வின் அடிமை என்பது சித்திக்கணும், சேஷத்துவம் சித்திக்கணும், சித்திக்கணும் என்றால்,  ஆராதனம் பூஜிதே தீர வேண்டும். ஆராதனம் பண்ணி பெருமாள் திருப்தி அடைந்தார் என்றல், அணைத்து சமுதாய தொண்டு செய்ததாகிறது. இதை பண்ணாமல் மற்றபேறுக்கு தொண்டு என்று சொன்னால், அவர் திருப்தி அடையாமல் இருந்தால், எந்த ஜீவா ராசி திருப்தி அடையும் ? அதனால் அவரை திருப்தி அடைவித்து நம்ப ஸ்வரூப லாபத்தை பெற்று,  அதனால் அனைவருக்கும் தொண்டு புரிந்தவர்களாக அகா வேண்டும்.

Velukkudi Swami’s today’s Enpani #1760 about ThiruAradhanai to Perumal reminded adiyen of the above Swami’s related upanyasam, so thought of sharing it in relation with ThiruAradhanai & Service.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on June 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

Namaskaram Elayalwar Swami,

Thanks for linking 1760 to this thread of discussion.

Though I agree that there is some relevance to this thread, in the view that one should take up services which does not affect our direct personal service to Perumaal like Thiruvaaradanam etc.

Yes I agree, But last month Swami posted one enpani audio that each person’s daily personal service to Perumaal and japam etc will take few hours of time, apart from that we should do some pious service.  So this question was more related to can anyone take up any service, as in some cases though intention may be good , it is a big risk ..like fighting aethistic scientists/ general corruption in society etc.. Different services require different levels of purity.

The conclusion i came above from the discussion above was anything which is personally given to us / confirmed by our Guru and Acharya is the only other service( other than thiruvaaradanam/ nitya anusandhana service etc)  that we need to focus upon.

Dhanyosmi

Adiyen

 

 

 

 

on June 3, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Yes, your conclusion in this context is what Adiyen referred in earlier thread as:

 

Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami has said in “BhaktiMaargam” Upanyasam  that ThiruAradhanai (Poojai to Perumal) is FIRST. Based on that BhagavAn’s Preethyartham, automatically HE will engage us in the necessary other Services which doesn’t interrupt or compromise our daily ThiruAradhanai.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on June 4, 2020

Dhanyosmi swami..🙏

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