Moksham

Updated on July 11, 2017 in General
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Can I pray for someone’s Moksham? Is it possible?

 
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0 on June 27, 2017

Yes Adiyen. Prayer for others are even more powerful.

683 power of prarthana En Pani

Adiyen

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Hare Krishna! Namaskaram Swami!

One has to be a pure devotee for Bhagavan to fulfill a prayer. A surrender becomes ‘unconditional’ when devotee does not even ask for ‘Moksha’.  Rather he only wishes to be a devotee always and serve the lord either in this world or in spiritual world. In this process/state, Bhagavan himself ‘serves’ the devotee and there is no question of attaining ‘liberation’.

Please forgive/correct if there is any misunderstanding.

Sarvam Krishnarpanam!

on June 29, 2017

Dasan,
There are sampradhayic differences to your answers but for Naresh Swami your answer will suffice.
Adiyen

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

 

Dear Bakthas,

 

Swami’s Enpani 641  “Can we pray for others” says about whose prayers and which type of prayers are successful. 

 

Yes, Enpani 683 “Power of Prarthana” says about when BhagavAn will approve the prarthanai and how BhagavAn provides the results of our prarthanai (need not be in the same way as we prayed. BhagavAn will provide much better solution than our actual prayer).

 

But Acharyas praying for others Moksham are gauranteed success.

 

Yes the 1st part,  “One has to be a pure devotee for Bhagavan to fulfill a prayer. A surrender becomes ‘unconditional’ when devotee does not even ask for ‘Moksha’. Rather he only wishes to be a devotee always and serve the lord either in this world or in spiritual world” is similar to what adiyen has heard in Swami’s spiritual discourses.

 

But, adiyen has difficulty in accepting the 2nd part  “In this process/state, Bhagavan himself ‘serves’ the devotee……. “.

 

Devotees duty is to follow a Sathvik Guru/Acharya and continue to serve BhagavAn and  serve HIS favorites Acharyas and Devotees. A devotee should not think about BhagavAn ‘serves’ the devotee. This is something that BhagavAn have to decide and not us. This type of a devotees thinking is not good for a constructive spiritual path. The Gopas/Gopikas intially had unconditional love and affection towards SriKrishna and they were ‘serving’ HIM, but during this path of serving, the gopas/gopikas has a head-weight that SriKrishna is always for me and will do anything for me. This led to Ahankaram and they started treating BhagavAn as a servent (give me this…, take this for me etc…). SriKrishna was disappointed with their behaviour and HE had to leave them, though HE had other agendas during HIS avatar, and BhagavAn even didnot take them to Moksham. 

 

Also, adiyen have difficulty in accepting “………..and there is no question of attaining ‘liberation’”, since Swami has said in many spiritual discourses that Moksham is a Physical place called as SriVaikuntam as described in Shastras/Vedas. 

 

Moksham (liberation) is a general word. Liberation from what is the next question? LIberation from busy work day or liberation from family issues or liberation from health issues or which liberation? These liberations doen’t stop us getting another janma, since karma is not yet erased.

 

Swami says, the liberation from “Janma-Karma-Jananam (birth-karma-rebirth)” is called as the final Moksham (reaching SriVaikuntam). Enpani 08 & 26 and many audios.

 

Enpani 10 says about ” 3 categories of Jiva”. 

 

JivaAthma in Materialistic world (includes all Andams which is 1/4th of the total size) is called BhadhAthma and when the same Athma gets liberated from “karma-Janma-karma” with Acharya Swami Ramanujar blessings, then the Athma reaches Spiritual world (Physical place which is 3/4th of the total size). At that time, this Athma will be called as MukthAthma.

 

This SriVaikuntam place has many lokas like SriKrishna lokam, SriVaraha lokam, SriNarasimha lokam etc… for devotess to serve BhagavAn permanently without any disturbances.

 

Enpani 682 says about the Physical place SriVaikuntam “Vaikuntha important for BhagavAn or us”.

 

Only “Acharys” and “Acharys blessed learned Scholars” have the ability to correct us.

 

Adiyen is not sure, if a devotee has authority to correct another devotee “correct if there is any misunderstanding”. But a devotee can share if the knowledge is based on PRAMAANAM (True source of Spiritual Knowledge material). But Adiyen Pramaanam is Swami’s pravachanams.

 

Please forgive all my errors.

 

All credits goes to all Gurus and Sri Velukkudi Swami’s lotus feet and Acharyas lotus feet.

 

Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai.

on July 5, 2017

Hare Krishna! Namaskaram Swami! Please accept my humble respects.

Yes, Agree that Adiyen is not qualified to speak of Bhagavan, just sharing a opinion. Creating this world, making every Jiva ‘think’ that Jiva is the creator/controller in this world (through Maya) itself is a service that Bhagavan is doing for Jivas. Why ? Because Jiva wanted to ‘imitate’ the lord.

Recently Adiyen watched a movie titled ‘SriRama Hanuman’ yudham. Keeping aside the ‘scriptural authenticity’, the message at the end of the movie goes like this – Prakruti is servant of Sakti, Sakti is servant of Bhagavan, Bhagavan is servant of ‘Bakti’. So Adiyen tried to share that message. Serving the lord gives happiness and Bhagan’s service is to ‘give’ happiness. As velukkudi swami says, ‘kalyana gunangalai anubavithal’.

Since Jiva is going to serve the lord in this world/spiritual world, there is no question of liberation from ‘samsara’. Adiyen feels, that’s where vaishnavism stands apart from other (spiritual)  pursuits that there is no rush and run away from this world/maya.

Adiyen considers swami as blessed and learned scholar so swami can very well correct Adiyen.

All respects to lotus feet of Velukkudi swami.

Sarvam Krishnaarpanam!

Sri Samshaya Vichendraey Namaha,

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

Dear Bhaktha,

Adiyen is a female and not a Swami and not a learned scholar.

Adiyen is Ekalavyan to Sri Velukkudi Swami’s spiritual discourses.

Learned Scholars are those who undergoes dedicated spiritual studies for few years with an Acharya/Guru and then start preaching. Those examples are great Guru’s like our Velukkudi Swami.

Adiyen is a Devotee only. So anything that adiyen said above applies to adiyen very well. We can share knowledge authentically with reference to Guru’s/Swami’s discourses. So adiyen did the same.

Again please refer to Swami’s audios.

‘Samsara’ means Materialistic world only. Thus Samasra includes Sathya lokam, Indra lokam and all demigods lokam.

Samasara doesn’t include spiritual world SriVaikuntam. Other name is Samsara is ‘Prakritha’ mandalam full of Mishra Tatvam (Rajas/ Tamas/ Sathva gunas).

The Spiritual physical world ‘SriVaikuntam’ is with Suddha Tatvam only (apart from Mishra tatvam).

Enpani 12 “3 categories of Achit” and
Enpani 692 ” Is there Sathva Rajas Tamas for Bhagavan”.

These two worlds are separated by a river Viraja where all our karmas are demolished. Even Brahma and other demi-gods don’t gave a clue of this world except they know from Shastras and Vedas that there is a spiritual place some where outside this Samsaram. Only Bhagavan Janardhanan SriKrishna grants Moksha. Swami says this in couple of his discourses ‘Srimad Bhagavatam’ etc…

So getting liberated from ‘Samasara’ is nothing but getting liberated from the Materialistic world (“Janma, then doing karma, then taking Jananam again”) and finally we go to the Spiritual world SriVaikuntam.

The referenced Swami’s audios in this thread and in above thread provides details.

Yes BhagavAnai Anubhavikkanum is the correct attitude as Swami says in discourse “Sharanagathy Questions and Answers”.

[“BhagavAnai anubhavikkanum, avan gunangalai anubhavikkanum. Gunangalai anubhavikka anubhavikka, BhagavAn melaey namakku Preethi undaagum, intha preethi/anbhu jaastiyaagum podhu Kainkaryam pannuvoam/pannugiroam”].

So, doing Service (ADIMAI’thanam) is the end goal of JeevAthma Swaroopam. Reference from NamAlwar ThuruvaaiMozhi paasuram “Ozhivil Kaalam Yellam Udanaai Manni Vazhivilla ADIMAI Seiyya Veandum Naam….” .

When we keep improving the Service to Bhagavan, we feel this experience doesn’t last long since we get back pain, tired after some time etc… This us due to the deteriorating body that we have ( same situation with demi-gods, but their body lasts little longer than ours). So BhagavAn takes us to Spiritual world ‘SriVaikuntam’ and gives us a non-deteriorating body, so we continuously serve HIM.

Please forgive all my errors.
 
All credits goes to all Gurus and Sri Velukkudi Swami’s lotus feet and Acharyas lotus feet.

Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn ki Jai

on July 6, 2017

Thanks for the details shared.

Sarvam Krishnaarpanam.

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbam.

Most welcome.
Thanks for the understanding.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Adiyen Acharya Dasan,
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,
Sri Rukmini Thayar Sametha SriKrishna BhagavAn ki jai.

on July 11, 2017

Yaam Petra Vaazhvu Naalooraanum Peruga

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