Mundakam 74 Perumal dhana brahmam then why we say Adhu?

Updated on September 20, 2019 in Avatars
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Why we say Adhu (it) when it comes to Brahmam?

Dasanudasan

 
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1 on September 13, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Swami,

Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami has answered under Enpani 1383 “பகவானை ஒருமையில் பேசலாமா” for a similar question in the past below thread, and other Adiyaars answers also in this link.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

Respect to perumal

on September 15, 2019

Context vera Swamy. I. Vedhantham he is being called as “It” “adhu” NammAzhwar has sung “NAm aval ival yeval ucal adhu Idhu yedhu”

Perumal Avan nu solluvA but adhu nu sonnA Avan eppadi set Agum?

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1 on September 16, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Swami,

 

Swami NamAlwar ThiruvAimozhi,

 

nAm avan ivan uvan * avaL ivaL uvaL evaL *
thAm avar ivar uvar * adhu idhu udhu edhu **
vIm avai ivai uvai * avai nalam thIngkavai *
Amavai Ayavai Ay * ninRa avarE

 

 

……avaL ivaL uvaL evaL…. Refers to Feminine Species “penn paal” as per Tamizh ilakkanam (avaL) situated at a distance (ivaL), situated near (uvaL), and situated in-between (evaL)……..

 

Similarly …….adhu idhu udhu edhu……Refers to All things that can be individually pointed out (adhu) “Ottran paal” as per Tamizh ilakkanam situated at a distance (idhu), near (udhu) and in-between (edhu)……..

 

Like that, All masculine species, feminine species, all things collective objects, thibgs that can be individually pointed out, in-sentitent objects, good, bad, perishable, imperishable, all things that WERE, that ARE, that WILL BE etc….ALL SUBSIST IN HIM is the short meaning of this Paasuram. This Paasuram describes all Sentitient, InsentiIn-se objects and anything that we see, cannot see etc….all SUBSIST in HIM.

 

Adiyen suggest devareer to listen to Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Thiruvaimozhi CD with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam for clear understanding. Adiyen is also a starter/learner and took these information’s from SriVaishnava online Vyakyana granthams.

 

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

on September 16, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

AdhAn adiyen,

Aan AllaN peN allaN allA Aliyum AllaN

Aan AllaN peN allaL nu solli irukkanum as per Tamil grammar AnA AllaN nu sAdhichu irukkAr – VS KaruNAkarAchAr Swamy in ThAthparya Chandrika KAlakshepam

So it is evident that he is masculine Purushan not falling into worldly category

Why is HE called as “IT” or “ADHU” when referring him as Brahmam?

Dasanudasan

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1 on September 17, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Swami,

Same as mentioned before. Little more eloboration.

Here in paasuram, masculine or feminine refers to us (Chit’s) in these male or female bodies.

‘Nam Avan……’ in NamAlwar Paasuram refers to ‘Aan Paal’ WE Masculine species ‘orumai (A Chit in male body).

‘Aval ival……’ in NamAlwar Paasuram refers to ‘Penn Paal’ WE Female species ‘orumai (A Chit in female body).

‘Avar ivar…….’ in NamAlwar Paasuram refers to ‘Palar Paal’ Group of many (we) males or females species ‘Pannmai (many Chit’s each in different male or female bodies).

‘Adhu idhu….’ in NamAlwar Paasuram refers to the ‘Ottran paal’ species and objects’ Orumai’ like A bird or A animal or A Mountain or A table etc… (Achit), etc…and not us…..
Adhu is “Napumsakalingha NirdhIshta Vasthukkal”

Such Chit’s (Sentitient) and Achits (InSentitient) like nam Avan, Aval, Adhu etc…situated at distance or near or in-between, as well as good, bad etc….SUBSIST in HIM (ninRa avarE).

Here in this Paasuram “avarE” is the one that refers to BhagavAn.

Hence this paasuram is Tatva Trayam, “All Chits and All Achits” is shareeram of ONE BRAHMAM (BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn, The One ParamAthma).

So when we say ‘Avan or Aval or Adhu’ to BhagavAn, it also refers to BRAHMAM, as they are shareeram of Brahmam (One ParamAthma) since these cannot be separated from Brahmam “ShareeraAthma Bhaavam”.

This is short meaning with adiyens little knowledge, but “eedu vyakyaanam” explanations by Acharyas for each word goes for many pages, so Adiyen kindly request devareer to listen to Swami’s ThiruvAimozhi CD. Swami details it out. Swami has said ThiruvAimozhi is “BhagavAt Vishayam” kalakshepam.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

on September 18, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

When referring to SaguNa SavisEsha para Brahmam = AvaN
When we refer NirviseshA para Brahmam = Adhu

Referring him as aval or Avan or adhu based on SUBSET is not to be seen Swamy

Devareer’s explanation does not directly answer adiyen’s question

Or adiyen cannot understand devareer’s explanation

“Brahmathai eppadi kurippu iduvadhu” ?

Dasanudasan

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1 on September 18, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

As Adiyen kindly requested few times, please listen to Swami’s ThiruvAimozhi Kalakshepam CD with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam. The ideal situation is, if devareer can physically go and sit in one of Swami’s Kalakshepam to get the Arthams.

 

nAm avan ivan uvan * avaL ivaL uvaL evaL *
thAm avar ivar uvar * adhu idhu udhu edhu **
vIm avai ivai uvai * avai nalam thIngkavai *
Amavai Ayavai Ay * ninRa avarE

 

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

on September 20, 2019

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Looks like, So far devareer is doing great in shravanam and almost there. Little more to go with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam to attain Shanthi/Aanandham while here in samsaram and later Permanent Nithya-Aanandham/ Nithya-Kainkaryam in SriVaikuntam.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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