Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Swamy Desikan sung Sri Sthuthi for the Andhana.
This shows one thing “if we ask for others it will work”
So adiyen will pray for you
Devareer will pray for me
Dasanudasan
Mutual venduthal
Updated on July 23, 2020 in
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This shows one thing “if we ask for others it will work”
Oh! i had a different understanding from that event in Swamy Desikan’s life. My understanding is, if someone like Swamy Desikan prays for ANYTHING for ANYBODY it will be manifested. We do not know which of our desires are good for us (and everyone) which desires are not good. So, we must simply place all our desires to Swamy Desikan (or our own acharyan), and he will kindly help us get only those that are sreyas for us and everyone.
One a lighter note, I had a hilarious experience now. When I first read the title of the post I read it as “muttal venduthal'”. Even aftter opening the post and reading what you have written I still thought you had appropraitely titiled it as muttal venduthal. It took me a while before I realised my mistake i reading…. it is actually ‘mutual’ and not ‘muttal’.! I laughed at my muttal-tanam. 😀
adiyen dasan.
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We can pray for others without expectations. Such prayers may work. I really doubt whether mutual prayer will work.
Perumal like to fulfill BhAgavathA’s wishes especially if its selfless.
If two persons do mutual prayer, then whether selflessness can be there?.
God will fulfill anyone’s (I believe) prayer if it is selfless. I even believe that the prayer can be at any time and any place. It is only the feeling with which it is prayed matters.
This is only my personal belief.
adiyen
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I get that you are concerned about our friend. But what is that you are concerned about is not clear to me. Can you please state that explicitly, so that we can see whether the concern arises from a genuine cause or a misinterpretation / miscommunication. (a medium like this where we don’t see each other, don’t understand each other properly, there is a lot of room for such miscommunication / misintrepretations)
By the way, I didn’t know the meaning of the couplet you have included in your reply. I searched the internet and now I understand it refers to the mind. How tricky the mind is – it is like a drunken monkey stung by a scorpion and possessed by spirits. Nice metaphor for the mind – not only for specific individuals, but each one of us! So, I realise how important it is for me to watch my mind and be vigilant about how it interprets others’ actions, how it passes judgement about others and if I am not careful it could even make me express spiteful words about others. Thank you for sharing this.
sincerely,
Kambandasan.
I get that you are concerned about our friend. But what is that you are concerned about is not clear to me. Can you please state that explicitly
Dear Udayavar,
let me explain why I am asking as quoted above. In my understanding, I will be concerned about someone and raise a red flag if:
- The person blasphemes Perumal
- The person speaks ill of acharyas
- The person misrepresents Ramanuja-darshanam
- The person is rude and disrespectful to other members on this forum
If any member on this forum commits one of these stated offences, I will raise my concern, hold them accounable and try to get an apology from them, and help them back on track.
But in my observation Vikraminside has not committed any of these offences. So, it is not clear to me why some one should be concerned about him. Hence my question to you.
However I have to admit, at times I have been annoyed by some of his statements; but to get annoyed is my fault and there isn’t any fault on his part. I may not like something, but there are 1000-plus other members on this forum and some of them may like it! Just because I don’t like what he has said doesn’t mean it is wrong. Right or Wrong is judged based on scriptures and acharyas’ teachings; not based on my likes and dislikes. So, if I don’t like some question or statemebt he has posted all I have to do is simply not click on it and move on to other options available. Nobody can compel me to read what he has posted; I have the full freedom to not read his statements and thus not get annoyed.
Despite not liking some of his statements, I have admiration for Vikraminside. He is one of the longest and most active members on this forum. He asks many questions (some of which appear to be silly) because he has taken to heart his guru’s instruction that asking questions is the way to make spiritual progress. Some of his seemingly ‘silly’ questions have developed to very interesting and useful discussion among members. I realised Vikraminside may not be sophisticated in his expressions or the way he presents his ideas. I consider him like Tenali Raman – he appears to be a simpleton; but his contribution is immense. That is one reason I respect him a lot.
Because I respect him a lot, I do appreciate when someone like you is concerned about him; but it is not clear to me why you are concerned about him Kindly explain.
Thank you very much.
yours humbly
Kamban dasan.
Dhanyosmi Swamy
Let’s talk about Sri Rangan.
There was an interesting analogy from Premi Swamy
How VibheeshaNA was able lift Ranga vimAnam?
Yes he could because his brother Ravana was able to lift Kailasa mountain.
But adiyen feel big difference in this Analogy
It is because of Bhakthi Bhalam of Vibheeshana not just physical bhalam.
If we remember Garuda swamy was not able to lift a single finger if Sriman NArAyaNa. Once bhakthi bhAvam became on top Garuda Swamy was able to lift.
This includes Hanuman Swamy lifting Sanjeevani.
But Krishna lifting Govardhana Giri is nothing when compared to his bhakthAs lifting the heavy weights.
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I am very much touched by the humbleness of Kambandasan swami and Udayavar swami. May Narayanan bless everyone of us.
adiyen
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Srimate Ramanujaye namaha!
Dhanyosmi swami heard enapani 691. Swami said we should try to help others by telling what is right – but with deep politeness and patience and also with the knowledge that we are an instrument of God and the end good result is for Bhagawaan and the other person is Bhagawaan’s property ( not my friend or enemy)
With this understanding if we attempt, we will be detached and not frustrated.
Dhanyosmi.
Adiyen
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