Dear Velukkudi swami,
Most of the top richest persons got divorced, with Bill Gates the latest.
What is the summary to learn? What could be the general reason for their divorces, given the persons are so rich.
Adiyen
Namaskaram Swami,
Please listen to Enpani 294, 419. As Swami has said in multiple upanyasams, if the couple understands the true purpose of marriage, which is serving the Bhagavan and his Bhagavatas, and not for self-enjoyment, divorce, and many issues will disappear. Koorathalwar, broke the negative impact of dosam that Andal had by clarifying and living this true purpose.
adiyen,
Ramanuja dasan.
adiyen believe that we should certainly care as it sets a wrong example to common people and derails the foundations of Sanatana dharma. so whatever in our capability, we can do we should try to pass on the message of true purpose of marriage to the younger generation that will avoid this is in the future. adiyen’s nephew went through a similar situation influenced by these high-profile divorces and they are also pretty rich young educated god worshiping couple. We went through a rough patch recently, which could’ve been avoided but adiyen realized it so late.
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Namaskaram Swami’s,
There is a concept called “Yathercheya SUkritham” that Vishista Advaita Poorvacharyas has said which adiyen has heard in Velukkudi Swami’s upanyasams.
What it means is, “a human receiving accidental blessings from BHagavAN Sriman Narayana even though their action was NOT with an intention to do a Punya karma or a Kainkaryam knowingly” from Velukkudi Swami’s upanyasams as:
என் ஊரை சொன்னாய்,
என் பேரை சொன்னாய்,
என் அடியார்க்கு நிழல் குடுத்தாய்
etc….
Meaning:
So one receives Yathercheya SUkritham for all such actions done. So these Materialistic persons grow more due to their PUnya karma increasing accidentally, because one or the other way, their developments are being utilized by a SriVaishnava knowingly or unknowlingly.
In the above list, there is a Materialistic developer whose name is missed but he is not divorced but he has received Yathercheya SUkritham from SriKRishna before he died. His name is Steve Jobs (Apple Owner).
Before he started a company, he was very poor and struggled in his life, but after having SriKrishna Prasadham knowingly or unkowingly, his life changed due to SriKRishna’s blessings due to Yathercheya SUkritham.
You can read or listen his full speech in this link, but a small portion from his speech for the Yathercheya SUkritham section as follows.
I didn’t have a dorm room, so I slept on the floor in friends’ rooms, I returned Coke bottles for the 5¢ deposits to buy food with, and I would walk the 7 miles across town every Sunday night to get one good meal a week at the Hare Krishna temple. I loved it. And much of what I stumbled into by following my curiosity and intuition turned out to be priceless later on.
Text of Steve Jobs’ Commencement address (2005) (stanford.edu)
Steve Jobs’ 2005 Stanford Commencement Address – YouTube
So these Materialistic developers either married or divorced doesn’t matter?, once their credit (punya karma) hits rock bottom, then they will face the hardships and come to Sharnagathy on BHagavAN Sriman Narayana Lotus feet on this Janma or some Janma, since Punya KArma or Paapa Karma doens’t lead to Moksham, just BHagavAN krupai Leads to MOksham.
FDI,
Other REAL TIME examples in our period:
Why Adiyen picked these two real time examples are to show how one can be Odd or Naasthika in their life, still can get Perumal blessings if they do any action accidentally that is in favour of BhagavAn and HIS devotees, though their actual intention was not to accomplish a good dharmik deed.
This Yathercheya SUkritham leads one to increase punya karmas, so the idea of BHagavAN is that, it will help them to reduce their further paapa actions, so that at some point they also become devotees of Permual by doing SHarnagathy.
Todays’ Aasthika’s (Thesist) are either past Naaasthikaas (Athesist) or Materialistic enjoyers.
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.
Namaskaram swami,
Amazing explanation ElayaAlwar swami. Beautifully explained the “yadruchaya sukrutam” concept.
This is the answer adiyen was looking for as specific reason. Could not correlate or come up with “yadruchaya sukrutam” concept for these divorces due to adiyen’s agnyanam.
Would like to discuss more on these fine aspects (Vignyanam) in this forum apart from ritualistic doubts.
Thank you all.
Adiyen
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Namaskaram Ram2000 BhagavAta,
Regarding the LIVE incidents of Perumal’s Yathercheya SUkritham, as mentioned above about these two persons, additionally their life ending story can be classified into two categories 1) Paragatha Sweekaryam, 2) Swagatha Sweekaryam, relating to Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami’s upanyasam. If we just listen and don’t try to correlate the upanyasams with LIVE examples, then it will be very tough to REMEMBER SWAMI’S UPANYASAMS IN OUR MEMORY. So to help out all devotees, adiyen will share with pictures, so our memory gets strong.
1) Paragatha Sweekaryam: means BhagavAn coming towards us to bless us and take to Moksham without we going and holding HIS lotus feet.
Like SriRama during HIS exile went and blessed Guhan. This type us 100% successful for Kainkaryam and Moksham, since Guhan didnot make any effort or struggled to get SriRama’s blessing.
2) Swagatha Sweekaryam: means, we going and doing Sharanagathy at BhagavAn lotus feet, which will succeed only after lot of struggle.
Like, Vibhishana Azhvan when flew from SriLanka to do Sharagathy on SriRama’s lotus feet, He was stopped by Sugreeva as He thought, it was some cunning plan of Ravana to kill SriRama. So there we lot of arguments, testimonies that happened for hours between Sugreeva, SriRama and other subordinate’s, before they could understand the true good nature of Vibhishana Azhvan and accept Him as a surrendered devotee.
Now LIVE examples as said in thread above:
1) Paragatha Sweekaryam: Karunanidhi ex-CM with video link above where Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami self went to Tamizh Maanaadu to bless and change Karunanidhi mind and the people around him through Swami’s powerful and lucid speech, due to which Karunanadhi took Swami Ramanujar tv serial and people chanted Ramanuja noorAndhadhi before his demise. Many half knowledge SriVaishnavaa didn’t like these happenings, since they saw Karunanidhi as an Atheist (his past life and not the transformed life after Swami’s blessings). This is like many didnot understand SriRama is BhagavAn NarayanA Himself and they thought HIM as human. Same way many think Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami as another SriVaishnava devotee without knowing Velukkudi Swami is RamanujAr Himself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenewsminute.com/article/video-vedic-chants-atheist-karunanidhis-home-tirumala-tv-buys-ramanuja-show-37454%3famp
Velukkudi Swami blessing Karunanidhi
2) Swagatha Sweekaryam: Kamalahaasan going to AcharyAn Swami Vaanamaamalai JeeyAr Swami mutt for a different movie shooting purpose, to get permission from AcharyAn Swami. The interesting part is, Kamalahaasan is in Swaroopam and Sitting on ground with obedience and AcharyAn above him on Gyana peedam. Here, AcharyA is pleased with Kamalahaasan visit as we can see in Acharyas smile, since Kamalahaasan seems humble with panivu infrontvof AcharyA. Perumal gives Moksham in same Janma to such persons as well due to the “Panchomopaya Margham” 5th method concept to reach Moksha also called as “Acharya Abhimaaname Uddharakam” since the AcharyAr is Swami Ramanujar Sambhandha AcharyAr.
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So the moral of these LIVE examples imply that we definitely get Moksham and Nithya Kainkaryam in same Janma due to Swami Ramanujar Sambhandha, when one of the Atheist already got transformed and reached Moksha and another Atheist is in pipeline to reach Moksha in same Janma.
If anyone including senior devotees and speakers have any doubht in these LIVE stories, then adiyen have more examples that adiyen can pull from Adiyen’s memory with AcharyA ThiruvAdi Bhalam, if needed.
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.
Appo enna venalum pannittu Udayavar sambandham irundha repair agidalam nu sollungo. Idhu nanna irukkey!
Idhu theriyama ithana naal nallavana irukka try panniteney? 🤔
Jollya irundhirukkalam Pola irukkey!
AjAmilam is an example or exception?
Dasanudasan
ElayaAlwar swamy,
It is quite interesting to note the following:
Perumal gives Moksham in same Janma to such persons”
when one of the Atheist already got transformed and reached Moksha and another Atheist is in pipeline to reach Moksha in same Janma.
The acharya’s attend many functions / programs, gives upanyasams etc., Many uninitiated persons will be attending them. Moreover, during initiation (pancha samsakaram) of one person, several of his / her family members and relatives are also present (including uninitiated), giving due respect to the acharya.
If someone can sit in front of an acharya once with respect and get motcham without getting initiated and without following any practice, then many people who have not taken up the system through pancha samsakaram would get motcham. In such case, the number of uninitiated persons getting motcham will be much larger than the initiated persons. This becomes highly attractive, since one need not follow any practices prescribed and require only sitting before an acharya once.
This gives an impression that those who are initiated need not follow any prescribed practices such as worship, applying thiruman, ahara niyamam, chanting guru parampara slokas etc., This implies initiated person, just like other uninitiated person can do anything and still get motcham. Is there any mention in Srivaishnavism philosophy, advising to just sit with respect in front of an acharya only once to get motcham.
adiyen
SriVaishnava dasan
Why are we not talking about poor people getting dirvorced?
See, even we are interested only in rich people getting dirvorced.
We call it Dharma Sandeha?
Dasanudasan
If the question “Money is there” why then divorce?
Then logical. Money is not everything. A human relationship is between emotions.
The same Bill Gates said “I love my daughter discovering the world” when she was a baby.
A love married couple put the quote
“Irandu manangal kalandha piragu naalu vedam epadi pirikkum?”
My question: When did Vedam separate you?
Pidichirukku kalyanam panninta apuram vedathai edharkku vambukku izhukkara?
But Point correct dhaney.
Living closely inter-caste is better than getting divorced as brahmins correct?
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
The better way to look at these events of Karunanidhi already in Moksham and Kamalahaasan in pipeline for Moksham, is to look things from BhagavAn’s view point, since HE is the ONLY OWNER, who needs HIS Sotthu (Property “all the JeevAthmas”) and other JeevAthmas are not our property. Shishupalan was given Moksham by SriKrishna. So when we reach reach Moksham, Shishupalan, Karunanidhi etc….. already are given BhagavAn’s Swaroopam with those 8 Divine qualities. So
Shishupalan and Karunanidhi mutually say “Adiyen Dasan” to us due to ONLY “SUDDHA SATVAM” in SriVaikuntam, since their Prakrutha Sthoola shareeram that had rajo/tamo guns was already shredded 100% in virajai Nadhi and we cannot even identify if that particular JeevAthma was Shishupalan or Karunanidhi while on Earth. All these differences and protracted questions arise because of our Body and Ahma still covered with Rajo/Tamo gunas and Prakruthi Sambhandham, which is understandable.
Moreover Initiation or Prapatthi or any other synonym words are NOT UPAYAM(MEANS) to Moksham, since BhagavAn is the ONLY UPAYAM to Moksham as per Poor Acharyas Rahasya granthams, which makes no surprise as why Shishupalan and Karunanidhi got Moksham.
Now, the question that arises in a beginner level devotees mind will be, ” so why do we need to do initiation or Prapatthi?”.
Ans: That’s because for “BhagavAt Preetharrtham and Kainkaryam”, since we are MADE AWARE what BhagavAn likes. so we do all things that BhagavAn likes (Ishtam Seikai) like Prapatthi, AcharyA Kainkaryam, BhagavAt/ BhagavAta Kainkaryam etc… and don’t do what BhagavAn don’t like (Anishtam Thavirkkai) in rest of life, which is also much easier to do and makes us fell JUBILANT all the time.
However, in initial stages one comes to do Prapatthi with a motto of “RELIEF FROM SUFFERINGS” and not with an intention OF ACTUAL mindset for KAINKARYAM, so even after Prapatthi, they have all these doubhts till they get to the understanding that Prapatthi is only for BhagavAt Preetharrtham and NOT AN ‘UPAYAM (MEANS) to Moksham, since Poorachsryas have said in Rahasya Granthams that :
பேற்றுக்கு உபாயம் நின் பேர் அருளே
பேற்றுக்கு : For Moksham/SriVaikuntam,
உபாயம் : Vazhi/Means/Path
நின் : YOUR (BhagavAn’s),
பேர் அருளே : Nirheduksi Krupai (Causeless Mercy),
So where it is said Prapatthi/ Initiation is means to Moksham, it’s only BhagavAn’s Krupai, and HE can shower on any of HIS Sotthu, and HE don’t need permission from anyone. This type of BhagavAn’s Nature (Kalyana gunam/Divine quality) is called as
“NirAnkusa Swathantriyam”
( Incontrollable Independence)
Due to which we are also getting Moksham.
How?
If BhagavAn start rolling back our past karma’s in this Janma or few Janmas back, say if our names as an example: Jayaram or Sivanand or Vikram or Bala (ElayaAlwar),
and BhagavAn say to us as:
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“Hey buddies, your past Janmas history is terrible than Shishupalan or Karunanidhi, Do you want ME to give a sample of what you did in the past Janmas….may be you don’t want to hear it………ok, I understand because you already did what I like which is getting “Swami Ramanuja Sambhandham” by doing Prapatthi which is one of the 18 ways for Moksham. Karunanidhi got Ramanuja Sambhandham through one among the other 18 ways for Moksham……..so you all prapannaas can keep continuing to do all the things that I like in rest of the life, and I will worry about whom to give Moksham and how to give Moksham like the method that I have developed as above said “Yatherchaya Sukritham”….By the way, I (BhagavAn) want to inform additionally and add to the above list:
1) Ex-CM MGR got ‘Yatherchaya Sukritham’ due to his humble support and attending the inauguration of Srirangam Gopura Kainkaryam of the Great Ahobiila Azghagiya Singhar AcharyAr Swami, and MGR is with me now doing Kainkaryam in SriVaikuntam.
2) Next actor Vijayakanth is in pipeline for Moksham by ‘Yatherchaya Sukritham’ method, since he supported present SriVilliputhur Jeeyar Swami during the Andal incident created by the demeaning cinema poet.
So no worries, you all Prapannaas will definitely get 100% Moksham in this Janma due to Swami Ramanuja Direct Sambhandham due to Prapatthi. At the same time I also have to give Moksham in smaller scale to those % of people who got Yatherchaya Sukritham.
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Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.
Typo error as “Poor Acharyas”. It’s “PoorvAcharyas”. ‘v’ was missing. Sorry about that..