Relating ‘MOVIE’ songs to ‘SPIRITUAL’ words in Practical World

Updated on June 18, 2018 in General
7 on May 12, 2018

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

 

Madhippukkuriya Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigaley Sharanam,

 

Swami,

Adiyen was thinking about materialistic songs that we come across, even though we cannot avoid in public places. Once up on a time, when “Adiyen (Athma)” was in “I (Manasu/Body/Udal)” state of thinking without Athma Gyanam, “I” used to enjoy some movie songs.

Most young Kids/Adults listen to movie songs, but immediate Athma GyanAm for those Kids requires some comparison of Practical seen situations to Vaidheham to some extent.

One such example is, picking some decent worded materialistic songs and relate the high level meanings of Divine songs (prabhndhams). Otherwise, they just stay away from spiritualism, but not necessary all of them. Such comparisons are like “Slow release dosage tablets” before such kids gets into track. But some matured young kids maynot need such comparisons as they may not need it, since they are born with elite thinking by birth already.

After Hearing Devareer Upanayasams for prolonged period, adiyen or other Bhaktas don’t focus on movie songs, but if we happen to come across some movie songs playing in unavoidable situations like when we walk in streets or travel in bus, then our approach to the same movie songs has changed into spiritualistic thinking and we relate the words in the song and think about BhagavAn from Devareer pravachanams as below. Adiyen doesnot focussing on the actual movie song visuals, but just the song words only.

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A) SONG1 from Padikkadhavan movie:

Imagine as Perumal Singing to HIS Wife SriLakshmi “Painfully” about their Children (Jeevas) betrayed HIM for many long Janmas.

“Oora Therunchikittaen Ulagam Purinchikittaen, Kanmani yen kanmani,

Gyanam Porandhirichu, naalum purichirichu yen kanmani yen kanmani,

Patchai kuzhandhainnu Paal ooti valarthen, Paalai kudichikittu Paambhaaga yennai kotthuthadi, yen kanmani yen kanmani….”

ஊற தெரிஞ்சிகிட்டேன் உலகம் புரிஞ்சிக்கிட்டேன், கண்மணி என் கண்மணி,

ஞானம் பொறந்திருச்சு, நாலும் புரிச்சிருச்சு, கண்மணி என் கண்மணி ,

பச்சை குழந்தைன்னு பால் ஊட்டி வளர்த்தேன், பாலை குடிச்சிகிட்டு பாம்பாக என்னை கொத்துதடி, கண்மணி என் கண்மணி .

 

There is a sequence that Swami Says, when Acharya Swami Parasara Bhattar was looking at Perumal wet dress during Thirumanjanam, as why preumal is in “Eera Aadai (wet cloth)? Parasa Bhattar Swami’s mind conversation as below:

Perumal says to HIS child, Naan unakku Appa. I gave Shastars, i gave you Udal, I gave you home to live, i gave to food to eat, i gave to palce to live. You are using the same body against me and talking Nashtikam (Atheism).

Perumal says, You are mine (Ahamey)

We say, No i’m Mine (Tvammey), Why i’m yours?

Perumal say, Beacuse I’m the Supreme and all are my properties.

We say, Where does it say, You are supreme

Perumal says, I have given Shastras and Vedas,

We say, many others also say, many different devatas are supreme, so i cannot follow shastras

Perumal says, I gave Shastras for you to follow and reach Me.

We say, Only Gyanis who can read shastras and undersatnd it can follow, not me.

Perumal says, Ok, I give you Alwars. Do Sneha Bhakthi like them and reach Me.

We say, Alwars are your side people, so they will only talk on your side. They don’t understand our kashtam (suferings).

Perumal says, Ok, i will give you Acharyas, who looks likes a human like you, and they also suffer like how you suffer in this samsaram. Catch hold of them and reach Me,

We say, if they also suffer like us, then why we should catch hold of them.

Perumal in MInds thinks, if I say, I’m ParamAthma and catch hod of Me, then Jeevas say, You are different catergory (ViJaathi), so we are afraid of you. If I give Acharyas (Elited Jeevas SwaJaathi, same category as ours), then we say, Acharyas are like us who suffer in samsaram, so why to catch hold of their feet.

So, PErumal GOT REALLY TIRED looking at JeevAThmas PING-PONG talking and actions, So finally HE removed all HIS alangaram, dress and wore wet clothes and said, “Sathyam Sathyam Punar Sathyam…… I’m THE supreme GOD, you all are my children and I don’t know what else to say, and PErumal Keeps waiting to see that we fix oursleves and catch hold of Acharyans Lotus feet and reach HIM finally.

 

Yennayum Marandhu, Eshwaranayum marandhu, Eshwara Kainkaryatthayum marandhu, Ezhandhaom yengira izhavuminnike, samsaram yengira perum kadalilaey kidandhu novu pattu kondu irukkiroam

Yennayum marandhu means I forgot that I’m Athma (Adimai to Supreme Master).

Eshwaranaum marandhu means, I forgot about the Supreme Master Sriman NarayanaAn.

Then I forgot Eshwara Kainkaryam.

I forgot all these three, and still we live very happliy that “Ezhandoam yengira izhavumikke”. This is our life for many janmas and still we are continuing in this sorrow Samsaram. PErumal Kannil namma nilamai paarthaal kanneer varigiradhu. These arthams can be related to the song.

 

Oora Therunchikittaen Ulagam Purinchikittaen : BhagavAN sings, HE understood about Ooru (Chit Jeevathmas behaviour), Ulagam (samsaram’s nature)

Kanmani yen Kanmani : Perumal sings to HIS beloved Wife Sri Lakshmi about their Kids situation in Samsaram.

Gyanam Porandhirichu : Perumal finally understood about Jeevas behaviour in Samsaram. Everytime, HE takes avatars to help the Jeevas, they behave odd/disrespct HIM during HIS avatar. LIke Shishupaalan, Raavan, Dhuryodhanan, any recent Nasthikaas etc….

naalum purichirichu : BhagavAn understood about the four things (Naalum) of Jeevas behaviour. We said to Bhagavn as abaove “1) I’m mine and not yours, 2) I don’t read shastras as i don’t undersatnd, 3) Alwars are your side people, so i cannot follow, then 4) Acharyas look like us and suffer in samsaram, so cannot follow.

Kanmani yen Kanmani …..

Patchai kuzhandhainnu Paal ooti valarthen : I treated all my Babies (Jeevas) equally by giving Milk (Shastras, hands, mouth, food , a palce to live etc..),

Paalai kudichikittu Paambhaaga yennai kotthuthadi : but the Jeevas used all my properties (drank the milk) like Shastars, nature, food, hands and mouth and finally talked ILL about me ‘Atheism (NAsthikam)’ and yennai Kuttram Solgiraan.

Kanmani yen Kanmani …..

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Next Step:

B) SONG2 from Sivakasi movie:

Imagine as JeevAthmas Singing about Thayar, when Thayar SitaPiratti suffered in Lanka.

Yen Deivatthukke Maaru vaeshama, Yen Maharaanikke Ingu Yezhai Vaeshama……

என் தெய்வத்துக்கே மாறு வேஷமா , என் மஹாராணிக்கே இங்கு ஏழை வேஷமா

 

Yen Devaimam : Thayar Sita Piratti is Jagath/LOka Maatha for both Samasaram and Sri Vaikuntam. SHE is the Queen of Queen of Queen of infinity and reside in SriVaikuntam.

Maaru Vaeshama : A Queen after descending to samsaram, faced the hardships and went to Vanavaasam with kaavi robes with no alangaram, just to save Her children from samsaram. In the forest, Anasooya looking at Sita Devi’s costumes and appearance had tears flowing down, and she dressed up Sita Piratti in forest and made her look like a Queen. “Thaai Koolam Seidheno Anasooyayai Pole, தாய் கோலம் செய்தேனோ அனசூயையை போலெ”.

Finally, those Jeevas (Children) seeing their own Nithya Maatha Sita Piratti (Sri Maha Lakshmi) suffering in Samsaram, they realized their mistakes and surrender to Thayar-Perumal at some Janma to save (Serve) the Divya Dhampadhis for life-long.

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Next Step:

C) SONG3 from Muthu movie:

Imagine as JeevAthmas Singing about Perumal’s (our Divine Nithya Pitha’s) Supremacy status in Shastras.

“Oruvan Oruvan Mudhalaali, Mattravan Yellam Thozhilaali,

Vidhiyai Ninaippavan Yaemaali, Adhai Ventru Mudippavan Arivaali…”

ஒருவன் ஒருவன் முதலாளி, மற்றவன் எல்லாம் தொழிலாளி,

விதியை நினைப்பவன் ஏமாளி, அதை வென்று முடிப்பவன் அறிவாளி

 

Oruvan Oruvan Mudhlaali : That is our ONE-and-ONLY Master (Mudhalaali) Sriman NarayanAn (ParamAthama). Aham Yeva Param Tatvam.

Mattravan Yellam Thozhilaali : That is nothing but all the countless JeevAthmas (Chit, Sentient), Sheshan(Adimai/Thozhilaali) to BhagavAn.

Vidhiyai Ninaippavan Yaemaali : Vidhi (fate) is nothing about Achit (Jada Porul, Insentient). One who thinks about Achit is a fool (Yaemaali).

Adhai Ventru Mudippavan Arivaali : One who does Sharanagathy on BhagavAn’s Lotus Feet, Overcomes (Ventru) the desires towards Achit (Vidhi/Jada Porul) and they become a Shesha roopanna GyAni (Arivaali).

These include now all the Three Tatvams, Achit, Chit, paramAthma (Thatva Trayam).

“Yasya Athma shareeram, Yasya Prithvi shareeram” (Both Atham (Chit) & Prithvi (Achit) is Shareeram (Body) of MINE (ParamAthama).

One who understands the Elite Tamil Divya Prabhandhams will follow the “Uyarvara Uyar Nalam UdayavAn Yeva Avan” and “UlaneniL Ulan AvanUruvam Ivaruvagal, UlanAlan Enil, AvvuruvAm EvvuruvAgal….” from NamALwar ThiruvaimOzhi paasuram for the original meaning, but sometimes it is diffiuclt for MOST of us to understand the each elite tamil words. So in practical situation, simple tamil practical meanings are defentely understandable by kids and they can easily understand to relate to BhagavAn before getting into deep Vedanthams for interested kids.

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D) SONG4 from Kabali movie:

JeevAthmas Singing “JOYFULLY” when they see Perumal Rakshakatvam (Protection)

“Neruppuda NerunguDaa Paarppoam, Nadakkumaa Mudiyumaa”

நெருப்புடா நெருங்குடா பார்ப்போம், நடக்குமா முடியுமா

Neruppuda : nothing but our Narashima Perumal who protected Prahaladhan from Hiranya Kashibhu and HE will protect us

NerunguDaa : Daa is nothing but our “Ahakaram (thinking body is Athma) and Mahakaaram (Everything material things are Mine), and our Karmas/Vaasanaas approaching us (nearing us / Nerungutthal).

Paarppoam: we are Keep seeing our Ahankaram/Mamakaram/Karmas/Vaasanaas.

Nadakkumaa Mudiyumaa : with PErumal Rakshakatvam (Protection), we boldily face and DOn’t fear at all and we Challenge our Ahankaram/ Mamakaram/ Karmas/ Vaasanaas, by saying Can you come near me (nadakkuma), Is it possible (Mudiyuma), when I have MY Perumal’s Protection.

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Next Step:

E) SONG5 from Minnale movie:

Perumal Singing “JOYFULLY” when JeevAthmas surrender to HIM through Acharyan with Sri Lakshmi Thayar Purushakaratvam

“Vaeranna vaeranna vaendum, Oru murai sonnaal podhum, nilavayum undhan kaal midhiyaaga vaippaene. Sollavum kooda vaendaam, kann imaitthaalaey podhum, kelvigal indri uyirayum tharuvaeney….”

வேறன்ன வேறன்ன வேண்டும், ஒரு முறை சொன்னால் போதும், நிலவையும் உந்தன் கால் மீதியாக வைப்பயனே. சொல்லவும் கூட வேண்டாம், கண் இமைத்தாலேய போதும், கேள்விகள் இன்றி உயிரையும் தருவேனே….

“Oru murai” Sharanam yendru sonnaal podhum. SriRama Charama slokam, Sakrudeva Prapannaya tahvaismidhe yachathey………(one time you say Sahranam, I will clear your Karmas. Rama Dhvir Nambhi BHashathe (Raman Oru Thadava Sonnal, Maru PEtchu KIdayadhu)

“nilavayum” represents Peru Veedu (Moksham) will be granted.

“Sollavum kooda vaendaam” is not even necessary to say even one time Sharanam.

“Kann imaitthalaey podhum” just express the desire for Moksham to Serve by flickering our eyes.

“Kelvigal indri” without any questions/with no doubht due to MY NirAnkusa Swanthantriyam (non questionable independence).

Uyirayum tharuvaeney“: BhagavAn himself is the ultimate Uyir ( Parama Athma, supreme Uyir). Avar avaraye namakku kudutthu viduvaar.

Vaeranna vaeranna vaendum“: When BhagavAn gives Himself to us, what else do we ‘Jeevathmas’ need from SriKrishna, as How HE gave HIMSELF to HIS pure devotee Andal/Swami NamAlwar and all Alwars pure devotee is Swami UdayavAr and Udayavar’s pure devotees are all Asmadh Acharyas/Mahans like our Sri Velukkudi Swami and inturn we ALL are their pure devotees.

So “Kaiyil Nellikani (Amla Fruit in Hands)” is Swamis Lotus Feet is PeruVeedu for us, why search for “How to reach Moksham and who to catch hold of to get Moksham”.

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LIke in olden times, Sanskrit was there for BhagavAt anubhavam, but many couldnot follow Sanskrit. So Tamil Divya Prabhandhams (Divine Tamil songs) were given by ALwars of that period. Now, even those ALwar tamil is not understandable by many except few knowledgable persons, since present practical world is full of more simple tamil.

In practical world, many of us (kids/adults) may not know elite Tamil language words, except knowledgeable persons can understand it. For simple BhagavAt anubhavam, this is how one can relate in this practical world. But, the CORE Authentic SHRAVANAM is ALWAYS needed to interpret any materialistic things into Spiritualism. So, lets all continue BhagavAt Vishaya Shravanam from Swami’s/Acharyas upanyasams.

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Yaettra kalangal Yethir Pongi Meedhu Alippa………………

Alwar/Acharyargal Vyakyanatthai, Devareer Upanyasatthil irundhu yedutthu, arthatthai cinema paadalukkul pogutthiya adiyenai shamikka prarthikkiraen.

Sarve Janaha Sukhino Bhavanthu,

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu

 
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Namaskaram
Well said bhaktha , even adiyal at times used to relate movie songs with spirituality. That too present generation kids need those songs to corelate it with spirituality and enter the spiritual world.

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Adiyen swami
Adiyen also compare when have to hear songs.. just close the eyes and think Radhe and Krishna are dancing for those love songs
Sarvam sri krishnarpanamasthu
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami thiruvadigale saranam

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen used to think the “varnanai” or “description” on the lover or the lady can be used for “ThAyAr”. Poyum poyum indha azhugi pora udambukku kudukkura vArthaigal nirantharamana thAyar mEla potrundha puNyam undu.

The boy says the “I will die for you”
Arpa mAnida padhare oru ponnukkAga uyira udura nee, thAyar perumALukkAga uyira thyAgam pannina MOksham undu.

Seri thAyAr perumALukkAga uda vEndAm, uyir kudutha amma appa kkaga jeevikkalAm illaiyA?

Enna love vEndi kadakku?

Upto 20 years you need parents then you are on your own. Due to kids like these nowadays parents have become selfish.

I will eat on my daughter’s salary. Let me first enjoy then give to my boy. Why should I sacrifice for my kids? What will they give in return?

Iyengar or Iyer who cares as long it’s a boy & a girl.

What sastram what sampradhAyam what EkAdeshi vratham?

So adiyen very clear, while seeing cinema or songs won’t mix with Perumal because standards have come down in cinema

Every movie has a drinking scene.

Every SMS has a RUMMY message.

It tests your patience like anything. Kudicha enna? Sometimes we may think what will happen if I drink?

What if I like the paTaTOpam? What if I dance with ladies in disco? Why should I not have big big office like TVS and yet call myself Iyengar vadakalai?

It will lead to spot where “Nothing is wrong” as long as we don’t feel “guilty” nothing is wrong.

Adhukku I may commit suicide instead of compromising on morals.

One drop of poison in milk is enough to make milk venomous.

Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy used to say ” You don’t need thousand year of lamp brightness to illuminate a room which was under 1000 year darkness”

Similarly ” it’s not easy to earn good name even after years and it needs a second to break the good name”.

Don’t know if this post made sense but this is adiyen’s thought process on modern day entertainment.

Dasanudasan

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Then one more thing let’s not talk about stupid Vairamuthu and his songs then this Dharma Sandeha forum will not make sense to anyone.

Let’s not mix cinema in spirituality
Dasanudasan

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Actually this is NOT the first time we are discussing on such topics.

Ananta Padmanabhachariyar Swamy told “KAlidAs is a good Kavi” no doubt but kavithaigal is NOT worth because of just “SRINGARA RASAM”. AchAryas users to say “anything not related to PerumAl is WASTE”.

So poetry by kAlidAs is waste even if it’s of highest order unless it’s on kAli or PerumAL or spirituality.

Even abhirami andhAdhi is good. It describes AmbAl’s Azhagu.

Vaarkartha viva sampruthow

Words & meanings should be united
Words should be his thirunAmam
Meaning should be HIM

Sriman NArAyanA

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen got faith on Sri Raghavendra after seeing Rajini’s movie there is no doubt about it.

Used to cry for last song “AzhaikirAn mAdhavan” . AchAryan going down into Earth.

Till today adiyen don’t have guts to visit my AchAryan’s Brindavanam

Similarly my mother used to cry when sitA pirAtti used to go into Earth.

Its rare to see such movies today. In fact there are no morals today.

Velukkudi Swamy repeatedly telling no “Moral” class in schools.

My mother used to study moral class.period in schools.

Today “NON REFUNDABLE DONATIONS” and we expect morals from schools?

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Srimadh Vara Vara Munaye Namaha,

 

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha, 

 

Adiyen also heard in one of Karunakaracharya’s Swami’s pravachanams in morning TV, about Swami touchbasing the Endhiran tamil movie long time before.

Karunakaracharya Swami’s grandson or some kid in His family, forced Swami to come along with him to watch Endhiran movie. He said to Swami, yeppa paarthaalum BhagavAt Gita mattum sollreenga, vaanga padatthukku pogalaam.

 

Swami said, vaendaam daa. 

Vaanga thaattha (grandpa) padathukku pogalaam.

Sari, un santhoshatthukkaaga pogalaam, vaa.

After movie, the kid asked, thaatha padam yeppadi?

 

Swami said, climax’la BhagavAt Gitai karutthai nalla solli irukkaanga.

Grandson was shocked, yedhu? BhagavAt Gitaya? Padatthula yeanga BhagavAt Gitai sonnaanga?

 

Swami said, the good scientist who created the robo “Chitti” inputted Rig veda etc.. database to the Robo, and made the Robo do good actions. Another bad scientist Dr. Boro inputted “red chip” to the robo and made the robo do bad actions.

 

 Finally, due to the robo’s attrocities, court orders to dismantle the robo.

At that time, the robo does self dismantling its body and It says as follows:

 

“Dr Bora yenakku ullaey maatti vitta “RED CHIP” maadhiri, Manushanukku ullaey “Vanjam, Poi, Paraamai, dhrogam” yendru yeaga patta red chip maatti kondu alaigiraargal. Adhai avalavu Easy’a avangalaalaey kazhattida mudiyaadhu paarunga”.

 

Swami said, “Namakku ullaey irukkira red chip dhaan, nammudaya Rajo gunam (kaama, krodha, lobha, matha, maatsarya). Adhai nammal vilakka mudiyaadhu. Sri Krishnan Thiruvadigalaey SHARANAM yendru sonnal (Sarva Dharmaan Parithyetcha…), BhagavAnaal mattum dhaan vilakka mudiyum”.

 

Adhunaalaey dhaan climax’la SriKrishnar sonna BhagavAt Gitayail irundha vishayatthai solli irunkkaangannu sonnaen.

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If anyone is not clear about the actual discusion, they can call Karunakaraya’s phone number just incase, which one of the bhagavAta mentioned in pancha samskaram thread.

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This type of correlating thinking is same situation with all of us, as other bhagavatas has mentioned in this thread. With prolonged SHRAVANAM on Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s pravachanams, we are able to relate each and everything that we see and hear in this practical world to Vaidheham.

 

Long LIVE SriKrishna’s Sanatana Dharmam.

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan, 

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi, 

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham. 

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu. 

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