Namaskaram,
It is said that sanadhana dharmam has six Sampradayams. Based on the schools of philosophies, classification is done as advaita, dvaita, vishishtadvaita and so on.
Whether these Sampradayams and schools of philosophies are connected (any interlinking) in any way? or they are no connection at all. How they are related?.
adiyen
SriVaishnava dasan
Swamy, all sampradayams originated from sriman narayana. All vishistadvaita, dvaita, advaita have sriman narayana as their first acharya in their guru parampara. Thus, all philosophers are connected by their very first acharya sriman narayana 🙏🙏🙏
Another way to look at it is, all schools of philosophies under the bigger umbrella of ‘sanatana dharma’ and follwers of Vedas – they are connected by the link that they are followers of vedas.
Different schools focus on different aspects of the vedic texts for their interpretation. Emperumanaar has studied all the entire vedic texts and all schools of philosophies, and presents his comprehensive conclusions in Sri Bhasyam.
adiyen dasan.
Swamy,
Thank you.
It is stated that there are six classification of worship based on Devatas ( viz., 1. Vaishnava – Worship Vishnu (ParamAthma, Supreme Devata), 2. Saiva – Worship Shiva, 3. Sakta – Worship Shakthi, 4. Ganapatya – Worship Ganapathi, 5. Saura – Worship Surya and 6. Kaumara – Worship Muruga).
My query is to know whether these six classification of worship are in anyway inter related with vishistadvaita, dvaita, advaita?. If so, how they are related and which one will come under which category?.
adiyen
Sorry, swamy! I have not heard an explaination of these different aproaches from any of our acharyas. I hope some member in this forum will be able to shed some light.
adiyen dasan.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Adiyen heard Andavan Swamy Srimushnam Srimath Rangaramanuja Mahadesika Swamy quoting “SkAnda PurANam has reference of Vishnu Bhakthi”.
Adiyen heard it in person as well & one YouTube video is still there
Andavan says, “It’s like Swamy Desikan pulled opposition’s own point and defeated them”
Common points: “Srivaishnavam”, “SamAshrayanam”, “Urdhva Pundram” etc
The context might differ but hope this answers the linking question.
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
இந்த சமாஷ்ரயணதை பற்றி விஷ்ணு புராணத்தில் சொல்லவில்லை, அல்லது பாகவதத்தில் சொல்லவில்லை, ஸ்கந்த புராணத்தில் சொல்லி இருக்கிறது – ஶ்ரீமத் ஆண்டவன்
12:11 audio timeline listen
Dasanudasan
Srimate Raamanujaye NAmaha,
Swamy, I quote below few paras from the explanation of Raamanuja nootrandhi (for verse 46 in Sadagoppan .org)
“The six darsanams that NammAzhwAr refers to here have been counted in number of ways to add up to a total of Six: (1) The six religions listed by AchArya RaamAnujA are Bhouddham, ChArvAkam, NaiyAyka-VaisEshikams of GouthamA, Jainam, Saankhyam and Yogam. These six are also known as Saakhya, ulUkhya, AkshapAtha,KshapaNa, Kapila and Pathanjali darsanams based on the people, who developed them or wrote commentaries.
(2) In another counting, these six are recognized as Saankhyam, Yogam, Bhouddham, VaisEshikam, Jainam and Paasupatham.
(3) In yet another counting, these six are: ChArvAkam, Jainam and four types of Bhouddham (VaibhAshikam and SautrAntikam of HeenayAnam and yOgAchAram and nihilism of MahAyAnam sects).
The various darsanams listed above fall into the categories of Naasthika and Aasthika darsanams. The Naasthika darsanams like ChArvAkam (materialistic 141 sadagopan.org atheism), Buddhism and Jainism are systems of thought that do not accept the authority of the VedAs and deny the tattvams such as Soul (Jevan) and God (Isvaran), which Aasthika mathams accept as fundamental to their beliefs. Naasthika mathams are called Veda Baahya mathams and the Aasthika Mathams are saluted as Vaidhika Mathams.”
So there are few variations of what these 6 are.. as you have also indicated a set of 6 above.
Also within each religion, different versions of dwaita, adavaita or vishishadaviata are followed. For example In Shaivism there are certain sects with advaita focus and some very similar to visishta adawaitam. In Vaishnavism also same.. but in Vaishnavism predominantly it is visishta adwaitam.
Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan
Swamy,
Thank you for your reply.
Further under Aasthika darsanams, there are six more categories viz., Sankhya, Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Mimamsa and Vedanta.
So there appears to be many variations. Hence, I thought I will get the clarification and posted. I do not know why there are so many. All the philosophies could have been classified under several names under the headings Naasthika and Aasthika darsanams, which would have simplified and given better understanding.
adiyen
“Shaivism there are certain sects with advaita focus” – enpanifan
Wondering if advaita philosophy is formless and attributeless, then whether logically some sect of Shaivism or Vaishnavism, as indicated, can come under that belief. Lingam is also a form.
adiyen
Swamy,
Yes your question is valid and true and i personally dont understand Advaita fully. But even in adavitam they worship a diety with form.
What i have heard is adwaita system use such worship of dieties as a means to focus or concentrate and then eventually when they are liberated , such worship is not required.
I dont understand the concept fully , yes strictly speaking Shaivism or Vaishnavism cannot be based on advaita philosphy. but there are some branches where simultaneous worship of a diety and advaitam is also followed. It is much beyond my comprehension. So did not explore further.
Adiyen
Dasan.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
It’s wrong Swamy
All three are rooted from Veda and our Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy has agreed that all 3 speak NArAyaNA. These are schools of thoughts.
We have YouTube video
Advaita thappu, VishistAdvaitam correct nu yarum sollala, vantage point therory (Sorry for bringing an English term ippo appadi sonna dhan madhikkara).
Parkarava pArvaya poruthu irukku.
The Khandanam also questions certain perception of the Advaita school like
“Duality Dosham” (Dwitheeya Dosham) assigning levels to Brahmam like Nirguna is greater than saguNa.
We have to have corrected views in our SanAthana Dharmam
That’s it
Dasanudasan
Thank you swamy.
adiyen have only mentioned about the various sampradayams or school of thoughts and tried to understand why a simplified classification of all of them are not available, may be based, probably on Naasthika and Aasthika darsanams.
adiyen has not brought about the supremacy of various sampradayams or school of thoughts.
adiyen
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadugaley Sharanam
Sri:
Some learned Vidhushi told “Sri SadAshiva Brahmendra Swamy has sung about aNAma, aroopa Brahmam”
Adiyen say “Brahmam” itself a “name”. So to denote a aNAmika we require a nAma. AnAmika itself a nAma. Sounds like a paradox. This is real advaitam.
Brahmam has to have a name and shape. Blemishless shape and name.
Nirmalam=NirguNam
There is no malam.
NirguNam doesn’t mean no GuNam at all. It means no bad GuNams.
The main crux of vishistAdvaitam is Perumal being a Sath Chith Ananda Brahmam cannot be void.
What is Sath? Isn’t it an attribute?
What is Chith? isn’t it an attribute?
What is Anandam? isn’t it an attribute?
Then what you call nirvisesham?
NArAyaNan dhAn Brahmam. Brahmam dhAn NArAyaNan.
Advaita Siddhantha / Shaiva siddhAntha Acharya’s sign as NArAyaNa at the end of letters, hence proved
Adiyen being Velukkudi Sishyan can talk for hours on this. Idhu kuda sollala na eppadi?
Adiyen just a beginner we have more learned people in the forum.
Idho we have Krishna Jananam
Hare Krishna
Dasanudasan
