Why in Sharabha Upanishad Lord Shiva or Lord Sharabha defeated Lord Nrsimha who is undefeated and invincible. Pls enlighten me and clear my doubt
Adiyen
Sharabeswarar is an imaginary character created by Shaivites who could not diigest the supremacy of Sri Lakshmi Narasimhan said by my late father “Thiru Thigappanar” Sri Srinivasan.
It’s usual for Maha Periyaba also to say lord Sri Venkateswara is Ambal (Amman) because of red saree adorned or other Shaivites to say Sri Venkateswara is lord Murugan because he holds the name “Bala-ji”
“Original pillai thamizh was invented by Sri PeriyAzhwar” said my father but these people will say Murugan has the pillai Tamizh.
Also I noticed:
For a ThiruppAvai
there will be an alternate
ThiruvembAvai
It’s not unusual for a grandson Shiva to imitate his grandfather Sriman Narayana
If a baby kicks grandfater’s chest grandfather will not get angry
Rest I leave it to your preference.
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Adiyen think I am a logical analytical person.
Assuming such Sharabam exists, what’s his role in Prahlada Charithram why he did not kill Hiranyakashipu ?
Why was he silent when Narada said Sriman Narayana is supreme all through mother’s womb?
So this character does not fit the story in any way
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
We Sri VaishNavites accept only SAthvika PurANams.
The whole point of being a SriVaishNavite is to be a SAthvika.
In Veda many Gods given the room for supremacy. Including Agni, Indran etc.
In fact Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy has debunked the Devi puranam etc in very old upanyasams.
Only thing is our knowledge is limited to understand those heavy concepts.
Also by getting to know distorted form of our sampradhayam by saying this is told here and that is told there will lead us to the wrong path.
Again into this birth-death cycle. Narayana will let you discover on your own. “Ok then you find out and come to me”.
Why do you think “Brigu” maharishi went on in an endeavour to find SAthvika God? Is it for timepass?
Even when lord Shiva gave Markandeya Maharishi ever 16 years boon it is said that the AntharyAmi (indweller) Sriman NarayaNa was consulted.
This AntharyAmithvam of the Brahmam Sriman Narayana is the ultimate answer to all the questions of Vishnu Maya.
By the way Sri Hari will not kill himself in his own creation.
Lord Krishna, who could not die in a fireceful Mahabharata war left to his abode just by an arrow if a hunter? He wants us to believe it?
If we were to beleive this it means Krishna Maya overpowered us and his play (Leela) of Janma (Creation) , Sthema (Sustenance), Bhangam (Destruction) worked out well for him.
This is proved by Sri RamanujaAchArya in Mangala (Invocatory) Shlokam of Brahma Sutra Sri Bhashyam.
Akhila Bhuvana Janma Sthema BhangAdhi Leeley
(All credits to my Swamy Sri Velukkudi Krishnan for decrypting this in understandable form of Adiyen)
So to trust if Sriman Narayana is supreme or not again is a test given by the same lord check our integrity.
Time and again he will keep doing this. I know by experience..
We should not fall in that trap.
I argued Buddha was one of 10 avatar it is told here and there.
Then realised after holding the lotus feets of Sri RamanujAchAryA whatever Swamy says is TRUE.
Sathyam Sathyam Puna Sathyam YathirAjO Jagath Guru:
Dasanudasan
1) “Why Sarabeshwara didn’t kill Hiranyakashipu” – The story of Jaya and Vijaya and their curse is known to all
2) We accept only Sathvika puranas – One may choose to accept the Sathvika Puranas alone, but the others cannot be discarded/debunked. All the 18 Puranas were given by Veda Vyasa (incarnation of Lord Vishnu) himself
When the Upanishads and Puranas talk about Sarabeshwara – we are bound to accept his incarnation.
The ruling deity varies based on the sampradaya we adopt to. For a Sri Vaishnavite, Sriman Narayana is the ultimate Para-brahmam and all the other deities fall under him. Similarly, for a Saivite, Lord Shiva is the ultimate Para-brahmam and all the other deities fall under him. Both are true from their own perspective as the ultimate Para-brahmam is only one.
This is the matured way of understanding things rather than denying what’s already written in Upanishads/Puranas.
If all Upanishads and Puranas are written by Sri Ved Vyas then why does Sharabha Upanishad, which is authentic as it comes in the list of 108 Upanishads mentioned in Muktika Upanishad use the word killimg for Lord Nrsimha whereas Lord Nrsimha is said to have no beginning and no end in Nrsimha Tapaniya Upanishad. Why is there such a stark contrast which is very much confusing for a newbie in spirituality like me. Ply clarify this and enlighten me
Adiyen
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
1) “Why Sarabeshwara didn’t kill Hiranyakashipu” – The story of Jaya and Vijaya and their curse is known to all
VS: So devas had no other job than to plead Vishnu? May be Devas got Dementia.
2) We accept only Sathvika puranas – One may choose to accept the Sathvika Puranas alone, but the others cannot be discarded/debunked. All the 18 Puranas were given by Veda Vyasa (incarnation of Lord Vishnu) himself
VS: Reason for puranas answered in old thread by a learnef Swamin. After reading one may question the legitimacy or applicability.
We can’t ask a military man to go and do meditation in a warfield. Every purana had a purpose. Arjuna tried and failed.
“Sriman Narayana is the ultimate Para-brahmam and all the other deities fall under him. Similarly, for a Saivite, Lord Shiva is the ultimate Para-brahmam and all the other deities fall under him. Both are true”
VS: This is the most ridiculous understanding of Sampradhayam and conflicts Ekameva Adwitheryam Chandhoya Upanishad Sath Vidhya Prakaranam.
Sriman Narayana is supreme and it was proved by greats like Shankara, RamanujAchArya, Madhwa, Manavala Mamunjgal, Swamy Desikan.
Why go that far, this decade “Seva Swamy” proved it.
If one lives in denial, one cannot help but allow to discover on own.
While perspective is not the point of debate but TRUTH IS ONE i.e. SRIMAN NARAYANA
Veda Vyas is not mental to classify Puranas by Gunas
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Why Shiva ran away from Krishna in Banasura war? May be Shiva was worried that he will lose Vishnu’s friendship? If so why did he confront Krishna in warfield in 1st place?
Why did Shiva run away from BhasmAsurA?
He did not want to kill his own devotee. So Shiva was not thoughtful while giving boon isn’t it?
That’s the problem of being Rajasic and Tamasic.
A SAthvikam God like Vishnu gives boon only when applicable.
Now we know the importance of SAthvika puranas or being SAthvikam
Being SAthvik = Assertive
We don’t belittle other Gods like Shaivites do.
When someone says
Vishnu is outwardly SAthvik and inwardly Tamasic
It is a statement of provocation
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Vaishnavite: Why did Brigu Maharishi confer title “Vishnu is the Satvhik God”?
Shaivite: Brigu got bribe from Vishnu
Deb: It is written in so and so book Brigu got bribe from Vishnu
Heran: Both may be correct from their perspective. Brigu might have received bribe or Vishnu could be SAthvik. That’s the mature way of understanding
Vik: 😕🙆🙆♀️🤔😬
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Deb Ji, as you want to become Sri VaishNavite
Now Adiyen understand your requirement
Please read this:
Chandhoya Upanishad:
सदेव सोम्येदमग्र असीदेकमेवद्वितीयम् |
If we break:
Sath Eva Somya Idham Agram Aaseeth
Ekameva Adwitheeyam Brahma
Brahman was Sath before creation
This Sath is referred everywhere. Sath + Chith + Anandam.
So, from this Sath came SAthvikam
SAthvika God is Vishnu. Vishnu is the only worthy God to be worshipped.
All other Gods can only be materialistic as they themselves are stuck in Vishnu Maya.
MaryAdA Purushottam Ram ki Jaiiiii
It’s easy to get confused because if Sri Ram is not an avatar, he is human as he himself claims to be
AthmAnAm mAnusham Manye RAmam DasharathAthmAjam
He could not have sent Jatayu to Moksham
He could not have sent the arrows to Remotely kill Samudra Rajan’s enemies while trying to build bridge Sethu.
Sri Ram wants us to get stuck into his Maya because it’s part of his Leela.
If everyone is liberated then there will be no playground for Vishnu.
If no playground for Vishnu, he cannot bless anyone and show his Karunya mercy.
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri Velukkudi Ranganathan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Why did Adi Shankara’s mother choose Sri Vaikuntam (Vishnu Dhootas) why was She afraid of Shiva’s Bootha Ganas in her death bed?
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri Velukkudi Ranganathan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Mantra Raja Pada Sthothram
Shiva praying to Narasimha
Shiva says to Narasimha “I am your servant”
“DasaBhutha”
Please check comments in English
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
The reason it’s called “mantra Raja pada sthothram” it’s Raja king 👑 to all mantras.
Ofcourse the credit goes to Shiva for praying to Vishnu and accepting his subservience and being servant to Narasimha.
May be Shiva knew he has to plead guilty to Narasimha for his Sharaba avatar 😂
One guy cooly says “We all know Jaya Vijaya story” what’s Shiva’s role in Jaya Vijaya? Just because there is something to say utter something?
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Narayana is Brahma, Shiva , Indran.
As Narayanan is Brahmam the first outcome was called Brahma.
From Brahma came Shankaran
The vice versa is not true
Shiva is not Narayana
Brahma is not Narayana
Ref: Tathparya Chandrika by Swamy Desikan
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Why when 🐘 elephant screamed
“source of everything, please save me”
Where was Shiva hiding?
Why Narayana had to come and save elephant?
So this is cooked up story?
Then entire Sharaba upanishad is cooked up story
Shaivite: See our Shiva does not come for small elephants he has oy high level talks with God’s like Vishnu & Brahma & Indran
Dasanudasan