Should we validate or surrender unconditionally?

Updated on September 3, 2022 in Avatars
11 on August 30, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Adiyen had opportunity to listen to Himalayan saints of Ramanuja Sampradhayam in YouTube.

All unanimously at different occasions say “Don’t validate just surrender to your Guru or Vishnu”.

Should we ask questions?
Should we unconditionally accept Vishnu?

What is unconstitutional acceptance mean?

If Garuda can get doubt of Sri Rama’s Paratvam after SriRam getting tied to Naga Ashtram how can we normal people be in exclusion list?

Also Khakbhuahundi sthala puranam true?

Are there many Srimad Ramayanam ending in each universe of multiverse?

Were all these narrated by Khakbhuahundi maharishi to Garuda to clear his doubt of Sri Ram’s para Brahma swaroopam?

Can we have solitude within social family itself being Grihastha?

Why should we learn about SanAthana Dharma if we don’t require to do vicharam?

Dasanudasan

 
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3 on August 30, 2022

Swamy, please share the YouTube channel names. Would like to hear. Adiyen

on August 30, 2022

Swamy,

Adiyen usually don’t promote other channels in kinchit website.

Just like Andavan & Ahobilam are two different entities even though same Sampradhayam.

Adiyen once shared Krishna Premi Anna upanyasam on Radha & Samruddhi based on his new rare book upa Bhagavatham/Puranam “Brindavana Mahathmyam”.

Adiyen got fitting reply that “It is a different Sampradhayam” so understood it’s not applicable under Kinchit branding!

Same applied for Iskcon upanyasam. Then understood we like only branded items we are not really Krishna concious but we talk as if we are!!!!

There are many learned here to prove my point.

Please search for “Rare interview of Himalayan Yogi” in YouTube. You will stumble upon the Stivaishnava Yogis with Thiruman.

Dasanudasan

on August 30, 2022

Vikram Swamy,

Dhanyosmi for providing the keyword. Each sampradaya people have their own svabhaavam. Adiyen’s opinion is “It is better to get hurt by A golden needle, than to get hurt by A Brass needle”. But as our Swamy told “Avar avarkku vandhal dhan theriyum”. So either argument is correct. Let us not think much about whether what we did was right or wrong. Let’s keep going.

Adiyen

on August 31, 2022

Ok Swamy
Dasanudasan

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2 on August 30, 2022
In this video, I observed sri Krishna premi anna to be mentioning, anna’s bakthas.From SriVaishnava dasan

One has to read the post in toto and then interpret properly. The post emphasised on mentioning “anna’s bakthas, considering him an avatar and having his own baktha’s”. This appear to be imply “not bakthas of Lord Krishna”. Hence, I have mentioned that one has to be baktha of Lord Krishna only (and not baktha of the propagator). By this, I have clearly indicated Krishna conscious. One should not misinterpret.

We do discuss about Saivism and other sampradayam in this forum. Just mentioning that it is a different sampradayam (since it indicates anna’s bakthas) should not be interpreted as ‘not to be discussed in this forum’. It is for the administrator to decide.

on August 31, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

The video may talk about Sri Anna’s followers only for the purpose of that book which was released. Technically bhakthi comes on the one who propagates Sath Vishayam.

I am Velukkudi Krishnan bhaktha as he propagates Krishna. It’s Guru Bhakthi.

Sri Anna is Periya VachAn Pillai Vamsam.

Not sure how many of us know about it. In fact we all follow VyKyAna Chakravarthy Periya VachAn Pillai Swamy’s interpretations.

The unfortunate part of our posts are we never discussed about Radha or Samruddhi or Brindavana Mahathmyam book.

That post discussed about Radha’s bhakthi where I mentioned about her so she came to me via that video.

What is wrong with us? Who are Sri Anna’s followers ? All Krishna Bhakthas right?

Are we not Krishna Bhaktha?

What did Azhwar say?
“I will surrender to one who accepts Hari even if pulayar, I will not accept anyone who disregards Hari even if he is a Brahmin”

The video was rare because I have never seen Premi Anna claiming as “Yogeeshwaran”. There is something unique in that video as well as the book.

Sri Anna was into yoga and had Krishna Prathyaksham. He himself revealed in book “BhAgavatha Dharmam” many years back.

Because of his lineage PerumAl would have come to him easily. His parents & grandparents punyam.

Not sure what else to say. We forum have same reaction for Iskcon upanyasam.

Swamy Velukkudi himself referred a book on Iskcon interpretation of Gita or something. Search this forum Bhakthas will know.

We have to take good & leave the bad. That’s all.

Dasanudasan

on August 31, 2022

There are terms such as follow / regard / respect / admire that can be used to show reverence towards someone. But bakthi is at much higher level. Hope everyone knows about this and I am not competent enough to describe.

Even surrendering need not bring bakthi.

https://srisrianna.com/avatar/

I am quoting the following statement, as the only way to attain motcham, from the website, for others to decide.

“Sri Anna, in all His discourses highlights that Hari Nama sankeertanam is the only, but sure way to get across this turmoil of earthly life.”.

This clearly shows that he is not considering Ramanujar sambandham for motcham, though he is from acharya lineage.

We have seen / heard several who claim themselves to be God / avatar.

In this website it is mentioned, Sri. Anna has incarnated in this world and an avatar.

Based on the following statement (from the website), I do not know whether his bakthas consider him to be God.

“Like how Brahman can’t be explained in words, so is THE GREAT PHENOMENON – Sri Sri Anna. HE is to be EXPERIENCED”.

Every one goes by their own judgement. If someone wants to consider one as avatar or God and want to show bakthi, I will not come in their way. It is after all his prerogative. At the same time, if some one has different view, he can not be insisted upon. I only wished us to be devotees of Lord Krishna only and not insisted.

I have gone through this link, before I posted my comment 4 days back, in the other thread. I did not want to post in detail, but now circumstances force me.

Regardless of what I have mentioned, I should say that I have respects for him and his works, which is a different point altogether.

One of my relative and his gosti was invited to perform bajan by anna for about a week and was given to understand that they were looked after well.

I do not want to continue further in this thread, as I feel it is not proper.

Admin : This post is just a reply and if it is felt inappropriate, my posts in this thread can be deleted.

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0 on September 1, 2022

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

A short anecdote that adiyen came across is life,

Person 1: This life (personal, professional, spiritual) is terrible and disgusting.
Person 2: When we are not happy with our life, always think that someone is happy simply because we exist.
********

How to overcome come such thoughts?

Appoint yourself to the position of “Gratitude Ambassador”. This position NEEDN’T be made public; there is no need to announce it to family or friends or colleagues. The role of GRATITUDE Ambassador is to simply practise gratitude within the home, workplace and temple. It’s believed that family and colleagues witness the Ambassador’s attitude of gratitude, they too will adopt Thankfulness to Almighty GOD for what HE has given us, as part of their daily conversation.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

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Should we validate or surrender unconditionally?

 

From what I understand based on hearing from our acharyas, first surrender unconditionally; such an unconditional surrendered life will in course of time validate the knowledge and philosophy received from the acharya.

To the best of my understanding, the reverse process is not practically possible. i.e. one who is trying to validate everything before surrendering will endlessly keep trying; but because of unsurrendered nature will not be satisfied with any amount of validation; he will keep finding some anomaly or other, and not really surrender at all. 

on September 1, 2022

Kambandasan swamy,

Happy to note your response after a long time, which prompted me to mention my understanding w.r.to this point.

In the opening verses of SriBashyam, Ramanujar says a spiritual aspirant need to do inquiry into Brahmam. In the upanyasam on SriBashyam by our swamy explains in detail on this point on exploration before taking the path. 

You are thinking of people taking up Ramanujar sambandham without validation. But, in the general population, will this be alright?.

 

 

on September 3, 2022

Dhanyosmi Kambandasan Swamy.

“one who is trying to validate everything before surrendering will endlessly keep trying”

Super
Dasanudasan

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