SriRaman Perumal dhane?

Updated on April 12, 2022 in Avatars
14 on April 7, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Perumal sonna kekkanum dhaney?
Raman, Sita Amma vai kaatukku Vara Vendam endru solliyum

Piratti Adam pidichu kooda pona dhaney?

Idhu Perumal pechai meeruvadhu dhaney?

Appadi kidaiyadhu, SriRaman aaga irundhaalum, dharmathai edhuthu sonnaal perumalukku pidikkum

Saha Dharma Chareethava nu Janakar certificate

So namma religion la Dharmam always goes with logic we don’t follow things blindly even if it is Perumal saying

KapilOpadesham accept panninoma?
Now not sure , Swamy saying different person writing different book

Buddhar accept panninoma?

Parashuramar accept pandroma?

We still say “Parashuramar Garva Bhangam”

We add bells & whistles & say “This avathAram”, “PoorNA avathAram” , “Avesha AvathAram” etc etc

Point is, Perumal is Perumal

Dharma samsthApanArthAya sambhavAmi yugEy yugEy

So he takes incarnation at his will till the power he requires in so & so avatArA

Indha avathArathirkku idhu podhum says Rama avathAram

AthmAnAm mAnusham manye Ramam DasharathAthmajam

So I condemn Iskcon when they say Krishna is only poorNa avathAram

These are humbugs

Perumal is Perumal whatever avathAram he may be

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Dasanudasan

 
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1 on April 7, 2022

Vikram Swami,

I think when we get into the concept of ‘personal god’, ‘bhedam’ and choice will certainly exist. 

We will need to have steadfast devotion attached to a name and form. Since bhagawan ‘Sri Krishna’ is one such unique avataram to show his ‘Vishwarupa Darshanam’, perhaps ISKCONites are considering him to be the supreme of all. 

In fact, ISKCONites do not consider ‘Sri Krishna Bhagawan’ as an avataram, rather him to be the source of all avatarams.

– Adiyen

 

on April 8, 2022

Srivats Swamy,

According to Nahi nindA nyAyam one God can be considered superior. It doesn’t mean other God are inferior. With Ref to Mukkur Swamy Upanyasam.

The point they say 64 qualities this & that to substantiate is not correct. As if Perumal is deficient of something.

The inferior thing is what we are saying need to be pointed out as wrong.

Bhu VarAhar showed big roopam. Maha Varaha:. Vamanan showed Trivikrama roopam “Ulagalandha Perumal”, even the Meena avathAram became big in size.

It’s not about the size it’s about the supremacy. In fact such big roopi Krishna coming as baby is what liked by most. Srimath Bhagavatham is cherished because of sowlabhyam & sowsheelyam.

Let Krishna be the source we are not denying it. Let Narasimha come out of Krishna nothing wrong. In Sri Rama avathAram , SriRam says “I can destroy the world just by. my nails, if I want to” thinking of Narasimha.

Here all avathArams of Vishnu are supreme. Irrespective of veeryam showcased. That’s the point.

SriRama being my personal God doesn’t mean Krishna is inferior.

SulabhAya, susheelAya Venkatesaya Mangalam

Dasanudasan

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7 on April 8, 2022

I don’t beg to differ, Vikram Swami!

I do have a couple of ‘Gaudiya Math’ friends (not ISKCON) who treat all avatArams of perumAl with reverence, but ‘Lord Sri Krishna’ is supreme. They are strictly following their siddhantam and acharya paramparai and let them follow it steadfastly.

But when I shared a few pics of ‘JagatAchAryar Sri Ramanujar’ with them, their instant response was ‘Jai Sri Ramanujacharya’. So they do share a lot of respect for our AchAryan too.

Even in our own sampradAyam, we don’t celebrate with fervour say, ‘Varaha or Vamana Jayanti’ as much as ‘Sri Jayanti ‘ or Sri Rama Navami’, though all are avatArams of bhagawan. Isn’t that indicative of a difference in the way we treat avatArams?

Your thoughts?

– Adiyen

 

 

on April 8, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Respect is different Swamy. We respect them too but we don’t endorse their ideology.

Prabhupada Swamy says anyone can become Brahmin. Only adherance makes a Brahmin not birth. An Engineer’s son is not an Engineer by birth is his logic. Do you agree?

Regarding celebration of avathArams, I don’t have answer. I leave it to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy to answer. I have the same question as you do. Do we give that much importance to Parashuram as we give to Krishna?

One solid reason, i could think of, they (SriRam & Sri Krishna) are nearby in time incarnations. They are in our history. Ithihasam is closer to us than PurANams.

Dasanudasan

on April 9, 2022
We respect them too but we don’t endorse their ideologyFrom vikraminside

Vikram Swami,

When their philosophy and guru paramparai itself is different, where does the question of one endorsing the other comes? Neither of us needs to endorse each other.

Adiyen also vaguely remembers Velukkudi Swami mentioning in one of his discourses that we can follow any tatvam (within the vedic ambit) but not in isolation. We must take refuge in a guru and follow the paramparai. Please correct me if my understanding is wrong!

Even I am not comfortable with certain aspects of their sampradAyam. For instance, I have read that Srila Sri Prabhupada has made personal attacks on ‘Sri Adi Sankara Bhagavatpada’ using an unparliamentary term. I am not able to accept that term for a champion, who paved way for the renaissance of Vedic heritage. But suddenly I start thinking if there is any reason for me to worry about it unless I follow that sampradAyam!

On a different note, no sampradAyam encourages free inquiry and questioning beyond a point. Would you disagree? Here again, Velukkudi Swami has told us that our lifetime may not be sufficient to do an analysis of a siddhantam from scratch, reconstruct everything, and gain a complete understanding unless the divine grace helps us do so, hence most of us trust our guru lineage and moving forward.

So are ISKCONites! 

– Adiyen

on April 10, 2022

Srimate Raamnuajaye namaha,

Would like to share an interesting perspective I heard from a vaishnava on this topic.

” Krishna is like president at home, in casuals..Perumaal is like president in office in full office attire”

Adiyen

on April 11, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Srivats Swamy
“We must take refuge in a guru and follow the paramparai. Please correct me if my understanding is wrong!”

Our Swamy is correct. That answered everything.

Guru Parampara lineage is important. Self made philosophies are not appreciated. The point of endorsing comes because even if it is new, it has to be approved by elders.

Valmiki Maharishi got approval from Narada Maharishi & Brahma before writing Srimath Ramayana. Brahma says there will be no exaggeration in the verses. Yesterday only found out from APN Swamy’s Upanyasam in YouTube. 18 arthams that Swamy Ramanuja learnt in the form of Srimath Ramayanam.

Some new age kids say “Ramayana being kAvya is exxagerated by Valmiki”.

Anyone cannot undergo BrahmOpadesham from anyone. Why Sant nyAneshwar being realized soul went on to get BrahmOpadesham from Brahmin elders? What is so great about being a Brahmin? That’s the point.

Sant made Buffalo 🐃 recite Veda. Still he was insisting on janeyu (poonal). Why?

A real Brahmin is not a veshaDhAri or a veshaDhAri alone is not a Brahmin.

We always welcome Bhakthi in any form but tradition cannot be compromised. We ought to be ready to take up any life for our sampradhayam based on our Acharya’s orders. It’s a matter of time.

Dasanudasan

on April 11, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
@EnpaNiFan Swamy
Is Krishna the retired president? 😊
Dasanudasan

on April 11, 2022

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,
Swamy I don’t understand the context of why you are referring to as ‘retired’?
Krishna behaves with his devotees as a president relates to his family members at home..
Perumaal behaves with his devotees as a president relates to his office staff.( there are exceptions.as friends and family members can visit his office too)

This is a broad explanation..Not to be taken literally..the point conveyed is the roles are different though HE is the same personality.

Adiyen

on April 12, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

This is over hype Swamy. Krishna is Perumal. Perumal is Krishna. Appo Ramar yar Swamy Assistant Vice-Presidenta?

My question is, who is Perumal? It is a Tamil term. It includes all forms of Krishna. Including Para Vasudevan.

Our NaichyAnusandhAnam determines if we are office staff or friends & family.He is the SAME in any form.

Nee Indran nu irumappu la irundha garva Bhangam panna dhan seivar.

If Indran comes as nAyen vandhu adaindhen Perumal keeps him on the lap.

Dasanudasan

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1 on April 11, 2022

Vikram Swami,

I do very much share your opinion. In fact, I have seen a couple of families (neighbours) who suddenly became ISKCONites just because they can eventually reach the so-called brAhmanatvam at least externally. 

In this case, ISKCONites also claim an AchArya lineage starting from 

Sri Krishna ——> Brahma —–> NArada —–> VyAsa ——>…………….Srila PrabhupAda covering 32 AchAryans. Interestingly, this list includes MadhvAcharya too.

Swami, you tell frankly! How many of us have the required shraddhai, erudition, and divine blessings to question the veracity of a lineage? 

Also, there is a fear factor that if by doing so, would it become ‘Bhagavata Nindanai’ making us drift away from bhagawan? There is so much of confusion, hence keeping quiet. 

– Adiyen

on April 11, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Who should fear they or us?

They are doing wrong, why you fear?

BrahmOpadesham ku mariyadhai kidaiyadha?

Vittaldas Maharaj Swamy says “It starts with seemandham, jata karma even before the sishu is born”

“A Brahmin is made even before birth”

That’s why am against inter-caste marriages

Lakshmi natha samArambham Trivikrama madhyamam
Asmad Acharya paryantham vandey guru paramparam

Tomorrow, My son may say, who knows?

Point is , is it acceptable or not?

Dasanudasan

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Vikram Swami,

I keep responding to your notes only because the more I interact with you, the better my knowledge is.

Nothing otherwise!

– Adiyen

on April 11, 2022

All credits to my Acharyan Sri Rangaramanuja Mahadesika Swamy
Sri Varaha Mahadesika Swamy
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy
and our PoorvAchAryAs
Dasanudasan

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