Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Follow up on aprAkrutha pancha bhUtham!
This is a follow up question on DA Joseph Swamy’s upanyasam where he mentioned “aprAkrutha pancha bhUtham” as he explained wind water air everything is there and asking adiyen without pancha bhUtham how it exists?

Adiyen said there is no pancha bhUtham in Srivaikuntam that’s is why it’s called aprAkrutham but adiyen want to know how it exists? In what form? Do they exist in first place?

aprAkrutha thirumEni means what? ThirumEni is made of something correct? What is it?

What did Hanuman hug to in SriRAm?
What did Sukha Bruhmam hug to in Srinivasa?

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Ramnujaye namaha

Very difficult questions to answer Swami.. the answers are based on things or aspects beyond our comprehension or our general experience..Also if we try to comprehend aprakurtha using mind and intelligence made of prakurtha.. it is a near impossible task…but if Lord desires so he can reveal to us through Acharayas..

I can share one aspect of answer which i have read.. thirumeni is made of Sat cit and ananda..(eternity, knowledge and bliss)..

Adiyen

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Dear Vikram Bhagavata,

Continuing the Aprakrutha Mandalam (Non CHanging Prakruthi) from the other thread, Adiyen will share adiyen’s understanding based on what adiyen has heard from Swami’s Pravachanams.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/nature-of-aatman/

Adiyen has heard in the past, Swami mentioning about “three sub-divisions/categories of Achit (Insentient/Jada Porul)”.

a) Suddha Satvam, b) Mishra Tatvam & c) Kaalam (Time).

This Kaalam (Time) Achit Tatvam plays the role in Samsaram which makes the Prakruthi in Samsaram as Changing. Due to NO Kaalam (Time) in SriVaikuntam, the Prakruthi Mandalam in SriVaikuntam is termed as “Aprakritha Mandalam (Non Changing). Some details here.

a) Kaalam (Time)

Swami says “the Time COVERS Everything and also KEEPS CHANGING by itself and it also it changes the one’s form to which it has covered”.

“தானும் மாறும் , தான் மூடிக்கொண்டு இருக்கும் பொருளின் தன்மையையும் அது மாற்றி விடும் “

Example, take a cloth died with some color. The colored cloth (Achit) is covered with Kaalam (time). Once any object is covered with Time, then it will HAVE AN EXPIRY DATE. So we see the deteriorating state and finally it changes its form due to time factor. Like color fades over a period of time and finally after some time, it wers and the cloth chnages its form to fibres and debris and finally perishes in Soil. Same way our body (Achit) is alos covered with Time, so it has an expiry data and perishes.

* ‘Samsaram’ is COVERED with Kaalam (Time). So, each yugam, paraplayam etc….

Time-based, So deterioration (every start has an expiry date). We get the below b )Mishra Tatvam Body, so that body has an expiry date.

It is called Prakritha mandalam (Keeps Changing/ Azhiyakkodiyadhu).

b) Mishra Tatvam: Mixed with Rajas, Tamas & Sathva together.

* Example is ‘Samsaram’.

* ‘Permanent SUFFERING‘ means ‘Anithyam-Asukham’ due to KARMAS (Only Pain with little fake pleasure).

When Chit (Jeevathama) keeps seeing Mishra Tatvam, Gyanam (Spritual knowledge) will not improve. When Chit (Jeevathma) keep seeeing Suddha Tatvam, then our Gyanam (Spiritual knowledge) will improve. Thats why we are suppose to do Dyanam only on SUPREME Sriman Narayanan Thirumeni.

c) Suddha Tatvam: ONLY Sathvam. NO mixture of Rajas & Tamas.

* Example is SriVaikuntam (Nithya Vibhoothi)

* No time based, No deterioration (no no start date and hence no expiry date).

* NO Karmas.

* In SriVaikuntam also, there is Achit, then only We JeevAThmas can be in a body to servce BhagavAn. But the difference is, there is no Kaalam (Time) covered in the Achit (Prakruthi) in SriVaikuntam, since SriVaikuntam is Suddha Satvam. So the Prakruthi DOESN”T change or deteriorate due to time factor.

* ONLY DUE TO OUR SANKALPAM, We can change body. Like, Adiyen (Chit) after reaching SriVaikuntam, can consider to get a Lotus body by Sankalpam and servce BHagavan, or Get a Swan body and carry Perumal on adiyens back as Kainkaryam or take any body by SANKALPAM to serve BHagavan. All these, we can do by Sankalpam, due to NO KARMAS.

* So is called Aprakritha mandalam (Doesn’t Change due to No Time & No Rajas & NO Tamas, Only SUddha Satvam).

* ‘Permanent Aanandham’ means ‘Nithyam Sukham’ & Nithya Kainkaryam and Nithya Aanandham due to JeevathmAs TRUE NATURE (Swaroopa Aavirbhavam in ‘SriVaiukuntam’ only).

* Example is BhagavAn Sriman Narayana as Para VAsuDevan and HIS Poorna Avatarams like SriRama, SriKrishna, SriVaraha, SriNarasimha, etc and also ALL NithyaAthmas and MukthAthmas Quality/Nature.

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Overall in Short,

Since, the QUALITY of Kaalam (Time) is “It COVERS Everything and also KEEPS CHANGING by itself and it also it changes the one’s form to which it has covered”.

“தானும் மாறும் , தான் மூடிக்கொண்டு இருக்கும் பொருளின் தன்மையையும் அது மாற்றி விடும் “

Hence,

* Prakruthi (Achit) in SriVaikuntam is called as Aprakrutha Madalam (Suddha satvam) which is NOT covered by Kaalam (Time AT ALL), and

* Prakruthi (Achit) is Samsaram is called as Prakrutha Mandalam (Mishra Tatvam) which is covered with Kaalam (Time).

So we BhaddhAThmas (with karmas) after reaching SriVaikuntam will be MuktAthmas (no karmas) and we get a Aprakruthi Shareeram (non deteriorating body) to serve BhagavAn in Aprakruthu Mandalam “Suddha Satvam” (no changing environment due to no Time factor). We change bodies only due to Sankalpam to serve BhagavAn.

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Swami to forgive adiyen for any errors in adiyen’s understanding.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThrivAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu

Adiyean,

Yes, exactly Kongil Piraati Bhaghavatha.

Kaala Thathvam is King (or playing key role) only in this Leela Viboothi. In Nithya Viboothi, it is under control of Bhaghavan. With HIS sankalpam, it changes or freeze. Same goes to Pancha boOthangal (5 elements). They are all slaves to Bhaghavan and is different from Leela Viboothi. 

It doesn’t mean Bhaghavan is not Chakravarthi to Leela ViboOthi. Only thing is that He doen’t normally interfere / meddle with their (Kaalam and 24 main elements – starting from Moola Prakruthi,Mahaan,Ahangaram…) duties and leave them to function independently or Swathanthram.

In Nithya Viboothi, it is not the case. There, Bhaghawan’s (as well as Nithya/Mukhtha Aathmaa)Sankalpam is the KEY. 

Please do not ask me how you know- (if Adiyean has seen it??)Ha ha ha… it is ,of course, heard from Swamigals’ Pravachanam. If any errors… then it is Adiyean’s. If it is correct… then it means adiyean remembers exactly what is heard from his pravachanams.

Request Bhaghavathaa’s to listen at least to Swamigal’s Dhasa Upanishads and YMD pravachanams audio CDs (can buy online from “Velukkudidiscourses.com” to enjoy the real contents and their meanings. 

Ramajuja Dhasan!!