Vadakalai vs Tenkalai Views

Updated on December 20, 2022 in Holy Books
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Saved this around 23-Jun-2017 from
http://sriramanujar.tripod.com/tVsv.html

Some I agree & some I don’t on personal front.

There are about 18 such points of differences with varying degrees of insignificance as not to deserve a discussion at all. Still, being on the subject, we shall briefly allude to a few of them by way of illustration and without comment

1. Regarding Lord’s mercy. Next to the Caste mark, this probably is the only other difference most people are aware of

Vadakalai View

Some positive gesture is necessary on the part of the jeevatma to deserve the grace of God, because He can be deemed partial if He grants Moksha to all both deserving and undeserving.

Tenkalai View

Lord’s grace is spontaneous. He can grant Moksha to anyone he likes. 

2. Regarding the status of Lakshmi (i) as to her being the means (ii) as to her being infinite (iii) as to her being Paramatma

Vadakalai View

(i) She is the means for attaining salvation as much as the Lord Himself and also has the role of a mediator ( Purushakara)(ii) She is infinite in nature (Vibhu) like the Lord Himself(iii) She is also Paramatma as much as the Lord Himself

Tenkalai View

(i) Do not accept this position though they accept her recommendatory role as held by Vadakalais(ii) She is atomic in nature like other Jeevatmas(iii) She is a Jeevatma like any of us.

3. Regarding Kaivalya

Vadakalai View

(i) Kaivalya is inferior to Paramapada(ii) Kaivalya is not eternal(iii) Kaivalya is situated Outside Paramapada

Tenkalai View

(i) Accepted(ii) Kaivalya is eternal(iii) Kaivalya is within Paramapada but in its outermost parts.

4. Regarding the means of Bhakti and Prapatti

Vadakalai View

Accept both as the direct means but Bhakti is more difficult and dilatory while Prapatti is easy and immediate

Tenkalai View

Do not accept any means because Jeevatma is so utterly dependent as to be incapable of adopting either Bhakti or Prapatti as a means. 

5. Regarding Prapatti

Vadakalai View

Prapatti has to be a positive specific act of surrender by the jeevatma to the Paramatma

Tenkalai View

No positive, specific act is necessary. All that is required is

(i) the knowledge of the Svarupa of the Jeevatma and(ii) mental acceptance of the Lord’s grace in granting salvation

6. Regarding sins

Vadakalai View

When a jeeva surrenders, the Lord forgives the sins committed by the jeevatma and grants Moksha.

Tenkalai View

The sins of a jeevatma is a source of joy for the Lord who relishes the same like a cow licking off the dirt on the body of its calf 

7. Regarding performance of Compulsory duties like Sandhyavandanam

Vadakalai View

As compulsory duties are laid down by the Sastras which are the Lord’s commandments, non- performance will tantamount to transgression of His commands (Ajna adhilangana) and will render the Prapanna liable for punishment

Tenkalai View

To a highly evolved soul, non- performance of the compulsory duties is not an offence. But, they should continue to do them more for setting an example to the less evolved souls. 

8. Regarding the interpretation of the words “Sarva Dharman Parityajya’ occurring in the Charama sloka

Vadakalai View

The Dharmas actually refer to the 32 Vidyas attaching to Bhaktiyoga which had already been given up by the jeeva due to incapacity and delay involved in observing them and the Lord offers to stand in their place

Tenkalai View

This is literally interpreted to mean ‘ First, give up your duties and then take refuge in the Lord’ 

9. Regarding the Lord’s grief at the suffering of the souls

Vadakalai View

One can have grief only when one cannot remove suffering of another. But, the Lord is capable of removing suffering. So, there is no need for Him to grieve. As Sri Rama , He shows to the World how a human would feel and how one should react on seeing the misery of others.

Tenkalai View

They hold that the Lord actually feels sorry on seeing the sufferings of souls and cite examples from Srimad Ramayana where Sri Rama is depicted as grieving over the misery of others. 

10. Regarding the Lord’s being also atomic as well as gigantic in size as mentioned in the Vedas.

Vadakalai View

He is smaller than the atom in beings that are atomic in size. This is called ‘Antar Vyapti’ ( Immanence). He is also greater than the greatest in the sense He pervades and surrounds everything. This is called ‘ Bahir Vyapti’. ( Transcendence)

Tenkalai View

His being atomic in atoms and enveloping even the biggest are all

done by what is known as ‘Agatitha Ghatana Saamartya’- Special powers enabling accomplishment of even the impossible.

Dasanudasan

 
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Swamy,
Why this forum ??

on December 20, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Swamy,

BhAgavathAs need to understand we are siblings. Difference of opinion does not mean enemity. We are thinkers, Sri Velukkudi Krishnan swamy has said

“Paguthu Arivadhu = Pagutharivu”

So we are encouraged to think and not blindly believe.

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha

Also many are scolding me in this forum as if I am against Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy & SriVaisNava Dasan alias Jayaram Swamy. EnnamO avA (former) dhan ottu uravu pola.

If Brahmam is nothing how can it have name? Why take pain of even asking the question? nu kaeten.

SrivatS Swamy: When did Swamy say Brahmam = NirguNam?

Answer: Form is an attribute just like name. If Brahmam is name less, It is formless. It is almost nothing. Which can be argued as non-existent. Our VishishtAdvaita SiddhAntham Udayavar clearly said in Brahma Sutra Bhashyam “Whatever the outcome, it is as a result of the attributefull source”.

So highlighted the differences here in this forum to set the baselines correct.

Let the sibling rivalry continue…

Dasanudasan

on December 20, 2022
Form is an attribute just like name. If Brahmam is name less, It is formless. It is almost nothing. Which can be argued as non-existent. Our VishishtAdvaita SiddhAntham Udayavar clearly said in Brahma Sutra Bhashyam “Whatever the outcome, it is as a result of the attributefull source”.From vikraminside

Swami has clearly mentioned in the audio that ‘கண்ணுக்கு (அந்த அவயவத்துக்கு மட்டும்) புலப்படாதவரே, காட்சி அருளவும்’.

If bhagawan is not perceptible only to our eyes (just one of the sense organs) in that occurrence, how can he be equated to a formless and attributeless brahmam?

– Adiyen

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0 on December 20, 2022

 

Onnu sollungo:

I SEE A TREE.

DOES THE TREE SHOW UP AS TREE BECAUSE IT IS A TREE?

OR

I SEE THE TREE SO IT IS A TREE?

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