Sheshadri swamy, namaskaram.

I don’t know the intricate details about the different parts of Vedas and how it was received by man kind. With my limited knowledge the way I understand this is as follows:

Each one of us is eternal. But it appears as if someone (should I say ‘sometwo’) produced us and we can be placed in a timeline based on that.

Similarly, in any given cycle of creation the anadi Vedas can be revealed to mankind in appropriate installments through different personalities.

Once again, this is just my understanding; I too would like to hear deeper and clearer answers from those who have actually heard about this from acharyas.

adiyen dasan. 

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Namskaaram swami, interestingly some of the questions you have  raised are partially covered Meemamsa course by Ranganathan Swami. I also raised some similar questions to him in Q&A.

I will share the answers I heard from swami.

For naming of some shakas as per Rishis, there is an explcit siddanta given in Meemamssa in (1.1.8) “The naming of sections of the Vedas after certain Rishis also does not necessarily mean that they were composed by them. As it is established above that there is no Author for the Vedas, we must conclude that the naming must have been based on a particular Rishi focusing on learning and teaching (Pravachana)that particular section of the Vedas” .(Meemamsa Lesson 4 handout)

Secondly, there was a statement made that Vedas are eternal and hence speak only about eternally true statements and does not talk about specific events of time. So i referred to one padma purana verse which talked about specific events and asked swamy how to reconcile this.. Swamy replies that only Vedas are eternal, puranaas are not. Puranaas are written by Veda Vyas under the guidance of Brahma. So it seems Veda upangas (Puraanaas are one of them) are not eternal in the literal sense. (But for practical purposes we can assuem they are very very old). 

But I am wondering what are the practical implication of this conclusion? 

 Adiyen

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Shesadri Swami and All Swami’s who has similar doubhts,

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham, Adiyen will provide some insights to devareer’s initial question.

Since every one of the devotees doesn’t have the original Vedic Tamil knowledge Grammer and other translated Sanskrit language Knowledge Grammer, BhagavAn has given us an additional understandable language like “English” or in latest “Transformed Tamil language” which is a FACT which presents the same content as Original Tamil Veda.

Since all the devotees use English or transformed Tamil language to discuss the SAME VEDA CONTENTS of the Original Tamil Vedas, Adiyen will explain using the “Transitive Property of Equality“

If a = b,  b = c, then a = c.

Vedas (a) = Thoughts of Veda Purusha (b),

Veda Purusha (b) = Supreme Sriman NarayanA (c) and HE IS Anaadhi,

then,

Vedas (a)  = Sriman NarayanA (c) and hence Vedas are Anaadhi, since Vedas are MY thoughts which exists for ever, since “I” exist for ever.

We know Sriman NarayanA has “BODY” which means HE has Nose, Mouth Foot, Ears Eyes and Hands.

These Body Parts are called Angas which makes up a Body, so without angas body cannot exist.

We saw as per Transitive Property of Equality that,

Vedas (a)  = Sriman NarayanA (c).

So if Sriman NarayanA has BODY Parts, then Vedas also has Body Parts.

Hence Vedas has Angas (body parts/Limbs) as well. Without Veda Angas (parts), the Vedas (body) cannot exist.

Veda Anga’s – The 6 Subsidiary / Anga’s / Limb’s of the Veda are
1)Shiksha – Science of Pronunciation – Phonetics & Phonology – Nose of Veda Purusha
2)Vyakaranam  – Grammar and science of linguistics – Mouth of the Veda Purusha
3)Chandas – Science of Meters – Foot of the Veda Purusha
4)Nirukta – Etymology & Meaning of words – Ears of the Veda Purusha
5)Jyauthisha – Astronomy & Astrology – Eyes of Veda Purusha
6)Kalpam – Procedures to perform Vedic Ritual – Hands of Veda Purusha.

Chandah paadau shabda shaastram ca vaktram.

Kalpah paaNee jyautisham cakshushhee ca,.
Shikshah ghraaNam shrotram uktam niruktam
Vedasya angaani aahuretaani shhat

“The six organs of the vedas are: chandas (e mouth), kalpa (the pair of hands), astrology (the
pair of eyes), shiksha (the nose), niruktam (the pair of ears)”.

So let’s learn to apply the VEDIC content through the language which is close to ones heart, since content is important and language is only a MEDIUM/TOOL to convey the original Vedic content.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

The moment they say it was written early or later means – they are bound by time element. Which is contradictory to basis of Vedas. Because Vedas are eternal. They are there even before “time” element came.

Time is a person. His name is Kala. Before Kala came into existence, Vedas were there. Vedas are timeless.

Adiyen

Adiyen dasan… Dhanyosmi for all