Please read
“Why this snake also asking up with me?”
As
“Why this snake also waking up with me?”

Also, should we respect this janma attachment or not?

We do celebrate Swamy Velukkudi VaradachAriyAr thirunakshatram.

Is this because there is divinity for that soul or we respect this janmA relationship? This is also attachment correct? Or devareer consider father as AcharyA?

Even that case,
Is Guru-Sishya not an attachment?

Dasanudasan

Srimate Raammujaye Namaha,

Attachment(material) is perhaps those aspects which are not conducive for our service to the Lord , which we know it is so, but still are not able to give up the desire.

Spiritual attachment are those which enhances our relation with the Lord and His devotees.

Adiyen

Swamy,
Namaskaaram.
Adiyen feel design of this samsara is to trap into attachments at every opportunity – how come concern over deer chased by Lion be wrong ..jeeva karunyam, right? Thinking about deer, Raja Rishi has to take birth as deer – earlier he was a Raja Rishi – knowing past present and future, he decides now to stay away from all attachments.
Hence it looks tremendous amount of resistance to unnecessary attachments has to be there for attaining eternal relief!
Adiyen
Ramanujadasan.

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Attachment is classified Primarily into two as per shastras.

‘1) ‘Lowkika Samyojana (Materialistic attachment)

‘2) Vaidhika Samyojana (Spiritual attachment)

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‘1) ‘Lowkika Samyojana (Materialistic attachment):

• Allowed for materialistic developers who are interested in socializing with those who has interests in “bhogam, kaamam, krodham, lobham, matham, maatsaryam etc“…. which has some amazing/astonishing end results of suffering, drowning in problems, and due to this continous tormented suffering in one janma or many janmas due to their repeated actions, they naturally get tamed and finally they come to the Spiritual path as 1st step (enough is enough having attachments with materialistic developers).
• These are Aapasa Bhandus (Bodily mates, not Soul mates) or Varunkaala (Future) Prapanaas.

‘2) Vaidhika Samyojana (Spiritual attachment):

Two types:

• A) Not allowed for Bhakthi Yoga Maargham, (three steps: Karma, Gyana, Bhakthi) which SriKrishna Preaches in BhagavAt Gita is TOTALLY about this Maargham where detachment is being taught, because only males only can do this maargham (no females, kids etc..) and they have to separate from the worldly relationship (good or bad doesnt matter) in-order to avoid distraction (just like an office goers have to keep maximum focus on work, though and avoid or keep less interaction with family, its nothung wrong thats the only possibility), so that they to do this TEDIOUS process comfortably for many yugas, janmas, kalpas etc….of Dyanam, Ashtaanga yogam to reach UPEYAM (Destination as BhagavAn) in SriVaikunta using their EFFORT as UPAYAM (path to Mokasham). This Maargham is called Saadhyopayam.
• Karanam Thappinaal Maranam in this Maargham. So detachment is 100% necessary.

• B) Allowed for Sharanagathy Maargham, since Upayam (Path to reach BhagavAn) and Upeyam (Destination as BhagavAn) is both BhagavAn HIMSELF, so there is NO Efforts from our side to reach Moksham (BhagavAn takes care since Acharya is HIS ThiruvAdi. This Maargham is called Siddhopayam (Siddhamaana Purushanai adaithal). But to survive and live till we reach Moksham, we need to use our efforts to Spend time Fruitfully (Time Pass) doing Service, involving in Spiritual discussion etc to reduce our remaining prarabtha karmas…due to fact that BhagavAn has given us Freedom & Freewill, there is possibility that we will either get dragged into some Lowkika attachments due to our past vaasanaas. So Acharyas and Upanyasakars pick the elements of Bhakthi Yoga maargham like detachments, viragyma words just to frighten us in-order to keep us away from Lowkikas, though it has nothing to do with Moksham, since we are reaching Moksham due to Swami RamanujAr NirHedhukai Krupai and not even our Sharnagathy. Then why do Sharanagathy, it’s for BhagavAt Preethyartham that “I Surrender and agree that I’m ONLY YOUR Property, Sotthu“. That’s why sharanagathans get confused do we need detachment after Sharanagathy. It’s only a tactics, just keep our reputation good to outside world.
  • Thirumangai Alwar says தாயே தந்தை என்றும் தாரமே கிளை மக்கள் என்றும் நோயே பட்டொழிந்தேன் (I had attachment with Mother, Father, Wife, Kids and I got only Disease…….). This is said by Thirumangai Alwar to imply one’s lifestyle before Prapatthi…..not for a Sharanagthan to follow, since ThiruMangai Alwar (Kaliyan) wife was KumudaValli Natchiyaar who was a SriVaishanavaite due to which  Kaliyan became ThiruManghai Alwar, so here Attachment is needed for a Sharanagthan, since Kumudhavalli Nachiyaar is Athma Bhandhu (Soul mate).
  • Maara Neri Nambhi (Sharanagathan), a Shisya of Yaamunacharya told Periya Nmabhi that, when HE leaves for Moksha (attain Acharya ThiruvAdi), don’t let my body cremation be done by my family members, since they are Lowkikas (Aapasa Bhandhus). So HIS family members are Aapasa Bhandus (Hence detachment from Aapasa bhandus are needed for rest of life to be in spiritual path after sharanagthy) and be Attached with Athma Bhandhu like Periya Nambi.

  • Swami Nanjeeyar who is a shishya of Swami Parasara Bhattar, one day got Sanyasa Ashramam (wanted to be deatched just for teh sake of doing Kainkaryam in rest of life, itsa personal choice). Swami Thirumalai AnathAzhwan Pillai who is another sishya of Swami Ramanujar came to know about this and advised Swami Nanjeeyar that “Pasikkum podhu pusithu, Viyarkkum podhu kulithu, Bhattar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam yendru irundhaal, Unga Perumal umakku Moksham kudukka maataaro”, means, “After prapatti, if you eat when you are hungry & take bath when you feel sweating, and say Bhattar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam, won’t your Perumal give you Moksham”. That is the power of Acharyar ThiruvAdi, so where is question about “Attachment & Detachment”.

  • Swami Nanjeeyar’s shishya was lying in bed in his last days to leave to Moksham. At that time, he asked Swami Nanjeeyar that “he has Detached himslef in last few years from family clutches, and then Attached himself in service to BhagavAn and Acharyas, so is this enough to get Moksham”. Swami Nanjeeyar became upset after hearing this and said to him, “so far after listening to all Kalakshepam and Upanyasam, is this the understanding that you got in the last minute while you are in bed“.

    Swami Nanjeeyar said” Unnai Vida vaithu Pattra vaitha Avan ThiruvAdigalaey Upaayam”, means Detachment or Attachment is not the means to Moksham in Sharanagthy Maargham, but the ThiruvAdi of Perumal which we got through Acharyar Sambhandham is the only means to Moksham, both Upayam and Upeyam is BhagavAn.

It’s a personal choice of a Sharanagathan to be attached or detached, how one wants to spend spiritual time after Prapatti, to be in contact with Athma Bandhus inside and outside family, and detach from aapasa bandhus (varungaala prapanaas, like us in our past janma), so that our own Vaasanaas will not drag us into past memories, which will make us look bad Infront of other wordily people which will prompt them to make fun of us, but both attachment or detachment) in Sharanagthy Maargham has nothing to do with getting Moksham (Parama Padham) in same Janma, since we get Moksham due to Swami RamanuJAr Krupai.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) dasan.

frighten us in-order to keep us away from Lowkikas, though it has nothing to do with Moksham, since we are reaching Moksham due to Swami RamanujAr NirHedhukai Krupai and not even our Sharnagathy.From ElayaAlwar

It’s only a tactics, just keep our reputation good to outside world.From ElayaAlwar

Thought provoking and bold reply.

You have indicated the incidents from the life of acharyas to support your point. Fine. I believe you will be having reference from texts also to support your statement. I am not suspecting, but would like to know. Kindly provide for information.

In this regard, my thought goes the following way:-

After detailing on various margams and practices, Sri Krishna renders Charama slokam at the end of Gita.

BG 18.64 : Hear again My supreme teaching, the most secret of all; as you are exceedingly dear to Me, I will declare what is good for you.

He states that He is about to tell most secret (BG 18.64) of all. Does this mean, whatever He has told earlier are not applicable for the further information He is going to provide i.e., on saranagathy. This includes the details given by Him earlier on attachment,  Karma, Gyana, Bhakthi margams etc.,

Continuing in this context, can one infer that for one having Ramanujar Sambandham (saranagathan), ahara niyamam, daily karmas are not mandatory to get motcham?.

Resp Sri Velukkudi Krishnan swamy,

Thank you for the Enpani audio # 2590 titled “புத்தியைத் தூண்டினால் போதுமா?.”

With Athma Bhandus, one can be:
1) Saha Bhojana Yogyar (சஹ போஜன யோக்யர்) Can eat with them.From ElayaAlwar

Is Saha Bhojana Yogyar not applicable for all varnas of Bhagavatha Bhandus?.

adiyen observed brahmins take food separately and others were allowed to take food subsequently in the programs of tenkalai sampradayam. I heard similar procedure being followed from others.

As per tenkalai sampradayam :

All distinctions of caste are to be disregarded after Prapatti and all Prapannas are to be given equal respect and treated with complete equality. There are no divisions of caste or status amongst the Prapannas — all are to be treated with equality.

There are also several types of bhAgavatha apachAram – discriminating / disrespecting a srivaishnava based on one’s birth, knowledge, acts, food, relatives, place of living, etc.,

So it is clearly Bhagavata apacharam, however is followed, despite the fact that they are learned. I heard people quote this discrimination, despite the principles of sampradayam.