Adiyen felt Lord Krishna was more patient than Lord Rama or Lord Narasimha
Is adiyen’s observation correct?
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Adiyen feel that patience is applicable only for humans or incarnations where God promised to follow like normal human being..like Rama Avataram..
In Krishna Avataram He arranged everything by His will and made everything happen as per His plan..but it is a long and well executed plan.. so not sure if that can be called as patience.
Please correct any mistakes.
Adiyen
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Namaskaaram
Baghavan has infinite auspicious attributes. All attributes in his para roopa is present in all his incarnations without a single attribute missing. He may or may not exhibit it but he is paripoorna Avatara always.
Katopanishad says, “One who sees difference between two roopas of Lord Vishnu will fall into death from death”, means samsara or hell.
So, there is no difference at all. Rama and Krishna are 100% same. Based on the goal of their incarnations, they exhibted their attributes but they both possessed all auspicious attributes all times.
Sarvam Shri Krishnaarpanam!
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Then Hanuman should be falling from one place to another “Katopanishad says, “One who sees difference between two roopas of Lord Vishnu will fall into death from death”,
May be Upanishad talks about lowering one Roopa from another
It is beautiful to discuss his gunA. Swami Desikan sings dayA is better gunA than all.
Some praise varAhA as best some say Narasimha as best
Swaroopa Roopa Guna vibhava ishwarya
Everything can be compared adiyen don’t think it’s wrong
“Nadantha kAlgal nondhavO”
Only Sri Ram is more patient than Krishna 🙂
Ramarku enna thalai ezhuthA? Only we are bound by karma and He is not
SriRam is more patient than Krishna
Krishna has bathed horses, did lot of house hold chores Krishna Premi Anna used to say but adiyen feel SriRam did not enjoy as he limited his Supremacy due to human nature “AthmAnAm mAnusham manyE”
It’s pure anubhavam nothing wrong in comparing according to adiyen
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
As per “Nahi NindA NyAyam” the comparisons will be correct. Mukkur Sri Lakshmi NarasimhachAriyAr used to say. One may higher another avatAr based on this. Because of highering one the other will not become lower.
Dasanudasan
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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,
Adiyen also agree with all three Bhagavatas answer referring to Swami’s pravachabams.
The Supreme Sriman Narayanan’s POORNA avatars are SriRama, SriKrishna, SriNarsimha, SriVaraha, SriHayagreeva etc…Poorna avatar means when BhagavAn decends to Samsara to help us, HE comes with HIS FULL “Divine qualities (Kalyana Gunas)”.
There are some Avatars if Bhagavan where HE gives one or some of HIS gunas to other JeevAthmas for some purpose like Parasuram, Brahma, Shiva etc….
These type are called as “AVESHA Avatars”, which is NOT BhagavAn Himself.
Comparing Poorna Avatar (Swayam BhagavAn) to HIS Avesha Avatar (Not BhagavAn Himself) as bith are EQUAL is what is to be avoided as per katopanishad and one who compares these two type of Avatas (Poorna and Avesha) will fall in so and so place (hell) as described.
Comparing with in Poorna avatars like SriRama and SriKrishna ir SriNarasimha is a BhagavAt anubhavam. So Ram2000 Bhagavatas question is about BhagavAt anubhavam and every sharanagathan has right to enjoy whichever Poorna avatars they like.
Example from GuruParamparai.
One of Acharyas shisya from Thirumalai (Thirupathi) went to Srirangam to attend Swami Parasara Bhattars Kalakshepam. During kalakshepam, the shisya from Thurumalai sneezed. While sneezing He said “VenkatRamana”. But Swami Parasara Bhattar is fond of SrRanganathan very much, so Swami scolded that shusya and said, next time when you dneeze in SriRanfam premises, you dhould sneeze as “SriRanga” and mot anything else. This is a BhagavAt Anubhavam, though VenkatRamana or Ranganatha bith are poorna avatars of Sriman Narayanan. So such debates within Poorna avatars are allowed as BhagavAt Anubhavam.
Another example:
Ahobhila Mutt Shishyas are fond of SriNarasimha only.
We know Andal in Thiruppaavai talks about SriKrishna. But in 1st paasuram, there line called “elam singham”, so Ahobhila mutt shisyas says all 30 paasurams are about SriNarasimha and not SriKrishna, though both are poorna avatars of Sriman Narayanan. So this a BhagavAt Anubhavam and is ones own individual choice which poorva avatar they like the most.
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham
🙂
next time when you sneeze in SriRangam premises, you should sneeze as “SriRanga” and not anything else. This is a BhagavAt Anubhavam, though VenkatRamana or Ranganatha both are poorna avatars of Sriman Narayanan.
True it’s pure anubhavam
Last time adiyen said Maddy utsavar (Madhavan) is more beautiful than SriRanganathar
Adhukkenna pandradhu? Enga Madhavan aachEy
Adiyen say Krishna while sneezing
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Dear Bhaktas,
Adiyen neither agree nor disagree with anyone. Adiyen is not knowledgeable enough to discuss on this. Let Adiyen give what Adiyen read.
“Katopanishad 2.1.10
Yateveha tadamudra yatamutra tadanviha; Mrtyoh sa mrtyumapnoti ya iha naneva pasyati.
(Acharya Bashya and author explanation without changing a single word)
Whatever is here, that is there. Whatever is there, that too, is here (the incarnational forms of God that are here in the body etc are same as original form of God that is in Vaikunta and vice versa. There is absolutely no difference between Mula-roopa and Avatara-roopas). He who sees difference (between Mula-roopa and Avatara-roopas) gets the death of death (ie Tamas).
Author Explanation:
Here, the absence of difference among different forms of God is stressed. There is no difference either between Mula-roopa and Avatara-roopas or between one roopa and another. To see any such difference is sinful and will lead to Tamas.”
(This is based on Madhva Bashya translated by Prof. K.T. Pandurangi, PhD in Vedanta).
One point to think. Hanuman was willing to see Maha Vishnu in Rama Roopa. But, did he compare qualities of Rama and Krishna?
Parasarabhattar said say Ranga in Srirangam. But, did he ever compare qualities of Venkatramana and Ranganathan?
In several speeches, Shri Velukkudi Swamy also said, “Rama and Krishna are like to like same in qualities”.
Per Adiyen’s Purvacharya, Adiyen is not dare enough to discuss difference in qualities.
However, let Adiyen not dis-agree with other Bakthas and object a beautiful discussion.
Please carry on. Adiyen will try to learn new things from the posts.
Sarvam Shri Krishnaarpanamastu!
For your info, Madhvacharya is third incarnation of Vayu Baghavan while Hanuman is his first incarnation. So, Hanuman in form of Acharya gave this Bashya to Katopanishad.
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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,
Nandri Bhakta for sharing Bhakta’s learning and understanding.
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrisharpanam Asthu
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Dear Bakthas,
Shri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy has posted his speech on the title “Divine Forms and Purposes of Sriman Narayana” in Kinchit Yuvavikas App.
Adiyen is in office and could not listen immediately, though Adiyen have downloaded. Will listen today evening.
However, from the title, Adiyen infer that the speech is about this topic.
For information to all Bakthas in Yuvavikas.
Sarvam Shri Krishnaarpanamastu!
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