Why 2 gods each for Srishti and Samharam?

Updated on August 27, 2022 in General
11 on January 23, 2022

Namaskaram to Sri Velukkudi Swami and all Bagavathas.

We say that Parkadal Vasudevan manifests himself as Sankarshanan, Pradyumnan and Anirudhan. We say that Sankarshanan is responsible for destroying while Pradyumnan is responsible for creation.

But we also say that Brahma is the God for creation and Shiva is the God for destroy.

Why there are 2 gods each for creation and destroy? How different is the role of Pradyumnan vs Brahma in creation process? And how different is the role of Sankarshanan and Shiva in the destroy process?

Kindly enlighten me. Thank you.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan.

 
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NTGK swamy namaskaram.

My understanding of this is: Pradyumnan and Sankarshanan are Chief Executive Officers who are in-charge of the overall process in all the universes. Brahma and Shiva are Executive Officers specific for each universe. The Executive Officers derive their abilities and powers from the respective CEOs.

This is my understanding. I hope someone with authoritative sastric knowledge can explain us with reference to scriptures / acharyas.

adiyen dasan. 

on January 24, 2022

Thank you Kambadsan swami. But Paarkadal is inside the Andakatakam only, so Viewga Vasudevan is in each Andakatakam only, right?

on August 26, 2022

Welcome back Kambandadan Swami 🙏adiyen🙏

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Oh yes! I had not thought about it this way; there is obviously a loop hole in my understanding. Let us wait for some knowledgeable bhagavatha to clear this.

adiyen dasan.

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0 on January 29, 2022

Adiyen remember vyasti shrishti samasti shristhi.

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0 on January 29, 2022

Also pralayam also different levels. Maha pralayam etc. So Perumal time pass ku yaraiyAvadhu assign panni iruppAr.

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0 on January 29, 2022

Unmaiylaiye perumalukku pozhudhu pogalai

Janma sthema BhangAdhi LeeLey

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3 on August 23, 2022

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham,

 

Poorna Avataram of BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA is classified as 5 types:

A) Para (Para VASUDEVAN in SriVaikuntam outside Material world/Leela Vibhoothi),

B) Vyuha (as below when he jumps to Material world),

C) Vibhava (avatars taken inside an Andam of the Material world like Sri Rama, SriKrishna etc..

D) Antaryamai (sitting Inside each of the JeevAthmas and monitoring us)

E) Archai (In idol forms in temples/homes etc…)

 

POORNA Avataram‘ is BhagavAn Sriman NARAYAN HIMSELF with “NO DISCHARGE” of powers to other Jeevathmas (devataaas).

Example: SriRama, SriKrishna, Sri Narasimha, Sri Varaha, SriVishnu etc… with ALL SUPREME SIX PRIMARY DIVINE QUALITIES (Kalyana Gunas) as

1.Gyana (Ultimate Knowledge),
2.Bhala (Ultimate Strength),
3.Veerya (Ultimate Valour),
4.Aishwarya (Ultimate Opulence),
5.Shakthi (Ultimate Energy),
6.Thejas (Ultimate Luster).

 

Vyuha Avatram B) is classified into VasuDeva, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Sankarshana.

1.Vadudeva Avatram: after jumping from SriVaikuntam to Material world before creating COUNTLESS ANDAM, HE is in Alamara Ilai as a baby prior to start creating the breakdown world’s/devas etc… Then HE takes three below Specific forms to utilize some of HIS Specific Divine Qualities (not all), so HE keeps specific names for such breakdown avatars.

2.Sankarshana Avatram utilizes Gyana & Bhala Qualities for TOTAL Dissolution.

3.Aniruddha Avataram utilizes Veerya & Aishwarya Qualities for TOTAL Protection.

4.Pradhyumna Avataram utilizes Shakthi & Thejas Qualities for TOTAL Creation.

These are BhagavAns DIRECT/POORNA Avatarams (No discharge of powers to other JeevAthmas yet).

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Now, there are two types of Creation process by Pradhyumnan :

1) Advaraka Shrishti or Samashti Shristhi (Primary creation) :

In Advaraka Shrishti (Primary Creation), below is what Pradhyumnan does:

First thing Pradhyumnan created the Outside layers of ONE Andam like a Jackfruit outside layers (like Shell first then Fruit inside):

‘1)அவ்யக்த ஆவரணம்

‘2)மஹத் ஆவரணம்,

‘3)அகங்கார ஆவரணம் (split to three Satvika, Rajasa, Tamasa Ahankarams)

‘4)ஆகாச ஆவரணம்

‘5)வாயு ஆவரணம்

‘6)அக்னி ஆவரணம்

‘7)ஜல ஆவரணம்

Then BhagavAn also now starts mixing the Prakruthi Pancha Bhoothams (Space, Water, Air, Fire, Land) by a process called “Panchikaranam” in proper proportions prior to creating the 14 lokas inside One Andam. 

Like this, Pradyumnan (Vyuha Avataram) creates Countless Andams. This is the answer to the initial question which Kambandasan BhagvAta has informed in creamy layer.

Then inside those EACH Andams, Pradyumnan (Vyuha Avataram) takes form as SriVishnu (Thirupaar kadal). So, One Pradyumaman (Vyuha Avatarm) lying outside EACH andams takes countless SriVishnu forms inside each Andams, as seen in this picture.

 

2) Sadvaraka Shrishti or Vyeshti Shrishti (Secondary creation)

After creating the BASE Countless Andams, “Pradhyumnan (Supreme ParamAthma) appoints One Brahma (a High level Punya Karma JeevAthma) for EACH Andam. Then BhagavAn residing as SriVishnu in that Andam teaches all Vedas/Shastras to Brahma on how to create further within that Andam like devataas, humans, animals, trees etc….., This secondary creation is done by Brahma called as Sadvaraka Shristi.

 

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So Vyuha Vasudevan (ONE Pradyumanan) is outside each Andam (there is no Thirupaarkadal), whereas the SriVishnu inside each Andam resides in THirupaarkadal located inside each Andam to support Brahma and do teh Protection role. Hope this answers ntgk BhagavAta’s question

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Likewise, One Shiva appointed by One Brahma inside One Andam takes care of the secondary dissolution (Sadvaraka Samharam) inside each Andam, and there are countless Brahma/Shiva, one for each Countless Andams. Now this Entire Countless Andams are dissolved by the ONE & ONLY Main President Shakarshanar (Sriman NarayanA) which is Primary Dissolution of all Andams (Advaraka Samharam).

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Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddyacharyAr) Dasan.

on August 25, 2022

@ElayaAlwar swami, thank you very much for your detailed explanation. However, I have one doubt from your explanation. I request you to kindly clarify the same.

If Pradhyumnan appointed Brahma for creation within Andam, then Sankarshanan should be appointing Sivan for dissolution, right? Why Brahma created Sivan instead of Sankarshanan?

on August 26, 2022

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

This secondary creation by Brahma is detailed in Srimadh BhagavAtam Canto 3 Chapter 12 Texts 4 through 10 talks of about these incidents about how Brahma creates other devatas to support his Kainkaryam towards BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA.

During this process, he creates Sanaka, Sananda, Sanatana and Sanat-kumara [the four Kumaras], but they refused to support his father Brahma for creation, since they wanted to be engaged in search of BrahmaM (Sriman NarayanAn) and not interested in  their fathers creation process.

Disrespected by his sons refusing to follow the order, Brahma did his best to curb anger that rose in him. But, he couldn’t, in-spite, out of his anger, straight from between his eyebrows, a child was born that had a color composed of red [for passion] and blue [for ignorance]. The child cried loudly to the father of all the gods: ‘Oh powerful one, oh ruler of destiny, assign me my names and tell me what my places are, oh teacher of the universe.. He (Brahma), as the all-powerful First Devata one born from the lotus of Sriman NarayaNa, thus being asked, complied with the request and gently pacified the child with the words: ‘Do not cry, I shall do what you want. Because you, oh chief of the demigods, as a boy were so anxiously crying loudly, the people will address you with the name Rudra (In Sanskrit ‘Rudra’ means ‘Crying’). Later Brahma retracted the creation assignment from Rudra, since due to his anger, he created many asuraas etc…

These Puranic incidents have been written in short by our PoorvAcharyas in Thirumazhsai AzhwAr’s Thaniyan as below due to Alwar’s divine beautiful prabandham named nAnmugan thiruvandhAdhi

நாராயணன் படைத்தான் நான்முகனை (Brahma) * நான்முகனுக்கு எரார் சிவன் (Shiva) பிறந்தான் என்றுச்சொல் * சீரார் மொழி செப்பி வாழலாம் நெஞ்சமே!*  மொய்பூ மழிசைப் பிரான் அடியே வாழ்த்து.

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Thus Maha Vishnu in Thirupaarkadal inside One Andam Created Brahma and Brahma in-turn created Shiva to support his Creation purpose, but later gave the responsibility of Dissolution to Shiva inside one Andam due his creation of Asuras initially as Rudra was born out of Anger of Brahma.

Brahma has direct contact with only SriMaha Vishnu inside the Thirupaarkadal and NEVER has any direct contact to Pradhyuman since Brahma has no powers to go outside an Andam and his assigned duties pertains inside one Andam. Same way Shankarshara is controller of dissolution of all Andams, and Shiva or Brahma don’t have ability go outside their own Andams, they are contained inside the Andams.

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Some People think SriVakuntam is closer to Sathya lokam above. Brahma’s Sathya Lokam is the top loka of the 14 lokas of One andam, and likewise there are Countless Andams, and SriVaikuntam (Parama Padham or Moksham) is beyond all these countless Andams past the Virajai Nadhi.

Velukkudi Swami has given a Beautiful Analogy in Upanyasam that, Like how we stand on the 1st floor of a home (Earth) and see the moon (SriVaikunta) as not reachable, same is the situation of a person (Brahma) in the 14th floor (14th loka) of the same building (Andam). So Brahma or Shiva even cannot image or see where is Sri Vaikuntam is?, They only have access to the Kaarya Vaikuntam that is inside One Andam where SriMahaVishnu /Perumal) resides.

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Finally at the time of Maha Pralayam after each Bramha’s 100 years, BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA (Shankarshanar) consumes all these creations ANdams, Pancha Bootham etc…, no more Brahma , no more Shiva and others etc… (shrinks to HIS Body like how a Peacock wraps this feathers to its body) and HE gives Moksham to these devatas depending up on their Kainkaryam during their job profile and also Moksham to others like us depending up on if we surrendered to BhagavAn Srimana NarayanAn for Nithya Kainkaryam or not with Acharya Krupai.

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Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) SrinivAsa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan

on August 27, 2022

Super Swamy
Dasanudasan

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