Another question is that while there are many sects like Shaiva, Shakta , Ganapatya, Kaumara , Saura and some other subsects and sects worship Lord Shiva as supreme while for Vishnu there is only Vaishnavism. So one Shaiva states that since so many worship Shiva so he must be greatest as said by a Shaivite. The Shaivite also said that even great acharyas like Sripad Vallabhacharya , Sripad Ramanandacharya , Tulsidas Goswami, SwamiNarayan etc also couldn’t prove Vishnu supremacy and hence considered conculsively Lord Shiva as supreme Conciousness.
I don’t want these thoughts and ideas to come but while searching spirituality online these ideas always seem to come. I feel helpless. I wanted to be truly spiritual but now I am getting confused as if some negative energy directing away from Vishnu. Pls help me and refute above claims
Adiyen
Why did Lord Vishnu create so many sects and sampradaars
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Hi Deb,
That’s okay. We all have been through this.
First, why so many sampradhayas?
VS: For Vishnu it’s a time pass.
I am not joking. It’s there in Mangala shloka of RamanujAchArya’s SriBashyam “Janma, Sthema, BangAdhi Leeley”.
Coming to count?
VS: There is a Press reporter Mr. Rangaraj Pandey he used to quote cinema superstar Rajnikanth as saying
“28 parties against one man”
Who is the strongest?
Coming to Sriman Narayana
VS: He is Second to None. Ekameva Adwitheeyam.
Of course if he was the only God it would be boring because we will have nothing else to discuss like this.
Coming to Proving Supremacy of Sriman Narayana
VS: I don’t know much about north. Come down south we have PeriyAzhwAr who proved the supremacy of Sriman Narayana against staunch shaivaites.
In fact, PeriyAzhwar went to such an extent that he got lost in the innocence of Sriman Narayana and started praying for almighty’s well being.
It’s called “PallAndu PallAndu in Tamil”.
He said long live Sriman Narayana
Narayana showed Sudarshan Chakra denoting nothing will happen as it’s a weapon
PeriyAzhwar thought that is also vulnerable & said long live Sudarshana Chakra
To a lay man, it will seen as to why someone would pray for God’s well being if he is almighty?
It’s called love 💗
Stupids don’t understand 💕 love
Love 💓 is blind
A child wanting mother to be okay is just normal.
Dasanudasan
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s punchline
“Don’t ask how a Sri Vaishnavi te should behave with other devatas
Ask how other devatas should behave with a Sri Vaishnavite”
Swamy referred from KoorathAzhwAn Swamy’s response who was a primary disciple of Sri RamanujAchArya
By the way, I feel, nobody would have drilled Vishnu like me being his own so-called Bhaktha
Dasanudasan
Sri Krishna Premi Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Why I am so-called Bhaktha?
A Bhaktha should have unconditional faith
Sri Krishna Premi Swamy says:
NyAna Yogi: Vairagyam (disattachment)
Karma Yogi: AchAram (Meticulous)
Bhakthi Yogai: Vishwasam (Faith)
I put conditions so I am “so- called”
Dasanudasan
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Let’s dwelve little deeper.
Why this Leela?
VS:
We are JeevAthmAs with unfulfilled Sanchitha Karma. Each one should fulfill its pending dues before joining it’s mother.
Now this will happen only if ShareerAthma Bandham that is the body-soul relationship.
For a soul which does not have any body during avyaktha state of creation or state like coma where nothing can be executed by JeevAthma in the absence of a body this soul will be distanced from Narayana for a longer time.
To reduce that there is some pickle required in this creation to stick on. What are they?
*Shiva
*Shakthi
*Ganapathy
*Kumaran
*Sooryan
These creates interest in life and let live. Imagine life without sun for example. So each one does their job to make this jeevAthma attached to birth-death cycle. Eg: Money, Fame, Astha Maha Siddhis etc.
The prominence of Shakthi is more in this Kali Yuga because it’s understood that Krishna gave Shakthi the boon during Maha Kali birth for a shorter span in Krishna AvathAram..
To keep JeevAthmA sticking on to this creation of Sriman Narayanan all these Demi gods were created.
Why JeevAthmA accumulated Karma?
VS: AthmA is anAdi, beginingless so must be it’s Karma. The point of “Why” Karma is attached to this JeevAthma in first place is unknown to me.
Scholars say there is no beginning of soul so this question does not have an entry point which I don’t accept.
Somewhere, Krishna should have injected Karma or allowed JeevAthmA to accumulate it’s own Karma by JeevAthmA fantasizing in one of the creation which lead to the seperation of JeevAthma from the lord.
PramANam is:
Sri Vedantham Ramanuja Mahadesikan Swamy
“WHEN SITA ATTACHED TO RAM GOLDEN DEER (ISHWARYAM) WENT AWAY WHEN SITA ATTACHED TO GOLDEN DEER (ISHWARYAM) RAM WENT AWAY”
In my poit if view, there should have been a logical beginning to Karma of a JeevAthmA when there could be an end.
“Sri Krishna in Gita says you have taken innumerable births”
It means the count does not have any sense. So they are saying Karma is anAdi too.
To my limited knowledge, it must have started at some point where Karma got attached to JeevAthmA at its own will by the awe of the creation.
That’s why Krishna allows Karma to be executed at JeevaathmA’s own will.
Dasanudasan
The Shaivite also said that even great acharyas like Sripad Vallabhacharya , Sripad Ramanandacharya , Tulsidas Goswami, SwamiNarayan etc also couldn’t prove Vishnu supremacy and hence considered conculsively Lord Shiva as Supreme Conciousness.
Why? And How? Pls answer the above
Adiyen
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Already told you
“Yadavaprakasa the Shaivite Guru himself became disciple of Sri RamanujAchAryA”
What else you want?
Also told PeriyAzhwar the father of Sri Andal (Kodhai Nachiyar) wife of lord Sri Ranganathan (the one who was prayed by SriRama himself) proved supremacy of Vishnu against staunch Shaivites.
Why don’t you take some efforts to read PeriyAzhwar?
See, how deep one can go is based on how much one gains knowledge.
ChatGPT can answer Quantum Physics to a 5 yr old but knowledge in that response will be limited to a 5 yr old.
There is a difference between 8th STD studying heart and cardiologist studying heart the basic definition itself will differ.
Heart is not just a blood pumping organ though it is.
You get me?
That Shaivite said, this Shaivite said. Let them say whatever they want.
Shankarar said
“Nahi Nahi Rakshathi DuhrunkaraNey”
Meaning the grammar of Veda will not save you so
“Baja Govindam”
Worship Govinda.
Baja Govindam is fake
Sri RamanujaAchArya is wrong
Sri Vallabhacharya is wrong
Tulsidas is wrong
Surdas is wrong
Kabirdas is wrong
Meerabai is wrong
Tukkaram is wrong
Namadevar is wrong
Nyanadevar is wrong
Sopanadevar is wrong
Matru Shri Tari Konda Vengamamba is wrong
Yet they declared themselves as SriVaishnavites?
Very interesting…
Let them be wrong for whoever think that way
Dasanudasan
Another thing why does Lord Vishnu not have powerful sons like Lord Shiva has who are Lord Ganesha and Lord Kartikeya. Lord Ganapati and Lord Kartikeya also have scriptures dedicated exclusively to them and they play an important part in Hindu worship and many worship them as ishta devatas this is showing that Lord Shiva is controlling many strong Gods then why doesn’t Lord Vishnu also have powerful sons or daughters
Adiyen
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Answered in another thread.
Also we should see, Sriman Narayana has enforced privileges to those Demi Gods / Ishta Devata (as u rightly pointed out)
So no point in insulting any of them
Dasanudasan
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