Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Parathantran (Independent) and Swathantran (dependent) are classified based on one’s on qualities,

JeevAthma has two qualities:
1. Gyana swaroopam (made of knowledge)
2. Sheshatvam/ Paarathantriyam (Servitude nature).

ParamAthma has 6 divine qualities:
1. Gyana (Knowledge),
2. Bhala (Strength),
3. Veerya (Valour),
4. Aishwarya (Opulence),
5. Shakthi (Energy),
6. Thejas (Luster)

If JeevAthma is “Independent”, by it’s nature it will suffer, because it doesn’t have that quality itself.

If ParamAthma is “dependent”, then there will be chaos, since there will no controller of Jeevathmas. So by nature ParamAthma is the only one who can be Independent, since JeevAthma doesn’t have these qualities.

However ParamAthma has given the JeevAthma “Jeeva Swathantriyam” which doesn’t make JeevAthma fully independent, rather this term means ” JeevAthma is independently dependent on ParamAthma”.

This is like mother giving freedom to her child to freely play in the children’s park, but with limitation within the park premises only, under the control of the mother. Why because the child doesn’t know the danger outside of mothers protection. So child is “independently playing but dependent on mother for her own protection”.

Hence, all Jeevathma’s in any bodies: Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc….Manushya (like us)……vruksha, thaavara etc….can ONLY BE ‘DEPENDENT (PARATHANTRAN)’ TO THE. ONE & ONLY ‘SWATHANTRAN (INDEPENDENT)’ PARAMATHMA SRIMAN NARAYANA for their own wellness.

Adiyen ElayaAlwar Srinivasa DhoddayacharyAr Dasan.

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

For ones own preethi, one can call own Acharyan as BhagavAn considering a specific Guna of BhagavAn as an example, BhagavAn has ‘Kaarunyam’, our Acharyan possesses the same. so we call Acharyan as BhagavAn or Perumal by literally comparing some specific gunas of Perumal.

Perumal THE Supreme has “Anantha Koti Kalyana Gunas (Countless Divine Qualities),…does every JeevAthma get everything in SriVaikuntam..answer from Upanishads by BhagavAn HIMSELF is..”NO”…..

We don’t need to go that far to refer Upanishads….very simple common sense if we lay back and sit calmly and think for an answer to specific question…..like, if we become Perumal as you mention accidentalty, SriMahaLakshmi is Thayar for every JeevAthma (Bhaddathma) in this Material world….you agree with that correct?….so I don’t need to ask further question, if JeevAthma becomes Perumal……can you imagine that……so don’t ever think bluntly and say we become Perumal……

So what gunas we get and what gunas we don’t get when we become MukthAthma in SriVaikuntam is as follows from Swami’s Upanyasams….

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During Samyapathi moksham a jeevan attains equality with Paramathma in 8 Gunas ONLY which are:
1. apahathapa:pma – not touched by sins
2. vijaraha – no old age
3. vimruthyuhu –no death
4. viso:kaha – no sorrow
5. vijigithsaha –no hunger
6. apipa:saha – no thirst
7. sathya ka:maha – stays with all kalyana guna and always wishes for the well being.
8. sathya sankalpaha– anything thought or wished for, becomes true

And a JeevAthma DOESN’T get these four UNIQUE Gunas/DIvine Qualties of ParamAthma “BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA” in SriVaikuntam.

1. Sriyapathithvam – Perumal with Piratti
2. Jagath Karanathvam – Which is further explained by 3 things – Akila Jagath Karana, Adbhudha Karana, Nish Karana. a) Akila Jagath Karanam since perumal is the cause for
the entire universe (Countless Andams with each Andam ouccupying saperate BhaddAthmas like one Brahma, one Shiva, one Indra etc…. b) Adbhudha karanam since perumal is hidden and we do not know about the relationship with him. c) NIsh karanam because he is causeless (No cause for HIS exiatence, HE exists for Anaadhi. More Details in this link about BhagvAn;s Shrishti.)
3. Moksha pradhathvam – Mukthi bhoomiyai kodukiravar
4. Vyapakathvam – Swaroopa daya vibhuthvam – Perumal is vibhu ( paranthu virinthhu irutthal) using his swaroopam and rest all are anu (atomic). Note that MahaLakshmi is also Vibhu since she is ParamAthmikai of perumal (means She is AntarAthma of Perumal).

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So we need to careful when we say why we are not Perumal,

So a MukthAthma is always a JeevAthma with “Gyana Swaroopam and Sheshatvam (Servant)” to ParamAthma who ONLY possesses all the Countless Divine Qualities.

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BhagavAn is the one who says these in Upanishiadhs and same BhagavAn is the one who is saying what gunas we will get and what we won’t get, and the same BhagavAn is the one who says HE will decide whom to give Moksham…..so I think, we need to be aligned with HIS thoughts reflected in Upanishads rather than aligning our thoughts to derail ourselves.

Adiyen ElayaAlwar DhoddayacharyAr Dasan.