Why tharathamyam existing between bhakthi?

Updated on December 18, 2022 in Karma
11 on December 17, 2022

Swamy, getting birth as a srivaishanava itself is a result of bagavat nirhetuka krupa. But why difference lie between sri vaishnava?
Like someone is getting born in great bhaktha’s family, they get few privileges as archaka or adyapaka or some sort of kainkaryam by birth and many don’t.
Some get born in family closely associated with a divya desam many don’t.
May be someone who has nithya kaikaryam seldom goes to temples but contrary a person who is not associated with it might have immense interest to severe the lord.

Some time Adiyen fell some getting “misplaced” to different family condition and situation and some get more than their interested in.

Adiyen just wanted to why such scenarios getting appeared as all sri vaishnava equally are blessed with emperuman, solely because of which we get an acharya sambandham and become srivaishna itself.

Daasan

 
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Swamy, I think it is because of their old karmas. 🙏

Adiyen

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4 on December 17, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Sri Seshadri Swamy
“archaka or adyapaka or some sort of kainkaryam by birth and many don’t” –
Society is full of ups and downs..These people will say Karma. Don’t believe.

Nobody is greater or lower in front of Bhagawan.

NyAnam can occur to a person at any time. There is no long or short Kainkaryam.. Duration doesn’t matter.

Man longs for
* POWER
*POPULARITY

THANNA ELLARUM OSATHI NU NENAIKANUM
These want power and control so they don’t allow us to touch.

Dasanudasan

on December 17, 2022

Vikram swamy, agreed.

Yes, society is full of ups and down.

But…..
If it is not based on their previous karma, then why some take birth in a sri vaishnava family and some take birth in a nastika family.

on December 17, 2022

If it is not based on karma, why some take birth in bharatha desam while others take birth in a mleccha desa.

Adiyen believe it is only because of their previous karma. Don’t know whether my assumption is correct or wrong.

Dasan

on December 18, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Being born in SriVaishnava family alone does not entitle one to be BhakthimAn.

Azhwar says Pulayar ayinum oppukolven if he accepts Narayana
Brahmin ayinum if not accepting God he is waste.

Birth does not matter Bhakthi matters.

The Paati who gave nAval pazham to Krishna what is her duration of Karma for Moksham?

Dasanudasan

on December 18, 2022

Swamy,
Did I said anything about bhakti in my reply ??
Where did I said bhakti is connected with birth ??

I just said, some are luckily born in a sri vaishnava family because of their past punya karmas.

I never connected bhakti with birth in my replies.

Dasan

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Shesadri Swami, While adiyen agrees with Sundara Ramanuja Dasan Swami, Why do you think an archaka inside the garbhagraham of Srirangam Temple is more blessed than a person who is thousands of miles away from Bharatham? Who knows what’s His leelai? adiyen knows a Bhagavatha who was born in a white butchers family but through the grace of an acharya, he has today built multiple temples, constructed and runs goshalas and patasalas, and distributes Krishna prasadam to hundreds every day. 

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Bhagavad Gita 6.41 & 6.42 gives answer to this question in seed form. Please hear upanyasam on this part and study. (It is better to hear this whole section instead of hearing only these two slokas)

e-books – SrI bhagavath gIthA (koyil.org)

http://githa.koyil.org/index.php/e-books/

adiyen dasan.

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Badri swamy, namaskaram. Let me share my understanding, please.

Whatever steps one takes towards spiritual life does not go waste. Suppose if one takes to a spiritual process but doesn’t reach the fully matured level in this life, in the next life (s)he starts from that point where (s)he left in the previous life. The life situations will be arranged accordingly. This applies to whatever process of yoga (karma, jnana or bhakthi) one is pursuing. As Perumal states in Bhagavad Gita 6.41 and 42, if one almost reaches there but falls just a little short, in the next life they are placed in a pious family.

With this understanding, it is definitely a ‘more blessed’ opportunity to be an archahar in the garba-grha – because all of one’s activities are directly related to Him; there is greater opportunity to hear sat vishayam, associate with sat-sanga, and thus perfect one’s life. In contrast, if one is placed in a non-devotional situation, the distractions are gallore! It takes a lot more effort to keep one’s mind fixed upon the goal of life – service to the Lord throughout the day.

 

But there is a caveat. Kaliyuga is a very dangerous place; even when one is born in a favourable situation (like archahar family), there is a great danger of getting distracted by desires for material things and get ourselves further entangled in this mire. In contrast, kaliyuga has the great benediction that by the glance of an acharya, even someone born in the worst-est situation can make significant spiritual progress. 

In light of this, we don’t have to worry about the situation we are placed in this life; whatever situation we are in, in this condition let us be grateful for our acharyan’s anugraham and be very careful not to get distracted. Strongly hold on to acharyan’s lotus feet, avoid any form of vaishnava aparadh, and plead Him to take us back soon.

adiyen dasan.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Often in bhakthi forums adiyen hear “fully matured level in this life”

Nobody says what that level is.

கொக்கு என்று நினைத்தாயோ கொங்கணவா?
கிரிஹினி is more matured than the Tapasvi.

What is “fully matured level”
When did Krishna bring that scale?

What if archakar become materialistic inspite of touching Narasimhan?

ArpaNa Buddhi is only de-facto standard for anyone.Whether Archana or normal bhaktha in queue it never matters.

Thirukkachi nambigal talked to Varadan
Udayavar took that Swamy as means

Who is seemingly more blessed?

While Thirukkachi Nambigal asked for Moksham , Perumal stated AchArya Sambandham.

Now who is really blessed?

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

According to AchArya Hrudhaya of Sri ManavALa Maa Munigal kAlakshEpam, Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy explained

“SwAthanthriyam”

Is more prominent in GuNas.

Keeping this as baseline, it is the SwAthanthriyam of Sriman Narayana that decides what one should get.

Swamy went on to explain why the GuNa is more important

“Even if a jeevAthmA has done some mistakes, Sriman Narayana can give Moksham”. He is “Unquestionable”

Therefore, our Karma scale is lesser effective when Sriman Narayana can do anything irrespective of what you do.

Now, adiyen had a question, is there a remote possibility of Sriman Narayana thinking of some very old janma sin and punish a Bhaktha inspite of him/her being devoted in current life? 🤔

Can SwAthanthriyam work both ways?

Dasanudasan

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