Seri appo yEn Vibheeahana Swamy vigraham illa? He chose shortest path algorithm la?

Sharanagathy can be done for different puposes not just for Moksham. Like Draupathi did Sharanagathy for Vastram (not for Moksham), so at the end of her life, she went to Swargham and not SriVaikuntam.

Same way, Vibheeshana did Sharanagathy to escape from his brother Ravana’s torture and also he did Sharanagathy for Rajyam. So SriRama did PattAbhishekam to VIbhishana, and Vibhishana didnit do Sharanagathy for Moksham.

Dear KogilPiratti swamy, namaskaram.

“Vibheeshana saranagathi and Draupathi saranagathi are not complete saranagathi; only conditional saranagathi” this idea you have presented is new to me. So I would like to request you to confirm the source of this conclusion please. Have you heard from any bonafide source (acharaya in our sampradaya or any other bonafide Vaishnava sampradaya) which explicitly states that their saranagathi was only conditional, or is this conclusion arrived by your own analysis based on hearing from some acharya.

If it is explicitly stated so by some acharya then I will accept it; if it is your analysis and conclusion, then I will take it with a pinch of salt until I get it verified by any acharya.

Kindly confirm the source of your conclusion.

Thank you very much.

adiyen dasan.

Source from Swami’s discourses and GuruParamparai. But, VIbhishana was a Dharmikan though brother of Ravan, and VIbhishana did Sharanagathy for SriRama Kainkaryam as well. That’s why, our Poorvacharyas portray a lot about VIbhishana Sharanagathy as an example to show how to do Sharanagathy, though the end result was different as PattAbhishekam and Sri Ramanuja Kainkaryam (though the ultimate purpose if life),
but He didn’t do it for Moksham.

Swami has said that, we should elevate ourselves from Upanyasams to Kalakshepams if we need to know the actual Swapedhesa Arthams (clear/in-depth knowledge) rather than just knowing Saamanya Arthams (simple straight forward meanings) from Enpani or Upanyasams.

So, Please check with Swami or BhagavAtas own Acharyan or with other Upanyasakars for Kalakshepa Arthams.

Moreover, Swami has said that Srimadh Ramayanam us also called as “Sharanagathy Shastram”, there are numerous examples if Sharanagathy and the purpose for it is done.

Poorvacharyas says, from each type of Sharanagathy, we learn each items.

Like there is a list criteria after Sharanagathy called “MAHAVISHWASAM” on BhagavAn’s lotus feet, like whatever happens to us, we should have FULL FSITH that it is for our own good and BhagavAn will save us. In Sugreeva Sharanagathy on SriRama’s lotus feet for Vaali vadham, he doubhted the calibher of SriRama after Sharanagathy (NO MAHAVISHWASAM) and tested SriRama if HE is capable or not. The result us, in the 1st fight between Sugreeva and Vaali, SriRama let it go and Sugreeva was veaten-up like hell by Vasli. Second time, Sugreeva didn’t doubht SriRama’s calibher after getting advice from a BhagavAta (Sri Lakshmana), and had MAHAVISHWASAM on SriRama’s lotus feet, so Sri Ramanuja killed Vaali due to Sugreeva Sharanagathy and following the post criteria MAHAVISHWASAM, though the Sharanagathy is not for Moksham.

Same way, Draupathi did Sharanagathy on SriKrIshna’s lotus feat during the Vastra haranam, but she believed her 5 husband’s (actually 5womens) will save or the older senior WOMEN’S like Bhishma, Drona, Dhridharashtra etc…will save her, but in vain and they all were watching. Finally when the attrocious women ‘dhushassnan’ started doing his act, then Draupathi had MAHAVISHWASAM on SriKrIshna’s lotus feet with her Anjali hands raised, so BhagavAn saved her.

Though these Sharanagathy was not done for Moksham, the lesson learned is, how we can follow the post Sharanagathy criteria MAHAVISHWASAM on BhagavAn’s lotus feet.

If we don’t follow the post Sharanagathy criteria, then our Sharanagathy (prapatthi) WILL NOT YIELD RESULTS, even though the purpose is for Moksham or Material benefits.

நம்ம வேஷ்டியை இல்லை புடவையோ யாராவது இழுத்தால், அப்பா தெரியும் நம்ம MAHAVISHWASAM. So we know that don’t have MAHAVISWASAM at all.

Hence, for Moksham, due to our incapability to follow 1) Upasana Maargham, and due to incapability to follow the 2) Sharanagathy maargham post criteria MAHAVISHWASAM, SriRama the SUPERSTAR gives the 3rd Maargham to Moksham as 3) “Acharya/BhagavAta Abhimaanamey Uddharakam“, means relying on Swami Ramanujar’s Krupai, since we all are Sinners and incapable to follow any Shatram prescribed maarghams for Moksham.

Hence, Poorvacharyas say, we shouldn’t judge others as “who will go to Moksham”, rather we should start thinking that the Same KRUPAI of Swami Ramanujar that is showered on us also gives Moksham to others whether they DID OR DIDNOT do Samasratanam/Prapatthi/Pancha Samskaram, it doesn’t matter, since the key is “RAMANUJA SAMBHANDHAM” gives Moksham, and Panchasamskaram/Prapatthi/ssmasrayanam is ONLY one of the way to get Ramanuja Sambhandham for Moksham. Swami has said, There are total 15~18 ways to get Ramanujaya Sambhandham. So SriRama gives Moksham to anyone who has Grattitude towards Swami Ramanujar, irrespective of
Panchasamskaram/Prapatthi/ssmasrayanam.

This 3rd Maargham for Moksham is called
“AcharyaAbhimaanamey Uddharakam”.

So we all present Panchasamskaram/Prapatthi/Samasrayanam people need to remember these, and live humbly respecting every others, irrespective of their appearance/kulams/Sampradhayam/religions, since SriRama gives Moksham to anyone who has Grattitude towards Swami Ramanujar, irrespective of Panchasamskaram/Prapatthi/ssmasrayanam.

Dear Kongil Piratti swamy, namaskaram.

Thank you for confirming that your post is indeed based on what is explicitly stated by acharyas in Kalashepam. and not self-interpreted.

The main reason that triggered the doubt in me is that your earlier post said Vibheeshana surrendered out of fear for Ravana. I couldn’t get myself to accept this statement because Vibheeshana was bravely urging Ravana himself to submit to Lord Rama. So ‘fear’ is not the motivating factor for him to surrender to Raghava. Vibheeshana was always a devotee of Perumal and his focus was always on doing the right thing. And therefore when it was time for him to make a decision he went straight to Sugreeva and through him approached Raghava.

Regarding Draupadi’s surrender different acharyas have shared insights from slightly different perspectives. So, as long as your answer is based on one of the authentic sources and not self-interpreted, it is good. Thank you.

adiyen dasan.