நமக்கு அமையும் சில சூழ்நிலைகளை முற்றிலுமாக தவிர்ப்பது கடிணம்தான். அது மெது மெதுவேதான் ஏற்படும். அதுவரை தாமரை இலை மேல் தண்ணீர் போலே ஒட்டாமல் இருக்க பழகிகொள்வோமாக. சூழ்நிலைகளை மாற்றி அமைக்கும் படி பகவானிடம் பிரார்திப்போமாக.  

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

Dear Choodamani BhagavAta and ALL BhagavAtas, who are in similar situation,

Some elaborated answer with Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Arul and ACHARYA Krupai from different threads that adiyen posted before.

Sri Velukkudi Swami in an Acharyas Vaibhavam upanyasam says about Poorvachayars Vaarthaigal (holy words) to future BHaktas TO FOLLOW as much as posible in any circumstances, though it is really a tough task in this Kali YUga.

Adiyen will try to put together based on adiyens understanding from Swami’s Pravachanams.

1) Saha Bhojana Yogyar (சஹ போஜன யோக்யர்)

(Ahara Niyanamanam)

a) While cooking, think or chant or murmer about BHagavAN/Acharya Naamas to make the THaligai Sathvik. ANy other thinking while cooking will make the food Rajas/Tamas.

Ex: If one thinks about their family sorrow or thinks vengence about someone and cooks, then if we eat such food (though vegeterian), then we will get their gunas as well.

So, eating vegetarian itself cooked by someone, will enduce their gunas into us and we wil start behaving slowly like them over a time of time.

b) Avoid Rajas/Tamas vegeterian foods like Onion, Garlic, Mushroom primarily and the list is more as well.

c) Eat only Vegetarian food as Prasadham (after offering to SriKrishna).

d) While having Prasadham (Food, Water), think about BhagavAn and avoid any talking or different thinking/watching something in TV or cellphone etc….

The whole purpose is to:

* Cook Sathvik food by (follow a) & b)) and

* Offer to SriKRishna in our Prayer Room (follow c)) and then

* Give it back to SriKrishna in our Stomach who is residing as JAATARA AGNI (follow d)).

So, all these three purpose should be served while eating food/Water.

2) Saha Vaasana Yogyar (சஹ வாசன யோக்யர்)

a) Choose whom we should Live with, and choose whom we should invite in our home and choose where we should stay if we go outside, and choose who should be our companion, freinds etc.. Basically try to avoid any bad persons within family relatives or outside.

b) Each of their Gunas affects our Gunas as well.

If they are Sathvik persons, then we will be Sathvik.

If they are Rajas, or Tamas or even Naasthikas, then we will slowly become like them as well.

c) So being always in Sathvik Satsangam is necessary all time, since this Samsaram is Gora-Saagaram, which will drag us into padu kuzhi.

d) Try to enlighten and transform them with Yatha Shakthi to make them Sathvik with BHagvan/Acharya Grace. If it is beyond about capacity, then don’t do Visha Parichai. Just leave it and pray BhagavAn for wellness.

3) SammBHashana Yogyar (சம்பாஷணை யோகியர் )

Choose whom we should Talk with and who we should avoid talking. Same scenario applies.

If we keep telling spiritual things to persons who like arguing/debating without any intention of impkementing the good things in their life, then their bad buddhi may overpower us

Acharyas says, even after we try to explain them about Spirituality with our Yatha Shakthi (ones own Ability), stillvtgey those talk about Just Lowkikam &/or Naasthikam and no BHagavAn and Moksham, then avoid them (no choice), since “AVANGALUDAYA GUNAMUM NAMAKKU OTTIKIDUM. SLOWLY OUR NISHTAI WILL REDUCE”.

However, Slowly after going through hardships, they will understand the reality, but we should keep praying  for their Athma Ujjivanam (Wellness/Moksham) on Swami Ramsnujar”s Lotus Feet, since we were also like them in our past life, and some other BhagavAta/Acharya prayed to BhagavAn for our benefit like Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Prayed on our behalf.

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Regarding “Though i am not 100% fit for Moksham,”, 

Don’t worry, we all are in same situation. Keep saying “Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha” and Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami will deliver us Moksham in this SAME BIRTH. Ma Suchaha.

So, we need to remember these above three things and apply in any circumstances whereever possible with BHagavAN and Acharya Ramanujar Grace , and Swami Ramanujar will defenitely help by showering HIS NIRHEDUKAI KRUPAI (CAUSELESS MERCY) and  be in Sathvika Satsangam always like SriVelukkudi Krishnan Swami’s Satsangam.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,

Sarve Janaha Sukhino Bhavanthu,

Sarvam Sri Krishna Kudumbham.

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

What’s wrong in talking about materialism to them? It’s like telling spiritual people are not fit to gel in the society. That’s incorrect perception. Spirituality is mostly an individual experience. If they have same wavelength there will be a common point of discussion in any topic for that matter not just spirituality. Else we keep smiling and keep talking about new cars , buildings jewels just to make them happy.

We cannot force religion or spirituality on to anyone.

This will be adiyen’s approach. They will get spiritualism when time ripes.

Chowkidar Kongil PirAtti Swamy

Adiyen is 100% fit for moksham. Swamy Desikan says sin is the food to thAyAr. If that’s the case adiyen have committed more sins So adiyen is the fittest for moksham.

Dasanudasan

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi kriKrish Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

Dear Vikram BhagavAta,

Those are Poorvacharyas statements through Swami’s upanyasams for those who are INTERESTED to follow for BhagavAn’s Happiness. BhagavAn transduces the highest knowledge through Acharyas ThiruvAdi to us.

We become 100% fit for Moksham due to THAYAR’S kataksham due to HER Kaarunyam to forgive our sins., that doesnt mean we dhould keep doibg sins and give Jasgtam tilo Thayar. Swami Desikans ThiruUllam needs to be understood properly. What BhagavAtava is saying is exactly same meaning as above posting “Don’t worry, we all are in same situation (means we are sinners). So Keep saying “Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha” and Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami will deliver us Moksham in this SAME BIRTH( forgiving our sins). Ma Suchaha”.

Swami Desikan says two types of people quest for Moksham.

1st type people:
Who like to listen to Poorvacharyas/Rishis words as much as possible with Yatha Shakthi (ones own Ability) and pray on BhagavAn lotus feet to forgive us for things that couldn’t be followed, then such people undergo less sufferings due to BhagavAn being happy and Moksham at end of life with Acharya Krupai.

2nd type people:

Swami Desijan says in one of the Desikans Prabhandham that “Anthanar Anthiyar Nondhavare Mudhal Avaar “அந்தணர் அந்தியர் நொந்தவரே முதல் ஆவார்”  for Moksham. Means whether it is any varnas people starting from Anthanar (Brahmins) to the Anthiyar (non Brahmin),  who didn’t follow or denied 1st type, then it means we choose by ourselves to  suffer (hardships) a lot, then finally we come to Sharanagathy asking for Moksham, like all of us, Which is what adiyen mentioned above as:

“However, Slowly after going through hardships, they will understand the reality,”

and also further positive approach for benefit of people who suffer 

but we should keep praying  for their (suffering peoples) Athma Ujjivanam (Wellness/Moksham) on Swami Ramsnujar”s Lotus Feet, since we were also like them in our past life, and some other BhagavAta/Acharya prayed to BhagavAn for our benefit like Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Prayed on our behalf”.

If BhagavAta or adiyen, chose to be in 2nd type people, then that is ones own personal decision, to get Moksham at end if the life with Acharya Krupai through hardships.

But BhagavAta or adiyen can be WISE and shift from 2nd type to 1st type of people and live peacefully with Acharya Krupai and get Moksham at end of life.

So let’s be in 1st type of people:
Who like to listen to Poorvacharyas/Rishis words as much as possible with Yatha Shakthi (ones own Ability) and pray on BhagavAn lotus feet to forgive us for things that couldn’t be followed, then such people undergo less sufferings due to BhagavAn being happy and Moksham at end of life with Acharya Krupai.

AND,

we should keep praying  for their (suffering peoples) Athma Ujjivanam (Wellness/Moksham) on Swami Ramsnujar”s Lotus Feet, since we were also like them in our past life, and some other BhagavAta/Acharya prayed to BhagavAn for our benefit like Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Prayed on our behalf”.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Dasan,

Swami Vedantha Desikan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,

Arpudham and Nandri Swami enpani #1457 for this topic. Kotaana Koti DhandavAt Pranaamam to Devareer Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalukku..

As Devareer always say, we need to use a Uvamaanam(Materialistic Reference) to explain the Uvameyam(Divine Object/Subject to be known).

Like Devareer use Uvamaanams like Wifi, Internet, Photos, X-ray etc…to explain the Uvameyam. But some can say these are unauthorized quotations since Poorvacharyas never quoted such examples in the past, but Devareer not to worry, since Acharyas has said we should pick current Materialistic examples that are decent to explain, otherwise it will be Varattu Gyanam and will be difficult to explain to make people understand. Adiyen has observed some other BhagavAtas use “Ice cream” word to explain BhagavAt Gita content. So others can also say this word “Ice cream” is prohibited by Acharyas and it unauthorised quotation, but the truth is, the whole intent of the conversation needs to be understood, if Uvamaanams (Materialistic examples) are needed to explain Uvameyam, then yes it should be used, but the content shouldnot have any Aabhaasam, that Is the primary thing that we should focus.

Following Devareer footsteps, adiyen also use some decent Uvamaanams like Car, Manufacturer manual, decent lyrics from movies and so many etc…and adiyen will continue to adiyens capacity to explain the Uvameyam in necessary threads. Nandri Swami for Approving adiyen for the “4 daily routines” thread when adiyen used some Uvamaanam song to condemn the pseudo-dharmis and Adharmis for the routine1 (Soodhu) and mentioned routine 2 “Adi Dhadi”, to explain the Uvameyam (Divine subject), then Devareer aporoved it by saying in next day enpani #1404 by saying about “three things kadal-mukhil-mani vannan same as adiyen compilation word “adi-thadi” mentioning about three things, plus devareer approved by saying about Uvamaanamvneccesdities to explain Uvameyam (BhagavAn)”.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/4-daily-routine-of-devotees-how-to-bring-these-awareness-to-others/

So for Jolly,

In present situation during our life period, Our “Raja (Mudhalaali)  is our Sri Velukkudi Swami.

So Adiyen would like to dedicate another Uvamaanam (Materialistic reference) from “Nallavanukku Nallavan movie” for Uvameyam (Devareer Sri Velukkudi Swami),

நல்லவருக்கு நல்லவரு நாணயந்தான் உள்ளவரு
தொழிலாளி வர்க்கத்திலே ஒருத்தரா இருப்பவரு
நல்லாயிருக்கனும் நாளும் சிரிக்கணும்
எல்லா மனசுகளும் வாயார வாழ்தணும்
நம்ம  முதலாளிகளில்  நல்ல முதலாளி, 

வெள்ளை மனம், பிள்ளை குணம் உள்ள முதலாளி…….Our Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami…,??????

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,

Rajadhi Raja Sri Velukkudi Krishnan MahaRAJA Ki Jai,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

Srimatae Ramanujaya Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

Dear Kambhan Dasan BhagavAta,

Adiyens perception from BhagavAta’s comment is that BhagavAta is a interesting character and has some pre-conceived mind. 

Either way, for BhagavAtas reference:

First of all, for first time adiyen noticed BhagavAta mentioning to Vikram BhagavAta about adiyens name in this above thread about adiyen’s reference to Movie songs. Since this is Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s Dharma Sandeha forum, hence it is adiyen’s responsibility to clarify to Swami about adiyen’s stance that adiyen is following Swami’s foot steps about Uvamaanam and Uvameyam references picking some decent lyrics for explanation in simplicity, which other Upayasakars and Acharyas also use in their Upanyasams, and it is not necessary to clarify to BhagavAta since BhagavAta is not asking the question to adiyen directly for clarification..

Consider when Swami says about Wifi, Internet as Uvamaanam to explain Uvameyam,. In this case, lets consider some other person who used to browse bad things in Internet, and later repented for it and came to Sharanagathy and then they stopped such browsing, and to over come such memory from their Chittham (mind), they will avoid the whole Internet itself, which is genuine from their view point. At the same time, lets consider, the very same person happen to hear Swami’s Enpani about Uvamaanam “Internet” example, then they feel immediately obsessed with Internet, due to their past life browsing history, and can refute to Swami NOT to use such examples. Another incident, Swami recently said in an Enpani that in Swami’s facebook, someone put comment after hearing Swami’s Enpani about Tamil in Singapore, that “why Swami is talking about Tamil Mozhi” Adiyen feeling is, “In TamilNadu, primarily the Nasthikam people talk about Tamil Mozhi Sangam etc…, so adiyen believe the facebook tweet person is genrally obsessed if anyone says about Tamil Mozhi Valarppu, hence that person immediately tweeted to Swami’s Enpani”. Is this Swami’s fault?. NO correct. So, does it mean Swami should avoid talking about Tamil Mozhi Valarppu. This is incorrect, so We have to talk about Tamil Mozhi, since it is needed, and Swami have to continue for welfare of others”.

So, there will be always someone whose life history (past bad memories) willnot allow them to intake even some good materialistic examples. So, can we say Swami not to use “Internet” example”.

It is same thing, Dhushyant Sridhar Swami used example “as Perumalai Paarkka Paarka dhann Pidikkum” to inform about Perumals Kalyanan Gunam “Dhristhi Chitta Paphaarinaha means, while we keep seeing Perumal, Our Sight and our Mind will be stolen by Perumal”.

Also, Swami Karunakaracharyar used example from 1^st Endhiran tamil movie climax scene, when the movie hero says that “Red chip (Bad Memory) remove pannitta Namakku Nalla Buddhi Varum”, Idhu Dhaan BhagavAt Gita esssence”. Does it mean, Swami is recommending to watch movie. We shouldnot understand Acharyas statements in opposite way. The correct perception is, “When we happen to see some materialistic things in Youtube etc any Good Lowlikakm (avod bad Lowkikam at all times), then due to our involvement in Sampradhayam, we start looking every materialitic things in Samprdhayam view point like the above Acharyas, Upanyaskaras view point. This is called “Thaamarai Illayil Thanner Pola Vazhuvadu”. Just verbal saying is not enough, we have to implement it in our life. BhagavAta willl also feel so much relieved from Varattu Gyanam to Sneha Gyanam. We can feel lot of difference in our life, when we are in such situations, instead of frustrating, lets relax and turn the frustration to relaxation. Adiyen posted another thread how to do this. Please read with Open mind and enjoy. There are other BhavaAtas comments in these thread who face similar situations but now turned that unavoidable situations to relaxation. We all are wise under Acharya ThiruVAdi and we understand what is meant by Involving in Lowkikam and pick good Lowkkima examples in our favour.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/relating-movie-songs-to-spiritual-words-in-practical-world/

 Adiyen has heard in Swami’s upanyasam that KatoUpanishad says, “Perumaalai Sangeethathil, Isayil, Naatagatthilum Paarkka Pazhaga Avendum”, that doesn’t mean we are considering the actor as BhagavAn. In present day, Naatakam is Movie. But avoid bad movie, or scenes, or lyrics , and pick only good Sangeetham, Isai, Naataka (movie escenes) etc.. if necessary to relate as per Acharyas, but not a compulsion.

So BhagavAta’s perception about picking movie lyrics obsession is something that BhagavatA have to self comeover it (Thamarai Ilayil Thanner Pole Vaazha Vendum), since movie (naatakam) itself is not bad, but we should avoid bad aspects of anything anywhere.

So, there will be always someone whose life history (past bad memories) willnot allow them to intake even some good materialistic examples.

BhagavAta need not fear that Bhaktas who are in Sampradhayam will turn back to Movies, in that case, same scenario applies for using WhattsApp, Wifi etc… So BhagavAta not to worry. BhagavAN ThiruvAdiyil Iruppavargalukku yeppodhum Nanmai dhaan nadakkum, no going backwards.

Adiyen is now addressing/answering to BhagavAta, since adiyen is only aware now from this particular thread that BhagavAta is addressing to adiyen for some clarifications to clear BhagavAta’s mind, ….So adiyen is answering with Swami’s Arul and Acharya Krupai. and Honestly adiyen did not understand what BhagavAta mean by Bhagavata try to convey before etc. What BhagavAta tried to convey?

As far as BhagavAta’s other statements about adiyen like “ego, “i,m right or you are right” etc….. is BhagavAta’s own perception about adiyen, and not adiyen’s statements anywhere. So, BhagavAta needs to reconcile and channelize on BhagavAtas’ thought process. So, adiyen is NOT responsible for BhagavAta’s statements/perception about adiyen.

Adiyaargal Vaazha ArangaNagar Vaazha, Kadal Soozhndha Mannu Ulagham Vaazha, Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamiye Innum Pala Kodi Oru Nootraandu Irumm.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri Mukkur Lakshmi Narasimha AchAryar Swamy used to say one story jokingly. A bhaktha was there on Tirumala once every year saying “GOHINDA due to you only this year all crops grew well”

Mukkur Swamy wanted to.correct that devotee to say “GOVINDA”.

Later refrained thinking what if he says “GOVINDA” and that year he did not get good crop? He will stop.his BHAKTHI.

So BHAKTHI on Govindan is more important and priority than anything else

Dasanudasan

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,

Dear KambhaDasan BhagavAta,

That’s fine. Take your (BhagavAta’s) time. We all are same ThiruvAdi of Swami Ramanujar through our own Acharyas via Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s Arul. So we are only sharing our thought process from different perspectives. Hence adiyen do agree BhagavAtas concerns, which are valid. Honestly Adiyen don’t know completely who wrote the lyrics or their background. Every good word’s originated from BhagavAns creation, and there can be coincidences of some spiritual sentences in movies as well. For those who haven’t watched movies, may not even relate it to movies.

Like an example in Dhasathavaram movie though a nasthika has acted in it, there is a song called “Kallai Mattum Kandaal Kadavul Theiyaadhu”…..

கல்லை  மட்டும் கண்டால் கடவுள் தெரியாது,
கடவுள் மட்டும் கண்டால கல்லடி தெரியாது 
If you visualize only the idol, you cannot see the god.
If you can see only the god, you’ll not feel the pain.

எட்டில் ஐந்து ஏன் கழியும் என்றும், ஐந்தில் எட்டு ஏன் கழியாது?
அஷ்ட அக்ஷரம் ஏற்கும் நெஞ்சம், பஞ்ச அக்ஷரம் பார்க்காது.
Ashtaksharam – ஓம் நமோ நாராயணாய
Panjaksharam – நம சிவாய
A mind that believes in Ashtaksharam (Om Namo Narayanaya contains 8 tamil letters – ashta akshar) cannot see Panjaksharam (Nama Sivaya contains 5 tamil letters – paanch akshar).

ஊன கண்ணில பார்த்தால் யாவும் குற்றம் தான்,
ஞான கண்ணில் பார்த்தால் யாரும் சுத்தம் தான்.
One who sees with corrupt eyes can see only fault,
but one who can see with divine eyes can see only purity.

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So we cannot deny the CONTENT of the lyrics though acted and directed by a nasthika, since it is taken from whole sampradhayam. Can we stop saying “Asthaksharam” since a nasthika has used it in movies.

So we should take it lightly.

Also there is a saying in Sampradhayam as “Yatherchaya Sukritham” means blessings received from BhagavAn, though one did a good thing even though it was accidental and it didn’t come from their heart. Still BhagavAn blesses them and removes some of their karma’s, and then there is some change in their life, Slowing due to circumstances, the nasthika after some point in their life, either in same birth or future birth, they turned into Asthikas like us from previous janma’ to this janma.

So நம்ம நால நாஸ்திகருளுக்கு  பெருமாளுடய “Yetherchaya Sukritham” கிடைக்குதுன்னா , கிடைத்திட்டு போகட்டுமே, அவர்களும் நாளை அடியார்கள் ஆகட்டமே.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri Kambandasan SwAmy Thiruvadigalukku Pallandu
Sri KongilPiratti Swamy Thiruvadigalukku Pallandu

As Kambandasan say being Strict is always good and preferred. Anubhavam of each jeevAthmA differs.

Some like to sing and dance in front of Krishna

Some wish to say Sthothram

So adiyen like living being want to enjoy with Perumal than telling karadu muradu Sanskrit shlokams

Adiyen do agree we can lessen or minimize the quotations on cinematic reference because it will dilute the essence (sAra thamam) of Sath Vishayams

Kadaisiyila ninaivu Dhanush padathukku poidum

Ipdi dhAn Jata Bharathar pulli mAn mela ninaivu kondAr!

Enakku enna Bayam na
Adiyen death bed la kilambumpodhu actor “Dhanush” nyAbagam vandhu adutha janmathula Dhanusha porandhu tholachuttenna? ?

Adiyen do agree KarunAkarachAr Swamy or Dushyanth Sridhar SwAmy quoted:

“பார்த்தா பிடிக்காது பார்க்க பார்க்க தான் பிடிக்கும்”

It is for new audience pAmara janangal. They won’t say the same in Vidwat Sadas.

One more quote from APN Swamy where Swamy regularly says “KAlidAs was ignored due to SringAra Rasam only”

If high poetical literature is aligned with Perumal BhAgavatha accept it

If poetry is without divinity it is outright REJECTED by BhAgavathAs

Same way KongilPiratti Swamy, what Kambandasan Swamy meant was “we have high standards”

That’s the way we should take that comment. We improve each day. Dasanudasan

Adiyen always realize slowly only

Any BhAgavatha apachAram please kshamikka prArthikkirom
????????

Dasanudasan