Is there a Pre-determined root/cause(basket of papas) for major Horrible Mishaps in life?

Updated on January 29, 2022 in General
19 on December 17, 2021

Namaskaram Swamy,

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah,

Swamy daily we listen to news of major accidents, rapes, violence, disasters etc, in which certain individual may get affected or group of individuals get affected.

Do such incidents to individuals people have a pre-determined cause/root/seed which fructifies to cause such mishaps? For example, say a person is a big punya-Atma (i.e he has lot of punyas), can such an accident happen to such a person? or if a person has a big of papas (Prarabdha Karma) and he/she has to experience its phalam through one of such mishap which is pre-determined?

adiyen has previously that being in samsaram, these kinds of major mishaps may happen at any time without any cause(?) due to nature of being samsara sagara. But when certain individual experience such major mishaps, it does seem that certain basket of papas have got fructified via this mishap?

Thanking you,

Gautam

 
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1 on December 18, 2021

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

If all had collectively stuck to our traditional paathashal /Gurukool school of education and other cultural aspects like organic farming and Go raksha, probably such things might not have happened.

But difficult to tell whether it is pre-determined or not. It is a tough one. Usually it is not predetermined.

But irrespective of why it was so, if we know what needs to be done now, that should be good.

Also even though we may know what needs to be done, there are many things we cannot do and there are some things we can do, we can start with those with which we can do now.

adiyen

 

 

on December 18, 2021

Apologies ,

I wanted to post the above reply for the other thread.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/invasions-and-colonization-of-punya-karma-bhumi-pre-destined/

not for this one.

Adiyen

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1 on December 20, 2021

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

If adiyen properly remember, Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy has told “no use validating papa punya only forward thinking helps”.

How to reach Krishna Charan is more important. Let Krishna take care of our burden.

Just now listened to Swamy’s tiruppavai upanyasam

Mayanai vadamadurai maindanai

In that Swamy says “Why Vasishtar’s Sri Rama pattabhishekam could fail why Gopika vratham will always be successful”

Vasishtar did it on his own efforts. Upasana margam.

Whereas Gopika is just a tool for Krishna’s play

“Karma kArayathi Saha”
Perumal pannikarar namakkenna?

Vishno karmAni pashyatha

We just do as per his will. Rest he will take care

Dasanudasan

on December 20, 2021

Namaskaram Swamy,

Thanks for devareers replies.

If a samanya person gets into major mishap in life and daily we hear horrible news of certain major bad incidents happening in peoples life, then we try to reason out why such big major bad incidents happen, it is not satisfactory just to say that there is no use thinking about this, Bhagavan will take care and it happens as per Bhagavans will?

Some women getting raped daily in India(or similar major incidents), what is the root-cause behind certain women getting such bad incident happening to them?  is it happening randomly or is there a major papa sins getting fructified for such people?

Though everything happens as per Bhagavans will, but why certain major incidents happen to certain people and how we can help in convincing such people to come out of such major misery and how can they turn towards Bhagavad vishayam.

There is no question b/w upasana margam v/s upeya margam. Is the question even discussing about that?

Thanking you,

Gautam

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2 on December 23, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

“Garuda Puranam” is nothing but conversation between BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA where BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA Himself answering to all questions of Garuda, details how HE has administered to “Yama Dharma Raja” to take lives of one through one of the three means: AathiDeivika, AathiBoudhika, AadhyAtmika” based on ones karmas excluding Sharanagathas. So any non-Sharanagathan goes through the routine birth-death-rebirth cycle, and Yama Kinkaraas (servants of Yama) come down to Earth from Hell when ones time is approaching, they decide on the spot how to take their lives, if old then natural death by taking their praana with Paasa kayiru, and mishaps are small percentages of their Gross method to take lives, either electric shock, or road accident or sending Kirumees (as seen in past 1.75 years and continuing as well)……so on…. A Sharanagathan getting death is dealt directly by Perumal (not by Yama Kinkaraas) since Sharanagathan are not under Yamas jurisdiction. So one can ask why Perumal doesn’t take a sharanagathan in a different way, the only answer is depending up on ones own prarabtha karma left in this Janma, one have to go through it and Perumal is the giver to the Sharanagathan, but HE reduces the intensity of Prarabtha karma due to HIS mercy and one leaves Moksha, since there should be some reason for a sharanagathan to shed their body inorder to travel through Archrardhi Margham and reach SriVaikunta for Nithya Kainkaryam.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on December 23, 2021

Thank you ElayaAlwar Swamy for devareers replies, deep-insights.

Just wanting to slightly understand little bit further.

Swamy, the intensity of the horror of the manner in which the mishaps happen like rape, accident, shocks, fire etc and the age at which it happens (like early age) as compared to old age related death etc (which happens naturally), does this imply such people had major papas (major v/s minor papas?) getting fructified due to which such major mishaps happen? Also such mishaps are pre-destined to happen in a manner in advance (as narrated by Devareer as per such major karmas, such accidents etc are deemed to happen in such a manner)?

Thanking you,

Gautam

on December 28, 2021

adiyen Ramanuja dasan
Namaskaram Gautam Swamy

Swami first Devareer ask Devareerself

In whose experience all the horrible things are happening

And what is the reality behind all these experiences

If Devareer can understand the reality behind the EXPERIENCES, Devareer will get the answers

Devareer please post all the questions that raise in Devareer out of this vichara

The above replies are perfect THEORITICAL answers

What adiyen is trying is a Practical approach

adiyen Ramanuja dasan

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0 on December 23, 2021

Related to calamities and karma in spirituality.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/corona-spiritual/ 

Enpani audio #1695 titled

“அனைவரும் சேர்ந்து ஒரே மாதிரி துன்பப்பட ஒரே மாதிரி பாவம் பண்ணியிருப்போமா”

 

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0 on December 23, 2021

Namaskaaram Swamin(s).

Following earlier threads are also of relevance to this topic, I feel.

Death by accident soon after Darshan; At least Grace could have made it differently ?

How to explain this specific Bhagawad Gita concept -As you put on fresh new clothes…?

Adiyen
Ramanujadasan.

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1 on December 25, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Rewinding to key basics needs to be understood,

1) A “Pretham” means not a dead body as widely mis-populated. Its when an Athma leaves its material (sthoola) body, it wanders in a invisible (sookshma) body called Aavi (Pretham), and the material dead body is not Pretham. So when a person dies and didnot go to Moksham, then he remains as Aavi (pretshm)

on December 25, 2021

Sorry, got cut off. Adiyen will post full description.

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2 on December 25, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Rewinding to key basics needs to be understood,

 

1) A “Pretham” means not a dead body as widely mis-populated. Its when an Athma leaves its material (sthoola) body, it wanders in a invisible (sookshma) body called Aavi (Pretham), and the material dead body is not Pretham. So when a person (non-Sharanagathan) dies and didnot go to Moksham, then he remains as Aavi (pretham) and stay in the premises of his/her relatives for a while. The Pretham watches how their relatives (son or daughter or son-in-law or daughter in-law etc…) are behaving about his/her death. If their family members are continuing their activities without a single drop of tears, watching TV and dhampathi uravu….. Primarily if his/her son or daughter is not doing “Shaanthi Parihaaram” for that Athma, then that Pretham suffers like Anything such as “my body is getting burned/cremated…oh no…oh..no…help me,……and my relatives are not even sad about my death…..So BhagavAn has given some special powers to these Aavi (Pretham) and if they CURSE their family members, it will happen (there is no stoppage to it). Like if the family members don’t do any Shaanthi/Shraadham to the demised soul, then it curses sitting outside the front entrance of the home as “LET EVERYONE IN THE FAMILY GET VYADHI (disease),; KASHTAM (sufferings)”…..it keeps cursing the family members and they will get it and their generation kids some are hirn “Special children” etc…, and no treatment/vaccine will save them. So if many in current generation are leaving their shareeram due to VYADHI caused hy Kirumees, could be due to the curse of the immediate demised parents or grand parents or someone in previous generations…its no fun, since that many NASSIVE people present inside India and outside India has deviated from following shaastram. Each individual karmas (no shastric followers) actions are taken care at massive scale at once through this kirumee incident. .So doing Shaanthi Parihaaram/Shraadham/Tharpanam is the only solution to get out of it. These stories are detailed in “PRETHA KAANDAM” of Garuda Puranam.

 

2) Another reason why one gets disease is because of their own Paapa karmas. Under Perumal adminstration, Yama Dharma Raja executes HIS orders, which in turn in executed by ChitraGupthan (Yamas Personal Assistant) who keeps a ledger of each individual s actions on Earth. He has two types of subordinate groups “
* Sharvanar (male group of athi devataas),
* Shravani (female group of athi devataas).
Shravanar and Shravani has ability of listen and watch each individuals actions on Earth even from a long distance by staying in Hell. They are very sharp minded athi devataas. They keep reporting to ChitraGuptan of ones individual actions with partiality like if one does punya karma like donating to Temple or Paapa karma by denying giving food to a hungry person,……all gets reported out on constant basis.

On other side, ChitraGuptan’s Palace is surrounded many Athi devataas palaces inorder to do service to ChitraGuptan. Each Athi devataas has specific job duties like one is specialized in Soolai Noi (Stomach infection), another for Puttru noi (leopracy), another for Fever/cold, another for cancer and so on…….

So when ChitraGuptan is looking at the ledger, depending upon ones own Paapa karma while in Earth, He calls up the necessary Athi devataas and informs them to the human a cancer or severe fever (joram) etc….

So when most percentage of humans on Earth has their own individual Paapa karmas +like dishonest, bribery, lier, cheating etc…)….then it is hard for ChitraGuptan to keep sending same or different Athi devataas to each individuals, hence the net outcome is massive implementation of Kirumee for severe joram to fix all individual at same time whobgad lot of Paapa karmas,…which is widely seen in recent years…… These are also detailed by Perumal in Garuda Puranam

There are so many methods, the above two is just a glimpse how a non-sharanagathan lifestyle is affected.

 

3) Now a question will arise, why does a devotee of “Almighty GOD” in any religion need to go through a LOCKDOWN who is already a believer of Supreme Almighty GOD, like being honest, true to others, who does Dhaanam (charity), who does services in Temples, Churches…etc… for which the answer in available in Mahabharata Kurushetra location.

*There is a story of a sparrow with it’s babies which nested on a tree right on the Kurushetra war location”. When all armies of paandavaas and kauravaas gathered in Kurushetra before the 18 day war was set to happen, the sparrow got panicked and worried about it’s babies and her best. On the first day, it’s best fell from the tree due to an arrow. So it surrendered on Almighty GOD SRIKRISHNA’s lotus feet. HE said Maa Suchaha (don’t worry I will protect you. So BhagavAn asked Arjuna to shoot an arrow and cut the big bell hanging on an Elephants neck, he asked why?, BhagavAn said just do it and Arjuna did it. The bell on Elephants neck is really heavy and big and no one can move it that easily. It fell exactly on the Sparrow’s nest which was on the ground covering the best protecting the sparrow, it’s babies and the best. After 18 day war was over SriKrishna told Arjuna to take the bell off. The sparrow flew and it’s babies were also grown up and it also flew away.

So how does this story relate to present situation of people leaving their shareeram due to kirumee and many in lockdown. Yes, everything has relation.

Kurushetra war is cleaning the Bhoomi (Swatch Bharat scheme),, reducing Bhoomi Bhaaram by taking off the Adharmis (most severe bad people’s who does bad activities) from Earth as seen massively like the Kauravaas.

But there were good people who left their shareeram during this kirumee incident, those are sacrifices as in Paandavaas (Dharmis good people) all armies sacrificed except the pandavaas as a service to Lord during HIS Kurushetra (Swatch Bharath) cleaning process.

Ok, but why we are lockdown when we are not involved in cleaning process. This is the Sparrow situation (don’t come out for 18 days and be inside the Elephants bell (like we inside our Homes) so that we are not getting stuck unnecessarily in the cleaning process while SriKrishna (Arasu globally) was conducting global cleaning of the bad.

 

Those who are destined to understand what adiyen just told will understand the purpose of present happenings. History (puranas) always repeat in full scale or partially but in a different format adapting to the practical situation.

 

Coronavirus may have wrecked a havoc across the world prompting the scientific community to hard pressed finding an antidote to it, but Sanatana Dharma sees it is an ”avatar” to fix non vegetarians.

“Corona is not a virus, but avatar for the protection of poor creatures. they have come to give the message of death and punishment to the one who eats them,”

In Gīta Chapter 11:35 Kṛṣṇa says:–

kālo’smi loka-kṣaya-kṛt pravṛddho, lokān samāhartum iha pravṛttaḥ |

I am Time, the mighty force which destroys everything, fully Manifesting Myself, I am here engaged in destroying the worlds.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on December 28, 2021

adiyen Ramanuja dasan
Namaskaram ElayaAlwar Swami

Swami told

“Corona is not a virus, but avatar for the protection of poor creatures. they have come to give the message of death and punishment to the one who eats them,”

Swami is death a punishment?

Death is Reward Swami – gate way to Vaikundam

Death is Peace
Death is noble silence

And Swami many vegans succumbed to corona virus

And many non vegetarians survived

So corona as avatar is correct

But corona has given Peaceful painless death to many sufferers

Many Cancer patients who were waiting for a painful event were relieved peacefully

Actually there is nothing called as death

Swami shamikkanum if adiyen is wrong

adiyen Ramanuja dasan

on December 28, 2021

Also Swami

The analogy of the sparrow

SRI KRISHNA has actually not done the “best” to the sparrow

“Best” thing will be killing the bodies of the birds and giving Sri Vaikundam

That too Death by the hands of a Complete Avatar is the Best thing one can get

SRI KRISHNA has given what the sparrow desired for

Desire to experience Samsara

Same thing can be applied to covid pandamic

Those have survived are still having the desire for Samsara

Those who died by the hands of avatar like corona virus and reached Vaikundam are the greatest

A person being a non vegetarian or vegetarian is the choice of Peruman

It none of the business of us to tell that such things are wrong and so one so will be punished

IT is the right of Peruman

Better to mind ourselves

shamikkanum Swamy is adiyen told wrong

adiyen Ramanuja dasan

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0 on January 4, 2022

A very short talk by Sri. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy, titled “Bhagawan isn’t the cause of ills – He only corrects wrongdoing”, related to present pandemic condition..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fVZyi7kY0A

 

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0 on January 29, 2022

I personally don’t believe வாளால் அறுத்து சுடினும்

Perumal means kaapaathanum.

Yarukaaga loka vyavahram nadanthindrukkar?

Avar kapathala na taru kapathuva?

Life la mishap Vara kudathu

It means Perumal failed in his duty according to me.

Apuram nambaravanukkum nambaravanukkum enna vidhyasam?

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0 on January 29, 2022

Why MTC bus ran over my father? Idhukka Ivar koilkku nadanthu nadanthu vandhaar?

Adhukkum vaalaal aruththu chudinum dhana?

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